HC Deb 02 July 1840 vol 55 cc371-3

Sir P. Egerton moved the third reading of the Weaver Churches Bill.

Mr. Thornley

begged to move the amendment of which he had given notice, namely, That a Select Committee be appointed to inquire into the state of the river Weaver and Weston canal, and of the quantity and description of traffic thereon; also, of the amount of tonnage collected, and the application thereof, with the view to ascertain what reduction of toll can be made for the benefit of the public, and to report thereon to the House; and that the Weaver Churches Bill be not proceeded with until the Committee has made its report. The tolls upon this navigation were already excessive, and if the House did not interfere they would go on increasing in proportion as the commerce of the country increased. If the tolls were more than sufficient to support the expenses of the navigation, surely they ought to be reduced, instead of being divested as this bill proposed to divest them, to the furtherance of an object with which this navigation had no connexion. He hoped the House would agree to the amendment which he had proposed.

Mr. T. Egerton

begged to remind the House, that the tax for navigating this canal and river, about which so much was said, was only a farthing a mile.

Mr. Hume

said, that this bill involved a principle of the greatest importance to every county in England. He objected to the application of county funds to the building of churches. The Act establishing the canal provided, that the surplus revenue of this navigation should be appropriated to the repair of highways and bridges, and why, he wished to know, should that object be now departed from? Such a departure was a violation of the law, to which he for one would not be a party. He thought, that in a matter of such national importance it was the duty of the government to interfere.

Mr. Hindley

said, that this bill came before the House in the shape of a private bill, but it was a bill involving matter of the greatest public importance. He hoped the House would allow the bill to be referred to a Committee.

Mr. J. Jervis

understood there was a technical objection to his moving the clause of which he had given notice, for the remodelling of the constitution of trustees. Notice of the clause had not been deposited in the Private-bill office. Would the hon. Baronet (Sir P. Egerton) allow the third reading to be adjourned till to-morrow, so as to give an opportunity to deposit notice of the clause. ["No, no !"] Under those circumstances he begged to move, that the debate be adjourned.

Sir P. Egerton

said, that the course proposed by the hon. and learned Member for Chester was a most unusual one, and he certainly could not accede to the hon. and learned Member's suggestion.

The House divided on the question of adjournment:—Ayes 151; Noes 205: Majority 54.

Mr. J. Jervis

did not wish to offer any factious opposition to this bill, his only object being to have an opportunity of discussing the clause of which he had given notice, and which he considered to be of great importance. To give him that opportunity, he moved that the House do adjourn.

Mr. T. Egerton

said, that it was the hon. and learned Member's own fault if he had not given due notice. He saw no reason why the bill should be postponed.

The House divided on the question of adjournment:—Ayes 74; Noes 275:— Majority 201.

On the question being again put,

Sir George Grey

suggested, that the third reading of the bill should be permitted to take place, and that on the question that the bill do pass, further proceedings should be postponed in order to give his hon. Friend an opportunity of bringing up his clauses.

Lord Stanley

concurred in the sugges- tion of the right hon. Gentleman. He was sure his hon. Friend would be the last person in the world to throw technical difficulties in the way of the hon. Gentleman.

The House divided on the main question:—Ayes 201; Noes 122: Majority 79.

