HC Deb 06 August 1840 vol 55 cc1361-3

On the motion of Lord John Russell, this bill was read a third time.

On the motion that the bill do pass, after various amendments had been made,

Mr. Estcourt moved the insertion in the first clause of words to the effect of requiring that notice should be given to the parents or guardians of infants, in whose case it was proposed that the bill should come into operation.

Lord John Russell

did not think that any advantage would be derived from the insertion of these words. It would be best to leave the entire power in the hands of the Lord Chancellor.

Lord Granville

Somerset supported the amendment, which he thought contained a most necessary provision.

The Attorney-General

in case of a division, would have no hesitation in giving his vote against the amendment. The effect of it would be to convey an intimation to the Lord Chancellor that he must hear both sides before he came to a decision.

The House divided on the amendment: Ayes 12; Noes 53:—Majority 41.

List of the AYES.
Aglionby, H. A. Langdale, hon. C.
Baldwin, C. B. Polhill, F.
Botfield, B. Somerset, Lord G.
Broadley, H. Trotter, J.
Courtenay, P.
Douglas, Sir C. E. TELLERS.
Freshfield, J. W. Briscoe, J. I.
Irton, S. Estcourt, T.
List of the NOES.
Adam, Admiral Moreton, hon. A. H.
Alston, R. Morpeth, Viscount
Baring, rt. hn. F. T. Morris, D.
Barnard, E. G. Nicholl, J.
Bernal, R. Oswald, J.
Bowes, J. Palmerston, Viscount
Broadwood, H. Pryme, G.
Bryan, G. Rice, E. R.
Campbell, Sir J. Richards, R.
Denison, W. J. Russell, Lord J.
Duncombe, T. Salwey, Colonel
Elliot, hon. J. E. Seymour, Lord
Euston, Earl of Sheil, rt. hon. R. L.
Fazakerley, J. N. Sheppard, T.
Grey, rt. hon. Sir C. Smith, B.
Hawes, B. Stanley, hon. E. J.
Hector, C. J. Stock, Doctor
Hobhouse, rt. hn. Sir J. Style, Sir C.
Hobhouse, T. B. Thornely, T.
Hoskins, K. Townley, R. G.
Hume, J. Troubridge, Sir E. T.
Labouchere, rt. hn. H. Vigors, N. A.
Leader, J. T. Warburton, H.
Lushington, C. Wood, B.
Lushington, rt. hn. S. Yates, J. A.
Lynch, A. H. TELLERS.
Macaulay, rt.hn. T. B. Parker, J.
Maule, hon. F. Tufnell, H.

Mr. Langdale moved, "in line 17, after the word ' direct,' to insert' regard being always had to the religious creed of such infant, or to that of the parents or surviving parent of such infant.'"

Lord John Russell

thought the words might create considerable difficulty, and opposed their insertion.

Mr. Langdale

pointed out, that the Lord Chancellor had to direct the education, religious as well as otherwise, of the child, and thought that the clause was highly necessary. The refusal to adopt such a provision would be in direct contravention of the first principles of toleration, and if the noble Lord persevered in his opposition to the amendment, he should feel it to be his duty in the next Session of Parliament, again to bring the same subject under consideration.

Mr. T. B. Estcourt

thought, that it was highly requisite that such an amendment should be introduced, and said that he should have great satisfaction in giving his vote in favour of the motion.

Mr. Aglionby

would be well satisfied to find that the amendment was adopted. He had supported the bill throughout as a humane measure, but he thought that it would be incomplete without such a provision.

The House divided:—Ayes 28; Noes 29:—Majority 1.

List of the AYES.
Aglionby, H. A. Lushington, C.
Barnard, E. G. Lynch, A. H.
Bowes, J. Polhill, F.
Broadley, H. Pryme, G.
Broadwood, H. Richards, R.
Bryan, G. Salwey, Colonel
Courtenay, P. Sheppard, T.
Douglas, Sir C. E. Thornley, T.
Duncombe, T. Townley, R. G.
Eliot, hon. J. E. Trotter, J.
Estcourt, T. Vigors, N. A.
Evans, Sir De L. Yates, J. A.
Ewart, W.
Irton, S. Langdale, hon. C.
Leader, J. T. Briscoe, J. I.
List of the NOES.
Adam, Admiral Maule, hon. F.
Alston, R. Morris, D.
Baldwin, C. B. Muskett, G. A.
Burrell, Sir C. Nicholl, J.
Euston, Earl of Oswald, J,
Fazakerley, J. N. Palmerston, Viscount
Grey, rt. hn, Sir C. Parker, J.
Heathcote, G. J. Price, Sir R.
Hector, C. J. Rice, E. R.
Hobhouse, rt. hn. Sir J. Russell, Lord J.
Hobhouse, T. B. Smith, B.
Lushington, rt, hn. S. Stock, Dr.
Style, Sir C. Wood, B.
Troubridge, Sir E. T. TELLERS.
Tufnell, H. Hawes, B.
Warburton, H. Clay, W.
Mr. Langdale

declared, that after the division which had just taken place, and which by a majority of one struck a heavy blow at religious liberty, he should feel it to be his duty to divide the House against the passing of the bill.

The House divided:—Ayes 49; Noes 9:—Majority 40.

List of the AYES.
Adam, Admiral Muskett, G. A.
Aglionby, H. A. Nicholl, J.
Alston, R. Oswald, J.
Baldwin, C. B. Palmerston, Viscount
Baring, rt. hn. F. T. Pryme, G.
Barnard, E. G. Rice, E. R.
Bernal, R. Richards, R.
Bowes, J. Russell, Lord J.
Broadley, H. Salwey, Colonel
Burrell, Sir C. Shaw, rt. hon. F.
Campbell, Sir J. Sheppard, T.
Clay, W. Smith, B.
Duncombe, T. Stanley, hon. E. J.
Elliot, hon. J. E. Stock, Doctor
Euston, Earl of Style, Sir C.
Fazakerley, J. N. Thornley, T.
Grey, rt. hon. Sir C. Townley, R. G.
Hawes, B. Trotter, J.
Heathcote, G. J. Troubridge, Sir E. T.
Hector, C. J. Vigors, N. A.
Hobhouse, rt. hn. Sir J. Warburton, H.
Hobhouse, T. B. Wood, B.
Hume, J. Yates, J. A.
Lushington, rt. hn. S. TELLERS.
Maule, rt. hon. F. Parker, J.
Morris, D. Tufnell, H.
List of the NOES.
Bryan, G. Leader, J. T.
Courtenay, P. Lushington, C.
Douglas, Sir C. E. Polhill, F.
Estcourt, T. TELLERS.
Ewart, W. Briscoe, J. I.
Irton, S. Langdale, hon. C.

Bill passed.

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