HC Deb 08 July 2003 vol 408 cc984-9

'(1) The Secretary of State shall establish a body to be known as a Foundation Patients' Forum—

  1. (a) for each NHS Trust which has made an application under section 4(2);
  2. (b) for each person who has been incorporated as a public benefit corporation under section 5(5).

(2) The members of the Foundation Patients' Forum are to be appointed by the Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health.

(3) Once the Foundation Patients' Forum has been established, it may do anything (including the things mentioned in subsection (4) below) which appears to it to be necessary or desirable for the purpose of preparing for effective patient and public involvement in the NHS Trust or public benefit corporation once it becomes a Foundation Trust.

(4) A Foundation Patients' Forum must—

  1. (a) monitor and review the range and operation of services provided by, or under arrangements made by, the trust for which it is established,
  2. (b) obtain the views of patients' and their carers about those matters and report on those views to the trust,
  3. (c)provide advice, and make reports and recommendations, about matters relating to the range and operation of those services to the trust,
  4. (d) make available to patients and their carers advice and information about those services,
  5. (e) in prescribed circumstances, perform any prescribed function of the trust with respect to the provision of a service affording assistance to patients and their families and carers,
  6. (f)carry out such other functions as may be prescribed.

(5) In providing advice or making recommendations under subsection (4)(c), a Foundation Patients' Forum must have regard to the views of patients and their carers.

(6) If, in the course of exercising its functions, a Foundation Patients' Forum becomes aware of any matter which in its view—

  1. (a) should be considered by a relevant overview and scrutiny committee, the Forum may refer that matter to the committee,
  2. (b) should be brought to the attention of the Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health, it may refer that matter to the Commission.

(7) Subsection (6) does not prejudice the power of a Foundation Patients' Forum to make such other representations or referrals as it thinks fit, to such persons or bodies as it thinks fit about matters arising in the course of its exercising its functions.

(8) An NHS Trust or public benefit corporation exercising its powers under sections 4(4)(b) or 5(7)(b) as the case may be shall be obliged to have regard to and take account of the reports and recommendations of the Foundation Patients' Forum.

(9) The governors and non-executive directors of the Foundation Trust shall be obliged to respond in writing to the reports and recommendations of the Foundation Patients' Forum.

(10) All the members, governors and directors of a Foundation Trust shall be obliged to have regard to and take account of the reports and recommendations of the Foundation Patients' Forum in exercising their functions within the Foundation Trust.

(11) The terms in this section shall be construed in accordance with the provisions of section 15(8) and (9) of the National Health Service Reform and Health Care Professions Act 2002 (c.17).'.—[Joan Ryan.]

Brought up, and read the First time.

Motion made, and Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:—

The House divided: Ayes 194, Noes 340.

