HC Deb 14 November 2000 vol 356 cc897-905

Lords amendment: No. 100, in page 41, line 34, leave out from ("subsection") to end of line 37 and insert

("(2)(d) there is inserted— (da) the prisoner is subject to the notification requirements of Part I of the Sex Offenders Act 1997;'"")

9.45 pm
Miss Widdecombe

I beg to move, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

Mr. Speaker

With this it will be convenient to take amendments (b) to (f) to the Lords amendment, and amendment (a) in lieu thereof.

Miss Widdecombe

Mr. Deputy Speaker, although—[HON. MEMBERS: "Oh!"]—I am so sorry, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to correct myself—

Mr. Speaker

Order. Perhaps by the time I have finished with this, I might have been demoted to Deputy Speaker.

Miss Widdecombe

Mr. Speaker, I add to my correction belated congratulations and hope that that will make up for my mistake.

We are content with Lords amendment No. 100, but we believe that it would be improved by our amendment (a) in lieu, or, if that is a hopeless case, by the inclusion of amendments (b) to (f).

It seems extraordinary that, both in this and in the other place, the Opposition should have met with such resistance from the Government to our proposal to exclude from home detention curfew people who have been placed on the sex offenders register. The refusal of the Home Secretary to budge until faced with defeat in another place will do little to reassure the public as to his commitment to protect them from some of the worst offenders.

The most recent statistics issued by the prisons Minister make grim reading. They give added impetus to our amendment (a), which rightly provides for the end of the disgraceful system of special early release whereby prisoners leave custody even before the halfway point of their sentence. To date, 26,609 such lucky convicts have completed their sentence in the comfort of their own homes, thanks to the generosity of the Home Secretary who solves his prison population pressures by the simple expedient of sending the prisoners home.

Among those released in that premature fashion were 58 people convicted of manslaughter; seven of attempted murder; 235 of homicide or attempted homicide; four of incitement to murder; 3,437 of wounding; 178 of assault on a police officer; 33 of cruelty to children; 4,273 of drugs offences; 162 of arson; 319 of violent disorder; and 2,487 of burglary—to name but a few. Should we, therefore, be surprised that between them that collection of not insignificant offenders has committed a further 1,003 crimes while on the scheme? That means 1,000 more people who might never have been victims but for a scheme introduced by a man who claimed to be tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime. Those statistics are merely an addition to the scores of people who are unlawfully at large and to the hundreds who have breached their conditions.

We take the victim somewhat more seriously, so although we should like to press amendment (a) to a vote, in the likely absence of success for the proposal to remove the scheme altogether and to consign it to a disgraceful history that we cannot too soon forget, we at least want to limit the application of home detention orders. Amendments (b) to (f) would do that.

Amendment (b) would exclude from eligibility for the home detention curfew scheme those convicted of assault on police officers. I remind the Minister of the statistics I cited: under the Home Secretary's scheme, 178 people who were convicted of assault on a police officer were released from prison before they were halfway through their sentence. What message does that send to our police officers? It is hardly surprising that we have problems with recruitment and retention, when the message from the Government is, "Don't worry, if you assault a police officer, you'll be getting out earlier than ever before".

Amendment (c) attempts to address what appears to be a gross inconsistency on the part of the Government. On one hand, they are proud of the fact that they managed to implement the policy on burglary—"three strikes and you're out"—introduced by my right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Folkestone and Hythe (Mr. Howard). Yet at the same time as glorying in that, they are passing a law that would make it possible for people who receive the minimum sentence for a third conviction to be released earlier than they would have been otherwise. That is a complete contradiction. It is nonsense.

Amendment (e) similarly addresses a contradiction. The Minister will be well aware that, under the immigration rules, entry into this country can be denied to people who have been convicted of crimes that can attract a sentence of 10 years or more. However, people who have been convicted of such a crime can, under the home detention curfew, be let loose in the community. We will not let people who have been convicted of such crimes into the country, but if they are convicted of them here, we will let them loose into the community.

Amendment (d) would give the court the ability to override the exercise of Executive power and it would provide for the court to be able to say that the special early release scheme would not apply to a particular offender. If the Minister has any respect for the independence of the courts, I would have thought that he would at least welcome amendment (d).

