HC Deb 21 November 2000 vol 357 cc267-72

Lord amendment: No. 61, in page 22, Line 22, at end insert—

("(3A) No order may be made under subsection (2) as a result of subsection (3)(b) Which has the effect, as respects an occasion speciefiedn in the order, of requiring more than three—quarters of the persons appointed on that occasion to be—

  1. (a) the persons who are treated as Roman Catholic; or
  2. (b) the persons who are not so treated.")

Motion made, and Question put, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.—[Mr. Ingram.]

The House divided: Ayes 293, Noes 122.

Division No. 347] [9.56 pm
AYES
Adams, Mrs Irene (Paisley N) Clwyd, Ann
Ainger, Nick Coffey, Ms Ann
Alexander, Douglas Coleman, Iain
Allan, Richard Colman, Tony
Allen, Graham Corbyn, Jeremy
Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) Corston, Jean
Armstrong, Rt Hon Ms Hilary Cotter, Brian
Ashton, Joe Cousins, Jim
Atherton, Ms Candy Cox, Tom
Atkins, Charlotte Cranston, Ross
Austin, John Crausby, David
Baker, Norman Cryer, Mrs Ann (Keighley)
Banks, Tony Cryer, John (Hornchurch)
Barnes, Harry Cummings, John
Barron, Kevin Cunningham, Rt Hon Dr Jack
Battle, John (Copeland)
Bayley, Hugh Cunningham, Jim (Cov'try S)
Beard, Nigel Curtis-Thomas, Mrs Claire
Beckett, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret Dalyell, Tam
Begg, Miss Anne Darvill, Keith
Bell, Stuart (Middlesbrough) Davey, Valerie (Bristol W)
Bennett, Andrew F Davidson, Ian
Bermingham, Gerald Davies,Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli)
Best, Harold Dawson, Hilton
Betts, Clive Dismore, Andrew
Blackman, Liz Dobbin, Jim
Blears, Ms Hazel Dobson, Rt Hon Frank
Boateng, Rt Hon Paul Donohoe, Brian H
Bradley, Keith (Withington) Doran, Frank
Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin) Dowd,Jim
Bradshaw, Ben Eagle, Maria (L'pool Garston)
Brown, Russell (Dumfries) Edwards, Huw
Browne, Desmond Etherington, Bill
Buck, Ms Karen Feam, Ronnie
Burgon, Colin Fitzpatrick, Jim
Burstow, Paul Flint, Caroline
Butler, Mrs Christine Flynn, Paul
Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth) Follett, Barbara
Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) Foster, Rt Hon Derek
Campbell, Rt Hon Menzies Foster, Michael J (Worcester)
(NE Fife) Foulkes, George
Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) Galloway, George
Campbell-Savours, Dale Gapes, Mike
Cann, Jamie Gardiner, Barry
Caplin, Ivor George, Andrew (St Ives)
Caton, Martin Gerrard, Neil
Cawsey, Ian Gibson, Dr Ian
Chapman, Ben (Wirral S) Gidley,Sandra
Chidgey, David Gilrot, Mrs Linda
Clapham, Michael Godman, Dr Norman A
Clark, Dr Lynda Godsiff, Roger
(Edinburgh Pentlands) Goggins,Paul
Clark, Paul (Gillingham) Golding, Mrs Llin
Clarke, Rt Hon Tom (Coatbridge) Gordon, Mrs Eleen
Clarke, Tony (Northampton S) Griffiths, Jane (Reading E)
Clelland, David Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Merron, Gillian
Grocott, Bruce Michael, Rt Hon Alun
Grogan, John Michie, Bill (Shefld Heeley)
Hall, Patrick (Bedford) Miller, Andrew
Hanson, David Moffatt, Laura
Harman, Rt Hon Ms Harriet Moonie, Dr Lewis
Harvey, Nick Moran, Ms Margaret
Healey, John Morgan, Ms Julie (Cardiff N)
Heath, David (Somerton & Frome) Morris, Rt Hon Ms Estelle
