HC Deb 08 November 1999 vol 337 cc757-62

Lords amendment: No. 294, after clause 166, to insert the following new clause—Restrictions on contracting out certain services.—(1) For the purposes of this section, the services which are "reserved services" are those whose provision by a person would involve that person in performing or securing the performance, for the purposes of any TfL passenger rail service, of—

  1. (a) any station-operating function; or
  2. (b) any train-operating function.

(2) Transport for London shall not, without the consent of the Secretary of State, enter into or carry out any agreement under which an outside contractor is to provide or secure the provision of a reserved service for Transport for London or a subsidiary of Transport for London.

(3) Where a company which is a subsidiary of Transport for London provides or is to provide, or secures or is to secure the provision of, a reserved service for Transport for London or a subsidiary of Transport for London, Transport for London shall not, without the consent of the Secretary of State, enter into any transaction or series of transactions the result of which would be that the company

  1. (a) would cease to be a subsidiary of Transport for London; but
  2. (b) would nevertheless provide or continue to provide, or secure or continue to secure the provision of, the reserved service.

(4) Nothing in this section applies in relation to a contract of employment between an individual and Transport for London or a subsidiary of Transport for London.

(5) The Secretary of State may by order provide exceptions from subsection (2) or (3) above.

(6) Any consent of the Secretary of State under this section must be in writing and—

  1. (a) may be given in relation to any particular transaction or description of transactions; and
  2. (b) may be given subject to conditions.

(7) For the purposes of this section— station-operating function" means any of the following functions—

  1. (a) the sale or collection of tickets at stations;
  2. (b) the inspection of tickets, or the imposing of penalty fares, at or in the vicinity of a station, but otherwise than on a train;
  3. (c) the making of oral public announcements at stations;
  4. (d) the provision of information orally to members of the public at stations, otherwise than by means of public announcements;
  5. (e) any duties of staff employed on platforms at stations;
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  7. (f) any duties of staff employed at a place from which the operation of the whole or part of a station is controlled (whether or not the operation of trains is also controlled from that place);
  8. (g) any other function involved in the management or operation of a station;

"train-operating function" means any of the following functions—

  1. (a) the driving of passenger trains otherwise than within a depot;
  2. (b) any duties of guards on passenger trains;
  3. (c) the sale, collection or inspection of tickets, or the imposing of penalty fares, on passenger trains;
  4. (d) the operation of signals for controlling the movement of passenger trains otherwise than within a depot;
  5. (e) the exercise of control over the movement of passenger trains otherwise than within a depot;
  6. (f) any other function involved in the operation of passenger trains otherwise than within a depot.

(8) In this section—

(9) The Secretary of State may by order amend this section for the purpose of varying the meaning in this section of any of the following expressions—

  1. (a) "train-operating function";
  2. (b) "station-operating function";
  3. (c) "outside contractor"; or
  4. (d) "TfL passenger rail service"."

Motion made, and Question put, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.—[Mr. Dowd.]

The House divided: Ayes 311, Noes 158.