Amendment (f) endeavours to ensure transparency at the point of trial, so that it would be clear to the victim—who at the moment is bemused by the fact that the sentence served does not remotely match the sentence handed down—whether the extra early release will or will not be applied.

The home detention curfew scheme is probably the clearest possible message that the Government could send that they are soft on crime, soft on the cause of crimes and wholly indifferent to the fate of the victims who have been created by people who have been released from prison but who would not have been released but for the scheme. Therefore, those victims would not have been created but for that scheme. The Minister should accept our amendments but, in the surprising event that he decides not to do so, we shall press them to a vote.

Mr. Boateng

I urge the House to reject all the amendments and to do so unequivocally. I regret the right hon. Lady's strident tone and her complete failure to recognise that there might be another view. There is another view and it is shared by Members on all sides of the House who have a clear and unambiguous record that demonstrates their determination to see that the House deals adequately and properly with crime and offending. That fact is evidenced by the Select Committee on Home Affairs giving all-party support to the home detention curfew scheme.

Let us not forget that the hon. Member for Surrey Heath (Mr. Hawkins) put his name to an all-party report that specifically recommended the home detention scheme as providing adequate protection to the public because of the tagging element. It also made the point—a point that I reiterate—that the scheme gives prisoners an opportunity to readjust to life outside prison. That, rather than the shallow rhetoric of the right hon. Lady, is the best way to protect the public.

Miss Widdecombe

rose—

Mr. Boateng

No, the right hon. Lady has had her say. She can now listen and accept that there is another view. That is all we ask. We do not ask her to accept our view, but to recognise that another view can be rooted in concern to protect the public. That is the view shared by her hon. Friend the Member for Aldershot (Mr. Howarth) and her colleague on the Front Bench, the hon. Member for Surrey Heath. [Interruption.] It is no use the right hon. Lady denying that, because we have got the paper and the hon. Member for Surrey Heath has signed it.

Miss Widdecombe

Will the Minister now admit that my hon. Friends the Members for Aldershot (Mr. Howarth) and for Surrey Heath (Mr. Hawkins) actually said that they believed in tagging as an alternative to prison, but not as a means of early release?

Mr. Boateng

Methinks the right hon. Lady doth protest too much. I make no such admission, and the absence of the hon. Member for Surrey Heath is glaring testament to the truth of my assertions.

Mr. Bercow

Will the Minister give way?

Mr. Boateng

No, I will not. We have informed the House—[Interruption.]

Mr. Speaker

Order. Front-Bench Members seem to be getting very excited.

Mr. Boateng

rose—

Miss Widdecombe

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. [Interruption.] I do not go in for bogus points of order.

Will you confirm, Mr. Speaker, that it is a tradition of the House, even if not a binding rule, that when one Member has referred to another, especially disparagingly, he then gives way? The Minister referred to my hon. Friend the Member for Buckingham (Mr. Bercow). Should he not give way?

Mr. Speaker

Those are matters for the Member's discretion, not for the Chair.

Mr. Boateng

I made no reference whatever to the hon. Member for Buckingham (Mr. Bercow). I referred to the hon. Members for Aldershot and for Surrey Heath. For once, the name of the hon. Member for Buckingham did not come to my lips.

We have no intention of scrapping the home detention curfew scheme; it has operated highly successfully since its introduction, and we are taking measures to strengthen it still further. The proposal is concerned with statutory safeguards and public protection, and I commend it to the House.

Mr. Simon Hughes

The debate was in danger of petering out and needed resurrecting, and I am glad that we have received some encouragement.

The remarks of the right hon. Member for Maidstone and The Weald (Miss Widdecombe) were predictable because when we looked at the selection of amendments, we foresaw a rerun of the debate that took place in the Committee of the whole House, in which the Tory party attacked the home curfew and home detention schemes.

The Tories' criticism is wrong because they start from the principle that people who are sent to prison must be kept there for as long as possible, irrespective of whatever benefit there might be in releasing them.

Miss Widdecombe

indicated assent.