Henderson, Doug (Newcastle N) (B'ham Yardley)
Henderson, Ivan (Harwich) Mountford, Kali
Hepburn, Stephen Mowlam, Rt Hon Marjorie
Heppell, John Mudie, George
Hill, Keith Mullin, Chris
Hinchliffe, David Murphy, Denis (Wansbeck)
Hood, Jimmy Murphy, Rt Hon Paul (Torfaen)
Hope, Phil Naysmith, Dr Doug
Hopkins, Kelvin Norris, Dan
Howarth, George (Knowsley N) O'Breien, Bill (Normanton)
Howells, Dr Kim Olner, Bill
Hurst, Alan Öpik, Lembit
Hutton, John Organ, Mrs Diana
Iddon, Dr Brian Palmer, Dr Nick
Illsley, Eric Pearson, Lan
Ingram, Rt Hon Adam Pickthall, Colin
Jackson, Ms Glenda (Hampstead) Pike, Peter L
Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough) Plaskitt, James
Jenkins, Brian Pollard, Kerry
Johnson, Alan (Hull W & Hessle) Pond, Chris
Johnson, Miss Melanie Pope, Greg
(Welwyn Hatfield) Powell, Sir Raymond
Jones, Rt Hon Barry (Alyn) Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E)
Jones, Helen (Warrington N) Prentice, Gordon (Pendle)
Jones, Dr Lynne (Selly Oak) Purchase, Ken
Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S) Quin, Rt Hon Ms Joyce
Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham) Quinn, Lawrie
Keeble, Ms Sally Radice, Rt Hon Giles
Keen, Alan (Feltham & Heston) Reid, Rt Hon Dr John (Hamilton N)
Keen, Ann (Brentford & Isleworth) Rendal, David
Kemp, Fraser Robinson, Geoffrey (Cov'try NW)
Kennedy, Jane (Wavertree) Rooker, Rt Hon Jeff
Khabra, Piara S Ross, Emie (Dundee W)
Kidney, David Rowlands, Ted
King, Andy (Rugby & Kenilworth) Roy, Frank
King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green) Ruane, Chris
Kirkwood, Archy Ruddock, Joan
Kumar, Dr Ashok Hussell, Ms Christine (Chester)
Lawrence, Mrs Jackie Ryan, Ms Joan
Leslie, Christopher Sanders, Adrian
Levitt, Tom Sarwar, Mohammad
Liddell, Rt Hon Mrs Helen Savidge, Malcolm
Livsey, Richard Sedgemore, Brian
Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C) Sheerman, Barry
Llwyd, Elfyn Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
McAvoy, Thomas Shipley, Ms Debra
McCafferty, Ms Chris Simpson, Alan (Nottingham S)
McDonagh, Siobhain Skinner, Denis
Macdonald, Calum Smith, Rt Hon Andrew (Oxford E)
McDonnell, John Smith, Angela (Basildon)
McGrady, Eddie Smith, Miss Geraldine
McGuire, Mrs Anne (Morecambe & Lunesdale)
Mackinlay, Andrew Smith, Jacqui (Redditch)
Maclennan, Rt Hon Robert Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent)
McNamara, Kevin Smith, Sir Robert (W Ab'd'ns)
McNulty, Tony Soley, Clive
MacShane, Denis Spellar, John
McWalter, Tony Starkey, Dr Phyllis
McWilliam, John Steinberg, Gerry
Mallaber, Judy Stevenson, George
Mallon, Seamus Stewart, David (Inverness E)
Mendelson, Rt Hon Peter Stewart, Lan (Eccles)
Marsden, Gordon (Blackpool S) Stoate, Dr Howard
Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) Strang, Rt Hon Dr Gavin
Marshall-Andrews, Robert Straw, Rt Hon Jack
Martlew, Eric Stringer, Graham
Maxton, John Stuart, Ms Gisela
Stunell, Andrew Turner, Neil (Wigan)
Sutcliffe, Gerry Twigg, Derek (Halton)
Taylor, Rt Hon Mrs Ann Twigg, Stephen (Enfield)
(Dewsbury) Tyler, Paul
Taylor, David (NW Leics) Walley, Ms Joan
Taylor, Matthew (Truro) Ward, Ms Clarie
Temple-Morris, Peter Wareing, Robert N
Thomas, Gareth (Clwyd W) Webb, Steve
Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W) White, Brian