Division No. 282] [4:48 pm
Ainsworth, Peter (ESurrey) Grayling, Chris
Allan, Richard Green, Damian (Ashford)
Amess, David Green, Matthew (Ludlow)
Ancram, rh Michael Greenway, John
Arbuthnot, rh James Grieve, Dominic
Atkinson, David (Bour'mth E) Gummer, rh John
Bacon, Richard Hague, rh William
Baker, Norman Hall, Patrick (Bedford)
Baldry, Tony Hammond, Philip
Barker, Gregory Harris, Dr. Evan (Oxford W &
Baron, John (Billericay) Abingdon)
Berth, rh A. J. Harvey, Nick
Bellingham, Henry Hawkins, Nick
Bercow, John Heald, Oliver
Beresford, Sir Paul Heathcoat-Amory, rh David
Boswell, Tim Hendry, Charles
Bottomley, Peter (Worthing W) Hoban, Mark (Fareham)
Brady, Graham Hogg, rh Douglas
Brake, Tom (Carshalton) Holmes, Paul
Brazier, Julian Horarn, John (Orpington)
Breed, Colin Howard, rh Michael
Browning, Mrs Angela Howarth, Gerald (Aldershot)
Bruce, Malcolm Hunter, Andrew
Burnett, John Jack, rh Michael
Burns, Simon Jackson, Robert (Wantage)
Burnside, David Jenkin, Bernard
Burstow, Paul Johnson, Boris (Henley)
Butterfill, John Keetch, Paul
Cable, Dr. Vincent Kennedy, rh Charles (Ross Skye &
Carton, Mrs Patsy Inverness)
Cameron, David Key, Robert (Salisbury)
Campbell, Gregory (E Lond'y) Kirkbride, Miss Julie
Campbell, rh Menzies (NE Fife) Kirkwood, Sir Archy
Carmichael, Alistair Knight, rh Greg (E Yorkshire)
Cash, William Laing, Mrs Eleanor
Chapman, Sir Sydney (Chipping Lait, Mrs Jacqui
Barnet) Lamb, Norman
Chope, Christopher Lansley, Andrew
Clappison, James Laws, David (Yeovil)
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Leigh, Edward
Collins, Tim Letwin, rh Oliver
Cormack, Sir Patrick Lewis, Dr. Julian (New Forest E)
Cran, James (Beverley) Liddell-Grainger, Ian
Davey, Edward (Kingston) Lidington, David
Davis, rh David (Haltemprice & Lilley, rh Peter
Howden) Llwyd, Elfyn
Dodds, Nigel Loughton, Tim
Donaldson, Jeffrey M. Luff, Peter (M-Worcs)
Doughty, Sue Mackay, rh Andrew
Duncan, Alan (Rutland) Maclean, rh David
Duncan Smith, rh lain McLoughlin, Patrick
Evans, Nigel Malins, Humfrey
Ewing, Annabelle Maples, John
Fabricant, Michael Marsden, Paul (Shrewsbury &
Fallon, Michael Atcham)
Field, Mark (Cities of London & Mates, Michael
Westminster) Maude, rh Francis
Flight, Howard May, Mrs Theresa
Forth, rh Eric Mercer, Patrick
Foster, Don (Bath) Mitchell, Andrew (Sutton
Fox, Dr. Liam Coldfield)
Francois, Mark Moore, Michael
Gale, Roger (N Thanet) Moss, Malcolm
Garnier, Edward Murrison, Dr. Andrew
George, Andrew (St. Ives) Oaten, Mark (Winchester)
Gidley, Sandra O'Brien, Stephen (Eddisbury)
Gillan, Mrs Cheryl Öpik, Lembit
Gray, James (N Wilts) Osborne, George (Tatton)
Ottaway, Richard Spink, Bob (Castle Point)
Page, Richard Spring, Richard
Paice, James Streeter, Gary
Paisley, Rev. Ian Stunell, Andrew
Paterson, Owen Swire, Hugo (E Devon)
Pickles, Eric Syms, Robert
Portillo, rh Michael Tapsell, Sir Peter
Price, Adam (E Carmarthen & Taylor, Ian (Esher)
Dinefwr) Taylor, John (Solihull)
Prisk, Mark (Hertford) Taylor, Dr. Richard (Wyre F)
Pugh, Dr. John Taylor, Sir Teddy
Randall, John Thomas, Simon (Ceredigion)
Redwood, rh John Thurso, John
Reid, Alan (Argyll & Bute) Tongs, Dr. Jenny
Bendel, David Tredinnick, David
Robathan, Andrew Turner, Andrew (Isle of Wight)
Robertson, Angus (Moray) Tyler, Paul (N Cornwall)
Robertson, Laurence (Tewk'b'ry) Tyrie, Andrew
Robinson, Mrs Iris (Strangford) Waterson, Nigel
Robinson, Peter (Belfast E) Watkinson, Angela
Roe, Mrs Marion Steve (Northavon)
Rosindell, Andrew Weir, Michael
Ruffley, David Wilkinson, John
Ruffell, Bob (Colchester) Willetts, David
Salmond, Alex Williams, Hywel (Caernarfon)
Sanders, Adrian Williams, Roger (Brecon)
Selous, Andrew Wilshire, David
Shephard, rh Mrs Gillian Winterton, Sir Nicholas
Shepherd, Richard (Macclesfield)
Simmonds, Mark Wishart, Pete
Simpson, Keith (M-Norfolk) Young, rh Sir George
Smyth, Rev. Martin (Belfast S)
Soames, Nicholas Tellers for the Ayes:
Spelman, Mrs Caroline Mrs. Annette L. Brooke and
Spicer, Sir Michael Sir Robert Smith
Abbott, Ms Diane Browne, Desmond
Adams, Irene (Paisley N) Bryant, Chris