Mr. Hughes

The right hon. Lady agrees—such people should be imprisoned for as long as possible. It does not matter that we have one of the highest prison populations in Europe, that our prisons are full and we are having to build more, or that prison appears to have no effect on the crime figures. Putting more people inside and keeping them there longer appears to be the Tories' answer to crime and disorder. I have to tell the right hon. Lady that, as the Minister of State and the Home Secretary have said, the evidence does not support that answer.

The evidence shows that the vast majority of people who are released before the end of their sentence—always on the basis that they can be recalled if they reoffend—not only stay on the straight and narrow but start contributing to the community. They begin earning and are no longer a burden on the state, whereas it would cost a fortune to keep them in prison. Outside, they can once more pay their taxes, look after their kids and contribute to family life.

Of course, we must monitor the schemes, but the Minister was right to point out that the matter was tested by the Select Committee, which includes representatives of all parties, and there is a widespread view that we should try to reduce sentences where the risk of doing so is acceptable.

Miss Widdecombe

The hon. Gentleman seems to be easily dismissing the 1,000 victims who have resulted from the scheme. He has said that most people do not reoffend, but does he agree that a significant number do and that that should give pause for thought? If not, what would he say to the victims?

Mr. Hughes

I absolutely share the right hon. Lady's concern that, as a Parliament and as a country, we must ensure that we better look after victims. The right hon. Lady and I, together with hon. Members across the House, have sought to increase the rights of victims and the protection for victims. If we never take any risks, there is only one logical conclusion: we lock someone up—

It being Ten o'clock, further consideration of the Lords amendments stood adjourned.

Motion made, and Question put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 15 (Exempted business) That, at this day's sitting, the Criminal Justice and Court Services Bill may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour.—[Mr. Mike Hall.]

Question agreed to.

Lords amendments again considered.

Question again proposed, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

Mr. Hughes

If we take the view that we should protect victims to the maximum, we would keep offenders locked up for ever. We would never let them out. Then, of course, apart from the other people inside, there would be no victims.

In all the cases under discussion, release would take place only after a risk assessment. If, after a period of trial and experience, a judgment is made that we should adjust the measure, adjust it we must. For the right hon. Lady to argue, so early in the scheme, that we should scrap it would not only prevent many people from starting a life of law-abiding activity early, but would mean that one of the incentives for the prisoner was removed.

For the first time this evening, we will support the Government in a Division. We believe that the scheme should continue. Enlightened penal policy demands that we retain the initiative and make sure that we use it wisely. To abolish it tonight would be wrong.

Amendment proposed to the Lords amendment: (b), in line 4, at end insert— (db) the sentence is for any of the following offences—

  1. (i) an offence under section 89 of the Police Act 1996 (assaulting, obstructing or resisting a constable);
  2. (ii) an offence under section 38 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 (assault with intent to resist arrest);
  3. (iii) an offence under section 18, section 20, or section 47 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 (wounding, causing grievous bodily harm and causing actual bodily harm) committed against a constable in the execution of his duty.'.—[Miss Widdecombe.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 109, Noes 386.