Thomas, Simon (Ceredigion) Whitehead, Dr Alan
Timms, Stephen Wicks, Malcolm
Tipping, Paddy Williams, Alan W (E Carmarthen)
Todd, Mark Williams, Mrs Betty (Conwy)
Tonge, Dr Jenny Winnick, David
Touhig, Don Worthington, Tony
Trickett, Jon Wyatt, Derek
Truswell, Paul
Turner, Dennis (Wolverh'ton SE) Tellers for the Ayes:
Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown) Mr. Daivd Jamieson and
Turner, Dr George (NW Norfolk) Mr. Kevin Hughes.
NOES
Ainsworth, Peter (E Surrey) Jackson, Robert (Wantage)
Amess, David Jenkin, Bernard
Arbuthnot, Rt Hon James Key, Robert
Bercow, John Kirkbridge, Miss Julie
Beresford, Sir Paul Laing, Mrs Eleanor
Blunt, Crispin Lait, Mrs Jacqui
Body, Sir Richard Leigh, Edward
Boswell, Tim Letwin, Oliver
Bottomley, Peter (Worthing W) Lidington, David
Brady, Graham Lilley, Rt Hon Peter
Brazier, Julian Lloyd, Rt Hon Sir Peter (Fareham)
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Loughton, Tim
Browning, Mrs Angela Luff, Peter
Bruce, Ian (S Dorset) Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas
Burns, Simon McCartney, Robert (N Down)
Cash, William McCrea, Dr William
Clappison, James MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Clark, Dr Michael (Rayleigh) McIntosh, Miss Anne
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey MacKay, Rt Hon Andrew
Collins, Tim Maclean, Rt Hon David
Gran, James McLoughlin, Patrick
Curry, Rt Hon David Madel, Sir David
Davies, Quentin (Grantham) Maples, John
Davis, Rt Hon David (Haltemprice) Maude, Rt Hon Francis
Day, Stephen Mawhinney, Rt Hon Sir Brian
Donaldson, Jeffrey Moss, Malcolm
Dorrell, Rt Hon Stephen Nicholls, Patrick
Duncan Smith, Iain Norman, Archie
Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter O'Brien, Stephen (Eddisbury)
Evans, Nigel Page, Richard
Fallon, Michael Paisley, Rev Ian
Flight, Howard Pickles, Eric
Forth, Rt Hon Eric Prior, David
Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman Randall, John
Fraser, Christopher Redwood, Rt Hon John
Gale, Roger Robathan, Andrew
Gamier, Edward Robertson, Laurence
Gibb, Nick Robinson, Peter (Belfast E)
Gill, Christopher Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxbourne)
Gillan, Mrs Cheryl Ross, William (E Lond'y)
Gray, James Rowe, Andrew (Faversham)
Green, Damian Ruffley, David
Greenway, John Sayeed, Jonathan
Grieve, Dominic Shepherd, Richard
Gummer, Rt Hon John Simpson, Keith (Mid-Norfolk)
Hague, Rt Hon William Smyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S)
Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archie Soames, Nicholas
Hammond, Philip Spring, Richard
Hawkins, Nick Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John
Heald, Oliver Streeter, Gary
Heathcoat-Amory, Rt Hon David Swayne, Desmond
Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas Syms, Robert
Horam, John Tapsell, Sir Peter
Hunter, Andrew Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Taylor, Sir Teddy Wilkinson, John
Trimble, Rt Hon David Willetts, David
Tyrie, Andrew Wilshire, David
Waterson, Cecil Wilshire, Mrs Ann (Congleton)
Waterson, Nigel Yeo, Tim
Wells, Bowen
Whitney, Sir Raymond Tellers for the Noes:
Whittingdale, John Mr. William Thompson and
Widdecombe, Rt Hon Miss Ann Mr. Roy Beggs.

