§ The report of the Committee on the Ordnance Estimates was brought up. On the resolution, "That 43,071l. be granted for the Salaries of the Master General, &c. of the Ordnance, employed at the Tower and Pall-Mall,"
§ Mr. Humesaid, that no item the estimates displayed more clearly the profusion of ministers than that now under consideration. In 1796 the establishment cost the country 18,827l., and they had now voted for the same service, including 20,000l. for gratuities, no less than 63,071l. He concluded by moving that this item should be reduced by 15,800l., leaving a nett vote of 27,271l.
Mr. Wardsaid, that the increased amount of the item was to be ascribed to the great increase in the accounts, arising from the addition, of the Ordnance estimates of Ireland, the half-pay, the colonial accounts, &c, It was impossible even 1067 with the present establishment to keep up with those accounts; they were reducing the arrear, however, as fast as possible.
§ The House divided: For the Amendment, 72; Against it, 93. Majority 21.
| List of the Minority. | |
| Abercromby, J. | Mackintosh, sir J. |
| Bernal, R. | Milton, visc. |
| Benyon, J. | Macdonald, J. |
| Barrett, S. R. | Monck, J. B. |
| Beaumont, T. W. | Maberly, W. L. |
| Byng, G. | Martin, J. |
| Bennet, hon. H. G. | Newman, R. W. |
| Bury, lord | Newport, sir J. |
| Bright, H. | Ord, W. |
| Boughey, sir J. | Palmer, C. F. |
| Boughton, sir W. R. | Philips, G. jun. |
| Birch, T. | Phillips, G. |
| Benett, J. | Robarts, A. |
| Calcraft, J. | Ricardo, D. |
| Creevey, T. | Rumbold, E. |
| Chaloner, R. | Russell, lord W. |
| Coffin, sir I. | Scarlett, J. |
| Davies, col. | Smith, W. |
| Denman, T. | Smith, hon. R. |
| Dundas, hon. T. | Smith, R. |
| Ebrington, lord | Smyth, J. H. |
| Fergusson, sir R. | Sefton, lord |
| Grenfell, P. | Townshend, lord, C |
| Grattan, J. | Tierney, rt. hon. G. |
| Grant, J. P. | Tennyson, C. |
| Gipps, G. | Tynte, C.K. |
| Harbord, hon. E. | Taylor, M. A. |
| Hobhouse, J. C | Tavistock, lord |
| Hutchinson, hon. C. | Wood, M. |
| Haldimand, W. | Wyvill, M. |
| Hurst, H. | Webb, col. |
| Hamilton, lord A. | Western, J. C. |
| James, W. | Warre, J. |
| Johnstone, col. | Wilson, sir R. |
| King, sir J. D. | TELLERS. |
| Lushington, Dr. | Hume, J. |
| Lockhart, W. E. | Gordon, R. |
| Maberly, J. |
§ On the resolution for granting 56,000l. to defray the Incidental Charges, Ordinary Repairs, and Barrack Expenses at the Tower, and the several Forts, Garrisons, and places under the Ordnance in Great Britain, Guernsey, and Jersey, Mr. Gipps moved an amendment to reduce the grant to 34,000l.
§ Mr. Denmantrusted his hon. friend would press his amendment to a division, were it only to shew the country that at least some of their representatives were determined to do their duty.
§ The House divided: For the Amendment, 68; Against it, 94.
| List of the Minority. | |
| Allen, J. H. | Bernal, Ralph |
| Benyon, Benj. | Byng, Geo. |
| Birch, Josh. | Maberly, W. L. |
| Barrett, S. M. | Martin, John |
| Bury, viscount | Mackintosh, sir J. |
| Bright, H. | Monck, J. B. |
| Boughton, sir W. R. | Maxwell, J. |
| Bastard, C. P. | Newman, R. W. |
| Benett, John | Newport, sir J. |
| Boughey, sir J. | Ord, W. |
| Concannon, L. | Palmer, C. F. |
| Chaloner, Robt. | Phillips, G. jun. |
| Calcraft, J. | Rogers, Ed. |
| Coffin, sir I. | Russell, lord W. |
| Dundas, hon. T. | Robarts, A. |
| Duncannon, visct. | Rice, T. S. |
| Evans, W. | Rumbold, Chas. |
| Fergusson, sir R. C. | Scarlett, J. |
| Fane, John | Smith, hon. R. |
| Gordon, R. | Smith, Robt. |
| Grant, J. P. | Smith, J. |
| Grenfell, Pascoe | Smith, W. |
| Haldimand, W. | Smyth, J. H. |
| Hume, Jos. | Tennyson, C. |
| Harbord, hon. Ed. | Townshend, lord C. |
| Hurst, R. | Tierney, rt. hon. G, |
| Heron, sir Robt. | Wilson, sir R. |
| Hobhouse J. C. | Wood, ald. |
| Hutchinson, hon. C. H. | Warre, J. A. |
| Wyvill, M. | |
| Johnson, col: | Webbe, E. |
| James, W. | Western, C. C. |
| King, sir J. D. | TELLERS. |
| Lockart, J. J. | Denman, Thomas |
| Lennard, T. B. | Gipps, George. |
| Milton, visct. |
§ Amendments to several of the resolutions were also moved by Mr. Hume, and negatived without a division. On the resolution for granting 137,000l. for the Barrack Department, Mr. Bernal moved a reduction of 78,000l.
§ Mr. Humecontended, that the expense of the barrack establishment might be diminished one half. There was 18,000l. charged in London alone, half of which might be saved. As to carrying on the contracts, he should rather recommend to give them up to the contractors, than see them continued. He would readily consent to a vote for pulling the barracks down, as he conceived the greater part of them to be unnecessary.
§ The House divided: For the Amendment, 61; Against it, 104.