Ainger, Nick Buck. Ms Karen
Ainsworth, Bob (Cov'try NE) Burden, Richard
Alexander, Douglas Burgon, Colin
Allen, Graham Burnham, Andy
Anderson, Janet (Rossendale & Caborn, rh Richard
Darwen) Cairns, David
Armstrong, rh Ms Hilary Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth)
Atkins, Charlotte Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge)
Austin, John Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V)
Bailey, Adrian Caplin, Ivor
Banks, Tony Casale, Roger
Barnes, Harry Cawley, Ian (Brigg)
Barron, rh Kevin Challen, Colin
Beard, Nigel Chapman, Ben (Wirral S)
Beckett, rh Margaret Chaytor, David
Begg, Miss Anne Clapham, Michael
Beggs, Roy (E Antrim) Clark, Mrs Helen (Peterborough)
Benn, Hilary Clark, Dr. Lynda (Edinburgh
Bennett, Andrew Pentlands)
Benton, Joe (Bootle) Clark, Paul (Gillingham)
Berry, Roger Clarke, rh Charles (Norwich S)
Best, Harold Clarke, rh Tom (Coatbridge &
Betts, Clive Chryston)
Blackman, Liz Clarke, Tony (Northampton S)
Blears, Ms Hazel Clelland, David
Blizzard, Bob Clwyd, Ann (Cynon V)
Boateng, rh Paul Coaker, Vernon
Bradley, rh Keith (Withington) Coffey, Ms Ann
Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin) Cohen, Harry
Bradshaw, Ben Coleman, Iain
Brennan, Kevin Colman, Tony
Brown, rh Gordon (Dunfermline Connarty, Michael
E) Cook, rh Robin (Livingston)
Brown, rh Nicholas (Newcastle E Cooper, Yvette
Wallsend) Corston, Jean
Brown, Russell (Dumfries) Cousins, Jim
Cranston, Ross Hoyle, Lindsay
Crausby, David Hughes, Beverley (Stretford &
Cruddas, Jon Urmston)
Cummings, John Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N)
Cunningham, rh Dr. Jack Humble, Mrs Joan
(Copeland) Hurst, Alan (Braintree)
Cunningham, Jim (Coventry S) Hutton, rh John Cunningham, Tony (Workington) Iddon, Dr. Brian
Curtis-Thomas, Mrs Claire Ingram, rh Adam
Darling, rh Alistair lrranca-Davies, Huw
Davey, Valerie (Bristol W) Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough)
David, Wayne Jamieson, David
Davidson, Ian Johnson, Alan (Hull W)
Davies, rh Denzil (Llanelli) Johnson, Miss Melanie (Welwyn
Davies, Geraint (Croydon C) Hatfield)
Dawson, Hilton Jones, Helen (Warrington N)
Denham, rh John Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C)
Dhanda, Parmjit Jones, Kevan (N Durham)
Dobbin, Jim (Heywood) Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S)
Donohoe, Brian H. Jowell, rh Tessa
Doran, Frank Joyce, Eric (Falkirk W)
Dowd, Jim (Lewisham W) Kaufman, rh Gerald
Eagle, Angela (Wallasey) Keeble, Ms Sally
Eagle, Maria (L'pool Garston) Keen, Alan (Feltham)
Edwards, Huw Keen, Ann (Brentford)
Efford, Clive Kelly, Ruth (Bolton W)
Ellrnan, Mrs Louise Kennedy, Jane (Wavertree)
Ennis, Jeff (Barnsley E) Kidney, David
Etherington, Bill Kilfoyle, Peter
Farrelly, Paul King, Andy (Rugby)
Fitzpatrick, Jim King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green &
Fitzsimons, Mrs Lorna Bow)
Flint, Caroline Knight, Jim (S Dorset)
Flynn, Paul (Newport W) Kumar, Dr. Ashok
Follett, Barbara Ladyman, Dr. Stephen
Foster, rh Derek Lammy, David
Foster, Michael (Worcester) Lawrence, Mrs Jackie
Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings Laxton, Bob (Derby N)
& Rye) Lazarowicz, Mark
Foulkes, rh George Lepper, David
Francis, Dr. Hywel Leslie, Christopher
Gapes, Mike (Ilford S) Levitt, Tom (High Peak)
Gardiner, Barry Lewis, Ivan (Bury S)
Gerrard, Neil Liddell, rh Mrs Helen
Gibson, Dr. Ian Linton, Martin
Gilroy, Linda Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C)
Godsiff, Roger Love, Andrew
Goggins, Paul Lucas, Ian (Wrexham)
Griffiths, Jane (Reading E) McAvoy, Thomas
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) McCabe, Stephen
Grogan, John McCafferty, Chris
Hall, Mike (Weaver Vale) McCartney, rh Ian
Hanson, David McDonagh, Siobhain
Harman, rh Ms Harriet MacDonald, Calum
Harris, Tom (Glasgow Cathcart) MacDougall, John
Havard, Dai (Merthyr Tydfil & McFall, John
Rhymney) McGuire, Mrs Anne
Healey, John McIsaac, Shona
Henderson, Doug (Newcastle N) McKechin, Ann
Henderson, Ivan (Harwich) McKenna, Rosemary