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Abbott, Ms Diane Barnes, Harry
Ainger, Nick Barron, Kevin
Alexander, Douglas Bayley, Hugh
Allen, Graham Beard, Nigel
Armstrong, Rt Hon Ms Hilary Beckett, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret
Ashton, Joe Bell, Martin (Tatton)
Atherton, Ms Candy Bell, Stuart (Middlesbrough)
Atkins, Charlotte Benn, Hilary (Leeds C)
Austin, John Benn, Rt Hon Tony (Chesterfield)
Bennett, Andrew F Flint, Caroline
Bermingham, Gerald Flynn, Paul
Berry, Roger Follett, Barbara
Betts, Clive Foster, Rt Hon Derek
Blears, Ms Hazel Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings)
Blizzard, Bob Foster, Michael J (Worcester)
Boateng, Rt Hon Paul Foulkes, George
Borrow, David Fyfe, Maria
Bradley, Keith (Withington) Gapes, Mike
Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin) Gardiner, Barry
Brinton, Mrs Helen George, Bruce (Walsall S)
Brown, Rt Hon Nick (Newcastle E) Gerrard, Neil
Brown, Russell (Dumfries) Gibson, Dr Ian
Browne, Desmond Gilroy, Mrs Linda
Buck, Ms Karen Godman, Dr Norman A
Burgon, Colin Godsiff, Roger
Butler, Mrs Christine Goggins, Paul
Byers, Rt Hon Stephen Golding, Mrs Llin
Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth) Gordon, Mrs Eileen
Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) Griffiths, Jane (Reading E)
Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)
Campbell-Savours, Dale Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)
Caplin, Ivor Grocott, Bruce
Casale, Roger Grogan, John
Caton, Martin Gunnell, John
Chaytor, David Hall, Mike (Weaver Vale)
Clapham, Michael Hall, Patrick (Bedford)
Clark, Rt Hon Dr David (S Shields) Heal, Mrs Sylvia
Clark, Dr Lynda (Edinburgh Pentlands) Healey, John
Henderson, Doug (Newcastle N)
Clark, Paul (Gillingham) Henderson, Ivan (Harwich)
Clarke, Charles (Norwich S) Hepburn, Stephen
Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) Heppell, John
Clarke, Rt Hon Tom (Coatbridge) Hesford, Stephen
Clarke, Tony (Northampton S) Hewitt, Ms Patricia
Clwyd, Ann Hill, Keith
Coaker, Vernon Hinchliffe, David
Coffey, Ms Ann Hood, Jimmy
Cohen, Harry Hoon, Rt Hon Geoffrey
Coleman, Iain Hope, Phil
Connarty, Michael Hopkins, Kelvin
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Howarth, Alan (Newport E)
Corbett, Robin Hoyle, Lindsay
Corbyn, Jeremy Hughes, Ms Beverley (Stretford)
Corston, Jean Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N)
Cousins, Jim Humble, Mrs Joan
Cox, Tom Hurst, Alan
Cranston, Ross Hutton, John
Cryer, Mrs Ann (Keighley) Iddon, Dr Brian
Cryer, John (Hornchurch) Illsley, Eric
Cummings, John Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough)
Cunliffe, Lawrence Jamieson, David
Cunningham, Jim (Cov'try S) Jenkins, Brian
Curtis-Thomas, Mrs Claire Johnson, Alan (Hull W & Hessle)
Dalyell, Tam Johnson, Miss Melanie (Welwyn Hatfield)
Darvill, Keith
Davey, Valerie (Bristol W) Jones, Mrs Fiona (Newark)
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) Jones, Helen (Warrington N)
Davies, Geraint (Croydon C) Jones, Ms Jenny (Wolverh'ton SW)
Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H)
Dean, Mrs Janet Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C)
Denham, John Jones, Dr Lynne (Selly Oak)
Dobbin, Jim Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S)
Donohoe, Brian H Jowell, Rt Hon Ms Tessa
Doran, Frank Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald
Dowd, Jim Keeble, Ms Sally
Drew, David Keen, Alan (Feltham & Heston)
Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Kelly, Ms Ruth