Division No. 333] [10.2 pm
AYES
Ainsworth, Peter (E Surrey) Beggs, Roy
Amess, David Bercow, John
Ancram, Rt Hon Michael Blunt, Crispin
Arbuthnot, Rt Hon James Boswell, Tim
Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) Bottomley, Peter (Worthing W)
Baldry, Tony Brady, Graham
Brazier, Julian Lilley, Rt Hon Peter
Browning, Mrs Angela Lloyd, Rt Hon Sir Peter (Fareham)
Bruce, Ian (S Dorset) Loughton, Tim
Butterfill, John Luff, Peter
Cash, William MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Chapman, Sir Sydney (Chipping Barnet) McIntosh, Miss Anne
Chope, Christopher MacKay, Rt Hon Andrew
Clappison, James Maclean, Rt Hon David
Clark, Dr Michael (Rayleigh) Mates, Michael
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Mawhinney, Rt Hon Sir Brian
Collins, Tim May, Mrs Theresa
Cran, James Moss, Malcolm
Curry, Rt Hon David Nicholls, Patrick
Davis, Rt Hon David (Haltemprice) O'Brien, Stephen (Eddisbury)
Day, Stephen Ottaway, Richard
Donaldson, Jeffrey Page, Richard
Duncan, Alan Paice, James
Duncan Smith, Iain Prior, David
Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter Randall, John
Evans, Nigel Redwood, Rt Hon John
Fabricant, Michael Robathan, Andrew
Flight, Howard Robertson, Laurence
Forth, Rt Hon Eric St Aubyn, Nick
Fox, Dr Liam Sayeed, Jonathan
Fraser, Christopher Shepherd, Richard
Gale, Roger Spicer, Sir Michael
Gibb, Nick Spring, Richard
Gill, Christopher Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John
Gillan, Mrs Cheryl Steen, Anthony
Gorman, Mrs Teresa Streeter, Gary
Green, Damian Swayne, Desmond
Greenway, John Syms, Robert
Grieve, Dominic Tapsell, Sir Peter
Gummer, Rt Hon John Taylor, Ian (Esher & Walton)
Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archie Taylor, Rt Hon John D (Strangford)
Hammond, Philip Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Hawkins, Nick Townend, John
Hayes, John Tredinnick, David
Horam, John Trend, Michael
Howard, Rt Hon Michael Tyrie, Andrew
Howarth, Gerald (Aldershot) Waterson, Nigel
Jackson, Robert (Wantage) Whitney, Sir Raymond
Jenkin, Bernard Whittingdale, John
Key, Robert Widdecombe, Rt Hon Miss Ann
King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton)
Laing, Mrs Eleanor Winterton, Nicholas (Macclesfield)
Lait, Mrs Jacqui Yeo, Tim
Lansley, Andrew Tellers for the Ayes:
Letwin, Oliver Mr. Keith Simpson and
Lewis, Dr Julian (New Forest E) Mr. James Gray.
NOES
Abbott, Ms Diane Beith, Rt Hon A J
Ainger, Nick Bell, Stuart (Middlesbrough)
Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) Benn, Hilary (Leeds C)
Alexander, Douglas Bennett, Andrew F
Allan, Richard Benton, Joe
Allen, Graham Berry, Roger
Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) Betts, Clive
Anderson, Janet (Rossendale) Blackman, Liz
Armstrong, Rt Hon Ms Hilary Blears, Ms Hazel
Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy Blunkett, Rt Hon David
Ashton, Joe Boateng, Rt Hon Paul
Atherton, Ms Candy Borrow, David
Atkins, Charlotte Bradley, Keith (Withington)
Baker, Norman Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin)
Ballard, Jackie Brake, Tom
Banks, Tony Brand, Dr Peter
Barnes, Harry Breed, Colin
Barron, Kevin Brinton, Mrs Helen
Battle, John Brown, Russell (Dumfries)
Bayley, Hugh Browne, Desmond
Beard, Nigel Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon)
Beckett, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret Buck, Ms Karen
Begg, Miss Anne Burden, Richard
Burgon, Colin Foster, Rt Hon Derek
Burnett, John Foster, Don (Bath)
Burstow, Paul Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings)
Butler, Mrs Christine Foster, Michael J (Worcester)
Caborn, Rt Hon Richard Foulkes, George
Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth) George, Andrew (St Ives)
Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) George, Bruce (Walsall S)
Campbell, Rt Hon Menzies (NE Fife) Gerrard, Neil
Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) Gibson, Dr Ian
Campbell-Savours, Dale Gidley, Sandra
Caplin, Ivor Gilroy, Mrs Linda
Casale, Roger Godman, Dr Norman A
Caton, Martin Godsiff, Roger
Cawsey, Ian Goggins, Paul
Chapman, Ben (Wirral S) Golding, Mrs Llin
Chaytor, David Griffiths, Jane (Reading E)
Chidgey, David Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)
Clapham, Michael Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)
Clark, Rt Hon Dr David (S Shields) Grocott, Bruce
Clark, Paul (Gillingham) Grogan, John
Clarke, Charles (Norwich S) Hain, Peter
Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) Hall, Mike (Weaver Vale)
Clarke, Tony (Northampton S) Hall, Patrick (Bedford)
Clelland, David Hamilton, Fabian (Leeds NE)
Clwyd, Ann Hanson, David
Coaker, Vernon Harris, Dr Evan
Coffey, Ms Ann Harvey, Nick
Cohen, Harry Healey, John
Coleman, Iain Heath, David (Somerton & Frome)
Colman, Tony Henderson, Doug (Newcastle N)
Connarty, Michael Henderson, Ivan (Harwich)
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Hepburn, Stephen
Cooper, Yvette Heppell, John
Corbett, Robin Hewitt, Ms Patricia
Corston, Jean Hill, Keith
Cotter, Brian Hodge, Ms Margaret
Cousins, Jim Home Robertson, John
Cranston, Ross Hood, Jimmy
Crausby, David Hoon, Rt Hon Geoffrey
Cryer, Mrs Ann (Keighley) Hope, Phil
Cryer, John (Hornchurch) Hopkins, Kelvin
Cunningham, Rt Hon Dr Jack (Copeland) Howarth, Alan (Newport E)
Cunningham, Jim (Cov'try S) Howarth, George (Knowsley N)
Curtis-Thomas, Mrs Claire Howells, Dr Kim
Darling, Rt Hon Alistair Hoyle, Lindsay
Darvill, Keith Hughes, Ms Beverley (Stretford)
Davey, Edward (Kingston) Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N)
Davey, Valerie (Bristol W) Hughes, Simon (Southwark N)
Davidson, Ian Humble, Mrs Joan
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) Hurst, Alan
Davies, Geraint (Croydon C) Hutton, John
Dawson, Hilton Iddon, Dr Brian
Dean, Mrs Janet Illsley, Eric
Denham, John Ingram, Rt Hon Adam
Dismore, Andrew Jackson, Ms Glenda (Hampstead)
Dobbin, Jim Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough)
Dobson, Rt Hon Frank Jamieson, David
Donohoe, Brian H Jenkins, Brian
Doran, Frank Johnson, Alan (Hull W & Hessle)
Dowd, Jim Johnson, Miss Melanie (Welwyn Hatfield)
Drew, David Jones, Rt Hon Barry (Alyn)
Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Jones, Mrs Fiona (Newark)
Eagle, Angela (Wallasey) Jones, Helen (Warrington N)
Eagle, Maria (L'pool Garston) Jones, Ms Jenny (Wolverh'ton SW)
Edwards, Huw Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C)
Efford, Clive Jones, Dr Lynne (Selly Oak)
Ellman, Mrs Louise Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S)
Ennis, Jeff Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham)
Field, Rt Hon Frank Jowell, Rt Hon Ms Tessa
Fitzpatrick, Jim Keeble, Ms Sally
Fitzsimons, Mrs Lorna Keen, Alan (Feltham & Heston)
Flint, Caroline Keen, Ann (Brentford & Isleworth)
Flynn, Paul Keetch, Paul
Follett, Barbara Kemp, Fraser
Kennedy, Rt Hon Charles (Ross Skye & Inverness W) Öpik, Lembit
Kennedy, Jane (Wavertree)
Khabra, Piara S Organ, Mrs Diana
Kidney, David Osborne, Ms Sandra
Kilfoyle, Peter Palmer, Dr Nick
King, Andy (Rugby & Kenilworth) Pearson, Ian
King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green) Perham, Ms Linda
Kingham, Ms Tess Pickthall, Colin
Kirkwood, Archy Pike, Peter L
Kumar, Dr Ashok Plaskitt, James
Ladyman, Dr Stephen Pollard, Kerry
Lammy, David Pond, Chris
Lawrence, Mrs Jackie Pope, Greg