Hendrick, Mark McNamara, Kevin
Hepburn, Stephen McNulty, Tony
Heppell, John MacShane, Denis
Hermon, Lady Mactaggart, Fiona
Hesford, Stephen McWalter, Tony
Heyes, David McWilliam, John
Hill, Keith (Streatham) Mahmood, Khalid
Hodge, Margaret Mahon, Mrs Alice
Hood, Jimmy (Clydesdale) Mallaber, Judy
Hoon, rh Geoffrey Mandelson, rh Peter
Hope, Phil (Corby) Mann, John (Bassetlaw)
Hopkins, Kelvin Marris, Rob (Wolverh'ton SW)
Howarth, rh Alan (Newport E) Marsden, Gordon (Blackpool S)
Howarth, George (Knowsley N & Marshall, David (Glasgow
Sefton E) Shettleston)
Howells, Dr. Kim Marshall, Jim (Leicester S)
Marshall-Andrews, Robert Simon, Sion (B'ham Erdington)
Martlew, Eric Singh, Marsha
Meale, Alan (Mansfield) Skinner, Dennis
Merron, Gillian Smith, rh Andrew (Oxford E)
Michael, rh Alun Smith, Angela (Basildon)
Milburn, rh Alan Smith, rh Chris (Islington S &
Miliband, David Finsbury)
Miller, Andrew Smith, Geraldine (Morecambe &
Moffatt, Laura Lunesdale)
Mole, Chris Smith, Jacqui (Redditch)
Moonie, Dr. Lewis Smith, John (Glamorgan)
Moran, Margaret Soley, Clive
Morley, Elliot Southworth, Helen
Morris, rh Estelle Spellar, rh John
Mountford, Kali Starkey, Dr. Phyllis
Munn, Ms Meg Steinberg, Gerry
Murphy, Denis (Wansbeck) Stevenson, George
Murphy, Jim (Eastwood) Stewart, Ian (Eccles)
Murphy, rh Paul (Torfaen) Stinchcombe, Paul
Naysmith, Dr. Doug Stoate, Dr. Howard
Norris, Dan (Wansdyke) Strang, rh Dr. Gavin
O'Brien, Bill (Normanton) Straw, rh Jack
O'Brien, Mike (N Warks) Stringer, Graham
O'Hara, Edward Sutcliffe, Gerry
O'Neill, Martin Tami, Mark (Alyn)
Osborne, Sandra (Ayr) Taylor, rh Ann (Dewsbury)
Palmer, Dr. Nick Taylor, Dari (Stockton S)
Pearson, Ian Taylor, David (NW Leics)
Perham, Linda Thomas, Gareth (Clwyd W)
Picking, Anne Thomas, Gareth (Harrow W)
Pickthall, Colin Timms, Stephen
Pike, Peter (Burnley) Todd, Mark (S Derbyshire)
Plaskitt, James Touhig, Don (IsIwyn)
Pollard, Kerry Trickett, Jon
Pond, Chris (Gravesham) Truswell, Paul
Pound, Stephen Turner, Dennis (Wolverh'ton SE)
Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham Turner, Dr. Desmond (Brighton
E) Kemptown)
Prescott, rh John Turner, Neil (Wigan)
Primarolo, rh Dawn Twigg, Stephen (Enfield)
Prosser, Gwyn Tynan, Bill (Hamilton S)
Purchase, Ken Vaz, Keith (Leicester E)
Purnell, James Vis, Dr. Rudi
Quinn, Lawrie Ward, Claire
Rammell, Bill Watson, Tom (W Bromwich E)
Rapson, Syd (Portsmouth N) Watts, David
Raynsford, rh Nick White, Brian
Reed, Andy (Loughborough) Whitehead, Dr. Alan
Reid, rh Dr. John (Hamilton N & Wicks, Malcolm
Bellshill) Williams, rh Alan (Swansea W)
Robertson, John (Glasgow Williams, Betty (Conwy)
Anniesland) Wills, Michael
Robinson, Geoffrey (Coventry Wilson, Brian
NW) Winnick, David
Roche, Mrs Barbara Wiinterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster
Rooney, Terry C)
Roy, Frank (Motherwell) Wood, Mike (Batley)
Ruane, Chris Woodward, Shaun
Ruddock, Joan Woolas, Phil
Russell, Ms Christine (City of Wray, James (Glasgow
Chester) Baillieston)
Ryan, Joan (Enfield N) Wright Anthony D. (Gt
Salter, Martin Yarmouth)
Sarwar, Mohammad Wright, David (Telford)
Savidge, Malcolm Wright, Tony (Cannock)
Sawford, Phil Wyatt, Derek
Shaw, Jonathan
Sheerman, Barry Tellers for the Noes:
Sheridan, Jim Derek Twigg and
Short, rh Clare Mr. Fraser Kemp

Question accordingly negatived.

5 pm

Mr. Simon Burns (West Chelmsford)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. As you will be aware, after the Division on amendment No. 164, the Government had their lowest majority in this Session—35. It might help the House to know that 40 Labour Scottish MPs voted with the Government to ensure that England did not have—[Interruption.]

Madam Deputy Speaker

Order. That is not a point of order for the Chair. I ruled on a similar matter earlier this afternoon.

I understand that the Minister is prepared to move amendments Nos. 233, 354, 242 to 244 and 234 and new clause 24, so I shall include them in the groups that I am about to call him to move.

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