HC Deb 08 August 1901 vol 99 cc143-9

3. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £928,342, be granted to His Majesty, to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1902, for Expenditure in respect of the following Services included in Class II. of the Estimates for Civil Services, viz.:—

£
1. House of Lords, Offices 4,761
2. House of Commons, Offices 13,100
£
5. Foreign Office 47,076
7A. Privy Seal Office 1,920
8. Board of Trade 132,328
9. Mercantile Marine Services 65,769
10. Bankruptcy Department of the Board of Trade 5
11. Board of Agriculture 26,094
13. Civil Service Commission 26,625
14. Exchequer and Audit Department 38,656
23. Stationery and Printing 368,037
24. Office of Woods, etc. 14,014
26. Secret Service 25,000
Scotland.
27. Office of Secretary for Scotland 7,954
28. Fishery Board 10,545
29. Lunacy Commission 3,604
30. Registrar General's Office 5,473
31. Local Government Board 8,778
Ireland.
32. Lord Lieutenant's Household 2,813
33. Chief Secretary's Offices, etc. 9,676
34. Department of Agriculture 70,806
35. Charitable Donations and Bequests Office 963
37. Public Record Office 3,242
38. Public Works Offices 19,940
39. Registrar General's Office 10,278
40. Valuation and Boundary Survey 10,885
£928,342

MR. DILLON

said that there was nothing in the new rule directing the Chairman to put the question in a different form from that which had been adopted in the past. The practice had been to name the services for which the money was required, and he contended that the Chairman was bound to continue to do so. He had asked for all the services contained in Class II., whereas Votes 3 and 4 had been fully voted.

*THE CHAIRMAN

I fail to see how I have contravened the rule in any way. The rule directs that I must put the question

with regard to the total amount of the Votes outstanding in each class.

MR. DILLON

said the rule referred to the granting of Votes "for the services defined in the class."

*THE CHAIRMAN

The services are defined in the class. Then the outstanding Votes in that class are those which have not already been voted. The hon. Member has said that Votes 3 and 4 of Class II. have already been voted. They are not included in the sum proposed to be now voted, because they are not outstanding Votes.

MR. DILLON

said there was nothing in the wording of the new rule to authorise an alteration in the method of putting the question.

*THE CHAIRMAN

This procedure is quite new. I fail to see how I am contravening the rule in any way. If I were to read out each separate Vote, it seems to me I would be contravening the rule. What I have to put is the total Vote.

DR. AMBROSE (Mayo, W.)

I understood you to say what was your interpretation of the rule. Is it for the Chairman to interpret the rule?

*THE CHAIRMAN

That is what he is here for.

The Committee divided:—Ayes, 250; Noes, 144. (Division List No. 423.)

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