Laxton, Bob Pound, Stephen
Lepper, David Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E)
Leslie, Christopher Prentice, Gordon (Pendle)
Levitt, Tom Primarolo, Dawn
Lewis, Ivan (Bury S) Prosser, Gwyn
Linton, Martin Purchase, Ken
Livsey, Richard Quin, Rt Hon Ms Joyce
Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C) Quinn, Lawrie
Llwyd, Elfyn Rammell, Bill
Lock, David Rapson, Syd
Love, Andrew Raynsford, Nick
McAvoy, Thomas Reed, Andrew (Loughborough)
McCabe, Steve Reid, Rt Hon Dr John (Hamilton N)
McCafferty, Ms Chris Rendel, David
McDonagh, Siobhain Roche, Mrs Barbara
Macdonald, Calum Rogers, Allan
McDonnell, John Rooker, Rt Hon Jeff
McFall, John Rooney, Terry
McIsaac, Shona Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
McKenna, Mrs Rosemary Rowlands, Ted
McNamara, Kevin Roy, Frank
McNulty, Tony Ruane, Chris
MacShane, Denis Ruddock, Joan
Mactaggart, Fiona Russell, Bob (Colchester)
McWalter, Tony Russell, Ms Christine (Chester)
McWilliam, John Ryan, Ms Joan
Mahon, Mrs Alice Salter, Martin
Mallaber, Judy Sanders, Adrian
Marsden, Gordon (Blackpool S) Sarwar, Mohammad
Marsden, Paul (Shrewsbury) Savidge, Malcolm
Marshall, David (Shettleston) Sawford, Phil
Marshall-Andrews, Robert Sedgemore, Brian
Martlew, Eric Shaw, Jonathan
Meacher, Rt Hon Michael Sheerman, Barry
Merron, Gillian Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Michael, Rt Hon Alun Shipley, Ms Debra
Michie, Bill (Shef'ld Heeley) Simpson, Alan (Nottingham S)
Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll & Bute) Singh, Marsha
Miller, Andrew Skinner, Dennis
Mitchell, Austin Smith, Rt Hon Andrew (Oxford E)
Miller, Andrew Smith, Angela (Basildon)
Moffatt, Laura Smith, Miss Geraldine (Morecambe & Lunesdale)
Moonie, Dr Lewis Smith, Jacqui (Redditch)
Moore, Michael Smith, John (Glamorgan)
Moran, Ms Margaret Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent)
Morgan, Ms Julie (Cardiff N) Smith, Sir Robert (W Ab'd'ns)
Morley, Elliot Snape, Peter
Morris, Rt Hon Ms Estelle (B'ham Yardley) Soley, Clive
Mountford, Kali Southworth, Ms Helen
Mowlam, Rt Hon Marjorie Spellar, John
Mudie, George Starkey, Dr Phyllis
Mullin, Chris Steinberg, Gerry
Murphy, Denis (Wansbeck) Stevenson, George
Murphy, Jim (Eastwood) Stewart, David (Inverness E)
Murphy, Rt Hon Paul (Torfaen) Stewart, Ian (Eccles)
Naysmith, Dr Doug Stinchcombe, Paul
Norris, Dan Stoate, Dr Howard
Oaten, Mark
O'Brien, Bill (Normanton) Strang, Rt Hon Dr Gavin
O'Brien, Mike (N Warks) Straw, Rt Hon Jack
Olner, Bill Stringer, Graham
O'Neil, Martin Stuart, Ms Gisela
Stunell, Andrew Wareing, Robert N
Taylor, Rt Hon Mrs Ann(Dewsbury) Watts, David
Webb, Steve
Taylor, David (NW Leics) White, Brian
Temple-Morris, Peter Whitehead, Dr Alan
Thomas, Gareth (Clwyd W) Wicks, Malcolm
Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W) Williams, Rt Hon Alan(Swansea W)
Thomas, Simon (Ceredigion)
Timms, Stephen Williams, Alan W (E Carmarthen)
Tipping, Paddy Williams, Mrs Betty (Conwy)
Todd, Mark Willis, Phil
Tonge, Dr Jenny Wills, Michael
Touhig, Don Wilson, Brian
Trickett, Jon Winnick, David
Truswell, Paul Winterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster C)
Turner, Dennis (Wolverh'ton SE) Wood, Mike
Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown) Woodward, Shaun
Turner, Dr George (NW Norfolk) Woolas, Phil
Turner, Neil (Wigan) Worthington, Tony
Twigg, Derek (Halton) Wright, Anthony D (Gt Yarmouth)
Twigg, Stephen (Enfield) Wright, Tony (Cannock)
Tyler, Paul Wyatt, Derek
Tynan, Bill Tellers for the Noes:
Walley, Ms Joan Mrs. Anne McGuire and
Ward, Ms Claire Mr. Gerry Sutcliffe.

Question accordingly negatived.

Lords amendment No. 100 agreed to.