Question accordingly agreed to.

It being after Ten O'Clock, MR. SPEAKER Put the remaining Questions required to be put at that hour, pursuant to Order [this day].

Question put, That this House agrees withn the Lords in the remaining Lords amendments:—

The House divided: Ayes 299, Noes 81.

Division No. 348] [10.9 pm
AYES
Adams, Mrs Irene (Paisley N) Clark, Dr Lynda
Ainger, Nick (Edinburg Pentlands)
Alexander, Douglas Clark, Paul (Gillingham)
Allan, Richard Clark, Rt Hon Tom (Coatbridge)
Allen, Graham Clarke, Tony (Northampton S)
Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) Clelland, David
Armstrong, Rt Hon Ms Hilary Clwyd, Ann
Ashton, Joe Coffey, Ms Ann
Atherton, Ms Candy Coleman, Iain
Atkins, Charlotte Colman, Tony
Austin, John Connarty, Michael
Baker, Norman Corbyn, Jeremy
Banks, Tony Corston, Jean
Barnes, Harry Cotter, Brian
Barron, Kevin Cousins, Jim
Battle, John Cox, Tom
Bayley, Hugh Cranston, Ross
Beard, Nigel Crausby, David
Beckett, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret Cryer, Mrs Ann (Keighley)
Begg, Miss Anne Cryer, John (Hornchurch)
Bell, Stuart (Middlesbrough) Cummings, John
Bennett, Andrew F Cunningham, Rt Hon Dr Jack
Bermingham, Gerald (Copeland)
Best, Harold Cunningham, Jim (Cov'try S)
Betts, Clive Curtis-Thomas, Mrs Claire
Blackman, Liz Dalyell, Tam
Blears, Ms Hazel Darvill, Keith
Boateng, Rt Hon Paul Davey, Valerie (Bristol W)
Bradley, Keith (Withington) Davidson, Ian
Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin) Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli)
Bradshaw, Ben Dawson, Hilton
Brown, Russell (Dumfries) Dismore, Andrew
Browne, Desmond Dobbin, Jim
Buck, Ms Karen Dobson, Rt Hon Frank
Burgon, Colin Donohoe, Brian H
Burnett, John Doran, Frank
Burstow, Paul Eagle, Maria L'pool Garston)
Butler, Mrs Christine Edwards, Huw
Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth) Etherington, Bill
Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) Fearn, Ronnie
Campbell, Rt Hon Menzies Fitzpatrick, Jim
(NE Fife) Flint, Caroline
Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) Flynn, Paul
Campbell-Savours, Dale Follett, Barbaba
Cann, Jamie Foster, Rt Hon Derek
Caplin, Ivor Foster, Michael J (Worecester)
Caton, Martin Foulkes, George
Cawsey, Ian Galloway, George
Chapman, Ben (Wirral S) Gapes, Mike
Chidgey, David Gardiner, Barry
Clapham, Michael George, Andrew (St Lves)
Gerrard, Neil
Gibson, Dr Ian MacShane, Denis
Gidley, Sandra McWalter, Tony
Gilroy, Mrs Linda McWillam, John
Godman, Dr Norman A Mallaber, Judy
Godsiff, Roger Mallon, Seamus
Goggins, Paul Mandelson, Rt Hon Peter
Golding, Mrs Llin Marsden, Gordon (Blackpool S)
Gordon, Mrs Eileen Marshall, Jim (Leicester S)
Griffiths, Jane (Reading E) Marshall-Andrews, Robert
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) Martlew, Eric
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Maxton, John
Grogan, John Meale, Alan