List of the AYES.
Acland, Sir T. D. De Horsey, S. H.
A'Court, Captain Douglas, Sir C. E.
Alford, Viscount Douro, Marquess of
Alsager, Captain Dowdeswell, W.
Arbuthnott, hon. H. Drummond, H. H.
Archdall, M. Duffield, T.
Ashley, Lord Dunbar, G.
Attwood, W. Duncombe, hon. A.
Attwood, M. Dungannon, Viscount
Bagot, hon. W. Du Pre, G.
Bailey, J., jun. East, J. B.
Baillie, Colonel Eastnor, Viscount
Baillie, H. J. Edwards, Sir J.
Baker, E. Ellis, J.
Baldwin, C. B. Estcourt, T.
Baring, hon. F. Farnham, E. B.
Baring, H. B. Feilden, W.
Barrington, Viscount Fellows, E.
Bentinck, Lord G. Fitzpatrick, J. W.
Bethell, R. Fitzroy, hon. H.
Blackburne, I. Fleming, J.
Blackstone, W. S. Forester, hon. G.
Blair, J. Fremantle, Sir T.
Blennerhasset, A; Freshfield, J. W.
Boldero, H. G. Gaskell, J. Milnes
Bradshaw, J. Gladstone, W. E.
Bramston, T. W. Glynne, Sir S. R.
Broad wood, H. Gordon, hon. Capt.
Brocklehurst, J. Gore, O. J. R.
Brooke, Sir A. B. Goulburn, rt. hon. H.
Brownrigg, S. Graham, rt. hn. Sir J.
Bruce, Lord E. Greene, T.
Bruce, C. L. C. Grimsditch, T.
Bruges, W. H. L. Hale, R. B.
Buck, L. W. Halford, H.
Buller, Sir J. Y. Hamilton, C. J. B.
Burrell, Sir C. Hamilron, Lord C.
Burroughes, H. N. Harcourt, G. S.
Canning, right hon. Sir S. Hardinge, right hon. Sir H.
Castlereagh, Viscount Hawkes, T.
Chetwynd, Major Hayes, Sir E.
Cholmondeley, hn. H. Heneage, G. W.
Chute, W. L. W. Henniker, Lord
Clerk, Sir G. Hepburn, Sir T. B.
Clive, hon. R. H. Herbert, hon. S.
Codrington, C. W. Herries, rt. hn. J. C.
Cole, hon. A. H. Hillsborough, Earl of
Colquhoun, J. C. Hinde, J. H.
Conolly, E. Hodgson, F.
Corry, hon. H. Hodgson, R.
Courtenay, P. Holmes, hon. W. A.
Cresswell, C. Holmes, W.
Cripps, J. Hope, hon. C.
Darby, G. Hope, G. W.
Darlington, Earl of Hotham, Lord
Houldsworth, T. Pigot, R.
Houstoun, G. Planta, right hon. J.
Hughes, W. B. Polhill, F.
Hurt, F. Pringle, A.
Ingestrie, Viscount Pusey, P.
Inglis, Sir R. H. Rae, right hon. Sir W.
Irton, S. Reid, Sir J. R.
Irving, J. Richards, R.
Jackson, Sergeant Round, C. G.
Jermyn, Earl Round, J.
Jones, Captain Rushbrooke, Colonel
Kelly, F. Rushout, G.
Kerrison, Sir E. Sanderson, R.
Knight, H. G. Sandon, Viscount
Knightley, Sir C. Scarlett, hon. J. Y.
Lefroy, right hon. T. Shaw, right hon. F.
Lennox, Lord A. Sheppard, T.
Lincoln, Earl of Shirley, E. J.
Litton, E. Sibthorp, Colonel
Lockhart, A. M. Smith, A.
Long, W. Smyth, Sir G. H.
Lowther, J. H. Spry, Sir S. T.
Lygon, hon. General Stanley, Lord
Mackenzie, T. Stewart, J.
Mackenzie, W. F. Sturt, H. C.
Mackinnon, W. A. Teignmouth, Lord
Mahon, Viscount Tennent, J. E.
Manners, Lord C. S. Thesiger, F.
Mathew, G. B. Thornhill, G.
Maunsell, T. P. Tollemache, F. J.
Miller, W. H. Trench, Sir F.
Mordaunt, Sir J. Trevor, hon. G. R.
Morgan, C. M. R. Turner, E.
Neeld, J. Vere, Sir C. B.
Neeld, J. Verner, Colonel
Norreys, Lord Vernon, G. H.
Northland, Lord Villiers, Viscount
Ossulston, Lord Walsh, Sir J.
Owen, Sir J. Wilbraham, G.
Packe, C. W. Williams, R.
Palmer, G. Wood, Colonel
Parker, M. Wynn, rt. hon. C. W.
Parker, R. T. Young, J.
Parker, T. A. W. Young, Sir W.
Patten, J. W.
Pemberton, T. Egerton, Sir P.
Perceval, Colonel Egerton, T.
List of the NOES.
Adam, Admiral Busfeild, W.
Alston, R. Byng, G.
Anson, hon. Col. Callaghan, D.
Bainbridge, E. T. Campbell, W. F.
Barnard, E. G. Cave, R. O.
Barry, G. S. Chapman, Sir M.L. C.
Berkeley, hon. C. Clive, E. B.
Bewes, T. Corbally, M. E.
Blake, M. J. Crompton, Sir S.
Blake, W. J. Denison, W. J.
Bodkin, J. J. D'Eyncourt, right hon. C. T.
Bowes, J.
Bridgeman, H. Duncan, Viscount
Brodie, W. B. Duncombe, T.
Brotherton, J. Dundas, Sir R.
Bryan, G. Easthope, J.
Buller, E. Elliot, hon. J. E.
Ellice, E. Pigot, D. R.
Erie, W. Ponsonby, hon. J.
Evans, Sir De L. Power, J.
Evans, G. Rawdon, Col. J. D.
Ewart, W. Redington, T. N.
Fielden, J. Rice, E. R.
Fitzroy, Lord C. Roche, E. B.
Fleetwood, Sir P. H. Roche, W.
Fort, J. Rundle, J.
Goddard, A. Rutherfurd, rt. hn. A.
Gordon, R. Salwey, Colonel
Grey, rt. hon. Sir C. Scholefield, J.
Guest, Sir J. Scrope, G. P.
Hall, Sir B. Sheil, rt. hon. R. L.
Hawkins, J. H. Smith, B.
Hill, Lord A. M. C. Somers, J. P.
Hindley, C. Somerville, Sir W. M.
Hobhouse, T. B. Standish, C.
Hodges, T. L. Stanley, hon. W. O.
Horsman, E. Stansfield, W. R.
Howard, F. J. Stuart, Lord J.
Hume, J. Stock, Dr.
Hutt, W. Strangways, hon. J.
Hutton, R. Strickland, Sir G.
Jervis, J. Strutt, E.
Lambton, H. Style, Sir C.
Langdale, hon. C. Tancred, H. W.
Lister, E. C. Tavistock, Marq. of
Lushington, C. Troubridge, Sir E. T.
Lushington, rt. hn. S. Vigors, N. A.
Lynch, A. H. Villiers, hon. C. P.
Mactaggart, J. Vivian, J. H.
Marsland, H. Wakley, T.
Martin, J. Walker, R.
Maule, hon. F. Wall, C. B.
Muntz, G. F. Warburton, H.
Murray, A. White, A.
O'Brien, C. Williams, W.
O'Connell, D. Wood, G. W.
O'Connell, J. Wood, B.
O'Connell, M. J. Worsley, Lord
O'Connell, M. Wyse, T.
O'Ferrall, R. M. Yates, J. A.
Oswald, J. TELLERS.
Philips, G. R. Hawes, B.
Phillpotts, J. Thornely, T.

Bill read a third time.

Further proceedings adjourned.