Eagle, Angela (Wallasey) Kemp, Fraser
Edwards, Huw Kennedy, Jane (Wavertree)
Ellman, Mrs Louise Khabra, Piara S
Etherington, Bill Kidney, David
Reid, Rt Hon Frank Kilfoyle, Peter
Fisher, Mark King, Andy (Rugby & Kenilworth)
Fitzpatrick, Jim King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green)
Fitzsimons, Lorna Kumar, Dr Ashok
Ladyman, Dr Stephen Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
Lawrence, Ms Jackie Rowlands, Ted
Laxton, Bob Roy, Frank
Leslie, Christopher Ruane, Chris
Levitt, Tom Ruddock, Joan
Lewis, Ivan (Bury S) Russell, Ms Christine (Chester)
Linton, Martin Ryan, Ms Joan
Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C) Salter, Martin
Lock, David Sarwar, Mohammad
McAvoy, Thomas Sawford, Phil
McCabe, Steve Sedgemore, Brian
McCartney, Rt Hon Ian (Makerfield) Shaw, Jonathan
Sheerman, Barry
McDonagh, Siobhain Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Macdonald, Calum Simpson, Alan (Nottingham S)
McDonnell, John Singh, Marsha
McGuire, Mrs Anne Skinner, Dennis
McIsaac, Shona Smith, Rt Hon Andrew (Oxford E)
McKenna, Mrs Rosemary Smith, Angela (Basildon)
Mackinlay, Andrew Smith, John (Glamorgan)
McNulty, Tony Southworth, Ms Helen
Mactaggart, Fiona Squire, Ms Rachel
McWalter, Tony Starkey, Dr Phyllis
McWilliam, John Steinberg, Gerry
Mahon, Mrs Alice Stewart, David (Inverness E)
Mallaber, Judy Stewart, Ian (Eccles)
Marsden, Gordon (Blackpool S) Stinchcombe, Paul
Marsden, Paul (Shrewsbury) Strang, Rt Hon Dr Gavin
Marshall, David (Shettleston) Straw, Rt Hon Jack
Marshall-Andrews, Robert Stringer, Graham
Martlew Eric
Maxton, John Stuart, Ms Gisela
Meale, Alan Sutcliffe, Gerry
Merron, Gillian Taylor, Rt Hon Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Michie, Bill (Shef'ld Heeley)
Milburn, Rt Hon Alan Taylor, Ms Dari (Stockton S)
Miller, Andrew Taylor, David (NW Leics)
Mitchell, Austin Temple-Morris, Peter
Moffatt, Laura Thomas, Gareth (Clwyd W)
Moonie, Dr Lewis Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W)
Moran, Ms Margaret Timms, Stephen
Morgan, Ms Julie (Cardiff N) Tipping, Paddy
Mountford, Kali Todd, Mark
Mudie, George Touhig, Don
Mullin, Chris Truswell, Paul
Murphy, Denis (Wansbeck) Turner, Dennis (Wolverh'ton SE)
Murphy, Jim (Eastwood) Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown)
Murphy, Rt Hon Paul (Torfaen) Turner, Dr George (NW Norfolk)
Naysmith, Dr Doug Turner, Neil (Wigan)
O'Brien, Bill (Normanton) Twigg, Derek (Halton)
O'Brien, Mike (N Warks) Twigg, Stephen (Enfield)
Olner, Bill Tynan, Bill
O'Neill, Martin Walley, Ms Joan
Organ, Mrs Diana Ward, Ms Claire
Osborne, Ms Sandra Wareing, Robert N
Palmer, Dr Nick Watts, David
Pearson, Ian White, Brian
Perham, Ms Linda Whitehead, Dr Alan
Pickthall, Colin Wicks, Malcolm
Pike, Peter L Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W)
Plaskitt, James
Pope, Greg Williams, Alan W (E Carmarthen)
Pound, Stephen v Williams, Mrs Betty (Conwy)
Powell, Sir Raymond Wills, Michael
Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E) Winnick, David
Prentice, Gordon (Pendle) Winterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster C)
Prosser, Gwyn Wise, Audrey
Purchase, Ken Wood, Mike
Quin, Rt Hon Ms Joyce Woolas, Phil
Quinn, Lawrie Worthington, Tony
Radice, Rt Hon Giles Wright, Dr Tony (Cannock)
Rammell, Bill Wyatt, Derek
Rapson, Syd
Raynsford, Nick Tellers for the Ayes:
Reed, Andrew (Loughborough) Mr. David Clelland and
Roche, Mrs Barbara Mr. Robert Ainsworth.
Allan, Richard Hunter, Andrew
Amess, David Jack, Rt Hon Michael
Ancram, Rt Hon Michael Jenkin, Bernard