Hall, Patrick (Bedford) Merron, Gillian
Hanson, David Michael, Rt Hon Alun
Harman, Rt Hon Ms Harriet Michie, Bill (Shef'ld Heeley)
Harvey, Nick Miller, Andrew
Healey, John Moffatt, Laura
Heath, David (Somerton & Frome) Moonie, Dr Lewis
Henderson, Doug (Newcastle N) Moran, Ms Margaret
Henderson, Ivan (Harwich) Morgan, Ms Julie (Cardiff N)
Hepburn, Stephen Morris, Rt Hon Ms Estelle
Heppell, John (B'ham Yardley)
Hill, Keith Mountford, Kali
Hinchliffe, David Mowlam, Rt Hon Marjorie
Hood, Jimmy Mudie, George
Hopkins, Kelvin Mullin, Chris
Howarth, George (Knowsley N) Murphy, Denis (Wamsbeck)
Howells, Dr Kim Murphy, Rt Hon Paul (Torfaen)
Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) Naysmith, Dr Doug
Hurst, Alan Norris, Dan
Hutton, John O'Brien, Bill (Normanton)
Iddon, Dr Brian Olner, Bill
Illsley, Eric Öpik, Lembit
Ingram, Rt Hon Adam Organ, Mrs Diana
Jackson, Ms Glenda (Hampstead) Palmer, Dr Nick
Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough) Pearson, Ian
Jamieson, David Pendry, Tom
Jenkins, Brian Pckthall, Colin
Johnson, Alan (Hull W & Hessle) Pike,Peter L
Johnson, Miss Melanie Plaskitt, James
(Welwyn Hatfield) Pollard, Kerry
Jones, Rt Hon Barry (Alyn) Pond, Chris
Jones, Helen (Wamngton N) Pope, Greg
Jones, Dr Lynne (Selly Oak) Powell, Sir Raymond
Jones, Marlyn (Clwyd S) Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E)
Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham) Prentice, Gordon (Pendle)
Keeble, Ms Sally Purchase, Ken
Keen, Alan (Feltham & Heston) Quin, Rt Hon Ms Joyce
Keen, Ann (Brentford & Isleworth) Quinn, Lawrie
Kemp, Fraser Radice, Rt Hon Giles
Kennedy, Jane (Wavertree) Reid, Rt Hon Dr John (Hamilton)
Khabra, Piara S Rendel, David
Kidney, David Robinson, Geoffrey (Cov'try NW)
King, Andy (Rugby & Kenilworth) Rooker, Rt Hon Jeff
King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green) Ross, Emie (Dundee W)
Kirkwood, Archy Rowlands, Ted
Kumar, Dr Ashok Roy, Frank
Lawrence, Mrs Jackie Ruane, Chris
Lepper, David Ruddock, Joan
Leslie, Christopher Russell, Ms Christine (Chester)
Levitt, Tom Ryan, Ms Joan
Liddell, Rt Hon Mrs Helen Sanders, Adrian
Livsey, Richard Sarwar, Mohammad
Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C) Savidge, Malcolm
Llwyd, Elfyn Sedgemore, Brian
McAvoy, Thomas Shipley, Ms Debra
McCafferty, Ms Chris Simpson, Alan (Nottingam S)
McDonagh, Siobhain Skinner, Dennis
Macdonald, Calum Smith, Rt Hon Andrew (Oxford)
McDonnell, John Smith, Angela (Basildon)
McFall, John Smith, Miss Geraldine
McGrady, Eddie (Morecambe & Lunesdale)
Mackinlay, Andrew Smith, Jacqui (Redditch)
Maclennan, Rt Hon Robert Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent)
McNamara, Kevin Smith, Sir Robert (W Ab'd,ns)
McNulty, Tony Soley, Clive
Spellar, John Truswell, Paul
Starkey, Dr Phyllis Turner, Dennis (Wolverhlon SE)
Steinberg, Gerry Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown)