Arbuthnot, Rt Hon James Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham)
Atkinson, David (Bour'mth E) Keetch, Paul
Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) Key, Robert
Baldry, Tony King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater)
Bercow, John Kirkbride, Miss Julie
Beresford, Sir Paul Kirkwood, Archy
Blunt, Crispin Lait, Mrs Jacqui
Boswell, Tim Lansley, Andrew
Bottomley, Peter (Worthing W) Leigh, Edward
Bottomley, Rt Hon Mrs Virginia Lidington, David
Brady, Graham Lilley, Rt Hon Peter
Brake, Tom Lloyd, Rt Hon Sir Peter (Fareham)
Brazier, Julian Llwyd, Elfyn
Breed, Colin Loughton, Tim
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Luff, Peter
Browning, Mrs Angela Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas
Bruce, Ian (S Dorset) MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Burns, Simon McIntosh, Miss Anne
Burstow, Paul MacKay, Rt Hon Andrew
Butterfill, John Maclean, Rt Hon David
Cable, Dr Vincent Maclennan, Rt Hon Robert
Campbell, Rt Hon Menzies (NE Fife) McLoughlin, Patrick
Madel, Sir David
Chapman, Sir Sydney (Chipping Barnet) Malins, Humfrey
Maples, John
Chidgey, David Mates, Michael
Chope, Christopher Maude, Rt Hon Francis
Clappison, James Mawhinney, Rt Hon Sir Brian
Clark, Dr Michael (Rayleigh) May, Mrs Theresa
Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Moss, Malcolm
Nicholls, Patrick
Collins, Tim O'Brien, Stephen (Eddisbury)
Colvin, Michael Ottaway, Richard
Cormack, Sir Patrick Page, Richard
Cotter, Brian Paice, James
Cran, James Paterson, Owen
Curry, Rt Hon David Pickles, Eric
Davey, Edward (Kingston) Prior, David
Davies, Quentin (Grantham) Randall, John
Davis, Rt Hon David (Haltemprice & Howden) Redwood, Rt Hon John
Rendel, David
Dorrell, Rt Hon Stephen Robathan, Andrew
Duncan, Alan Robertson, Laurence
Duncan Smith, Iain Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxbourne)
Evans, Nigel Ruffley, David
Faber, David Russell, Bob (Colchester)
Fabricant, Michael St Aubyn, Nick
Fallon, Michael Sanders, Adrian
Fearn, Ronnie Sayeed, Jonathan
Flight, Howard Shephard, Rt Hon Mrs Gillian
Forth, Rt Hon Eric Shepherd, Richard
Foster, Don (Bath) Simpson, Keith (Mid-Norfolk)
Fox, Dr Liam Soames, Nicholas
Fraser, Christopher Spelman, Mrs Caroline
Gale, Roger Spring, Richard
Garnier, Edward Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John
Gibb, Nick Streeter, Gary
Gill, Christopher Stunell, Andrew
Gray, James Swayne, Desmond
Green, Damian Syms, Robert
Greenway, John Tapsell, Sir Peter
Grieve, Dominic Taylor, Ian (Esher & Walton)
Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archie Taylor, John M (Solihull)
Hammond, Philip Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Hancock, Mike Taylor, Sir Teddy
Hawkins, Nick Townend, John
Heath, David (Somerton & Frome) Tredinnick, David
Heathcoat-Amory, Rt Hon David Trend, Michael
Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas Tyrie, Andrew
Horam, John Viggers, Peter
Howarth, Gerald (Aldershot) Wardle, Charles
Hughes, Simon (Southwark N) Waterson, Nigel
Wells, Bowen Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton)
Whitney, Sir Raymond Woodward, Shaun
Whittingdale, John Yeo, Tim
Wigley, Rt Hon Dafydd Young, Rt Hon Sir George
Wilkinson, John
Willetts, David Tellers for the Noes:
Willis, Phil Mrs. Eleanor Laing and
Wilshire, David Mr. Geoffrey Clifton-Brown.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Lords amendment agreed to.

Lords amendments Nos. 295 to 331 agreed to.

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