Stevenson, George Turner, Dr George (NW Norfolk)
Stewart, David (Inverness E) Turner, Neil (Wigan)
Stewart, Ian (Eccles) Twigg, Derek (Halton)
Stoate, Dr Howard Twigg, Stephen (Enfield)
Strang, Rt Hon Dr Gavin Tyler, Paul
Straw, Rt Hon Jack Vis, Dr Rudi
Stringer, Graham Walley, Ms Joan
Stuart, Ms Gisela Ward, Ms Claire
Stunell, Andrew Wareing, Robert N
Sutcliffe, Gerry Webb, Steve
Taylor, Rt Hon Mrs Ann White, Brian
(Dewsbury) Whitehead, Dr Alan
Taylor. David (NW Leics) Wicks, Malcolm
Taylor, Matthew (Truro) Williams, Alan W (E Carmarthen)
Temple-Morris, Peter Williams, Mrs Betty (Conwy)
Thomas, Gareth (Clwyd W) Winnick, David
Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W) Winterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster C)
Thomas, Simon (Ceredigion) Worthington, Tony
Timms, Stephen Wright, Anthony D (Gt Yarmouth)
Tipping, Paddy Wright, Tony (Cannock)
Todd, Mark Wyatt, Derek
Tonge, Dr Jenny Tellers for the Ayes:
Touhig, Don Mrs. Anne McGuire and
Trickett, Jon Mr. Jim Dowd.
NOES
Amess, David McCrea, Dr William
Arbuthnot, Rt Hon James McIntosh, Miss Anne
Beggs, Roy MacKay, Rt Hon Andrew
Bercow, John Maclean, Rt Hon David
Beresford, Sir Paul McLoughlin, Patrick
Boswell, Tim Madel, Sir David
Brazier, Julian Maples, John
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Mawhinney, Rt Hon Sir Brian
Browning, Mrs Angela Nicholls, Patrick
Burns, Simon OBrien, Stephen (Eddisbury)
Clappison, James Page, Richard
Clark, Dr Michael (Rayleigh) Paisley, Rev Ian
Collins, Tim Pickles, Eric
Cran, James Prior, David
Davis, Rt Hon David (Haltemprice) Randall, John
Day, Stephen Robathan, Andrew
Donaldson, Jeffrey Robertson, Laurence
Duncan Smith, Iain Robinson, Peter (Belfast E)
Evans, Nigel Ross, William (E Londy)
Flight, Howard Rowe, Andrew (Faversham)
Forth, Rt Hon Eric Ruffley, David
Fraser, Christopher Simpson, Keith (Mid-Norfolk)
Gale, Roger Smyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S)
Gibb, Nick Soames, Nicholas
Gray, James Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John
Green, Damian Steen, Anthony
Grieve, Dominic Swayne, Desmond
Gummer, Rt Hon John Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Hammond, Philip Thompson, William
Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas Tyne, Andrew
Jackson, Robert (Wantage) Walker, Cecil
Jenkin, Bernard Waterson, Nigel
Kirkbride, Miss Julie Wells, Bowen
Lait, Mrs Jacqui Whittingdale, John
Leigh, Edward Widdecombe, Rt Hon Miss Ann
Letwin, Oliver Willetts, David
Lidington, David Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton)
Lilley, Rt Hon Peter Yeo, Tim
Lloyd, Rt Hon Sir Peter (Fareham) Young, Rt Hon Sir George
Loughton, Tim Tellers for the Noes:
Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas Mr. Peter Luff and
McCartney, Robert (N Down) Mr. Geoffrey Clifton-Brown.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Lords Amendments agreed to.