§ Mr. Deputy Speaker (Mr. Michael J. Martin)With this, it will be convenient to discuss Government amendment No. 2.
§ Mr. MealeDuring the Committee proceedings on the Bill, we had an excellent debate about the public's right 426 to full information about the pollution in their midst. That was in response to amendments tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent, North (Ms Walley) and by the hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Mr. Brake).
Pollution is an intrusion. For the moment, it is impossible and unrealistic to eliminate it altogether, but the least that people can expect is to be fully informed about exactly what the factory down the road is putting into their community, street and homes.
In May, we launched the Environment Agency's new pollution inventory. People now have access to up-to-date information about emissions from the installations that the agency regulates under the integrated pollution control regime. It is proving extremely popular: the inventory website is receiving an average of 700 to 800 visits a week.
It is our ambition that it should be even more informative. I know from our debate in Committee and from the correspondence that the Department has received that there is a great deal of support among Labour and Liberal Democrat Members for expanding the inventory.
The Environment Agency will shortly be consulting on extending the inventory to cover the landfill sites and sewage works that it regulates. I am pleased to announce that my Department will be consulting on the possibility of including information on emissions from the 13,000 or so installations that local authorities regulate under the local air pollution control system.
§ Mr. GreenThe Minister says that information will be gathered from the 13,000 sites regulated by local authorities. That will add another burden on those authorities, so do the Government propose to give them any money to meet the extra costs involved?
§ Mr. MealeThe hon. Gentleman and I know that Ministers, regardless of how lowly or powerful they are, cannot give such cost commitments. However, we are confident that the mechanism that is in place will allow local authorities to regulate under the local air pollution control system, and to generate the information that we require so that people can access it centrally.
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We shall not prejudge the consultation's outcome, but shall listen carefully to what industry says about costs or any other implications. The Bill contains the power to cover additional installations, but does not permit information to be gathered on energy use and the destination of waste from installations. Those matters are the subjects of amendments Nos. 1 and 2, which are enabling provisions.
Energy use is an area already crowded with policy initiatives, and we hesitate to add more without careful thought. A great deal of information will be produced because of the energy efficiency requirements of the new integrated pollution prevention and control regime. There are negotiated agreements on energy use and it is possible that carbon trading regimes may be established. It is by no means certain whether further measures for information gathering will be necessary, but it would be sensible to take the opportunity that the Bill provides to enable such information to be gathered in future.
§ Mr. GreenIs the Minister saying that the amendments are being inserted in the Bill at this late stage even though 427 the Government think that they may not be necessary? Are the Government tacking an enabling power on to the Bill without having any intention of implementing it? I may have misunderstood the Minister, but that is what he seemed to say.
§ Mr. MealeNo. The amendments are enabling amendments. It is better to include any expansion in the scope of the inventory in the Bill so that we can achieve it if possible. Expansion would be considered only after thorough consideration of the costs and benefits and after full consultation. Our key concern will be to place the minimum burden on those providing information. We would not expect businesses to have to track the journey of their waste through its multifarious stages.
We are keen to promote continued development of the pollution inventory, but at a sensible pace and after proper dialogue. Our first priority is to consult on broadening the scope to cover landfill sites, sewage works and local authority-regulated installations. We may later consider including energy and waste information. The Government are committed to modernising Britain by involving people more closely in decisions that affect their lives and by changing the culture of secrecy that has prevailed until now. Access to information about pollution is vital to a fair, modern and open society. In the United States, it has become a powerful force for environmental improvement, and the same will be true in the UK when the Bill becomes law.
§ Mr. GreenThe Minister's introduction has left me more alarmed than I was when I read the amendments. It is a shame that the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, North (Ms Walley) is not here because the amendments seem to be a partial victory for her. In Committee, she tabled a more detailed amendment proposing a long list of new obligations on firms to provide information. The Minister for the Environment instructed his troops to vote against that amendment, but said that he would consider it sympathetically. I had looked forward to hearing whether the hon. Lady would be satisfied by the Government's partial move in her direction. Perhaps the hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Mr. Brake) will tell us whether he is satisfied.
The Minister introduced a new and disturbing point in his remarks. The Government appear to be including in the Bill powers that may or may not be worth while and may or may not place onerous responsibilities on business. That flatly contradicts what the Minister for the Environment said repeatedly in Committee, which was that trying to define matters too closely on the face of a Bill such as this was bad practice and would lead to inflexibility.
The Opposition tabled various sensible amendments to tone down the powers of the Secretary of State. We were constantly told that putting such provisions on the face of the Bill would lead to inflexibility and clog up parliamentary proceedings. Having insisted on that, it is not good enough for the Government to table amendments that would do precisely the same and add new and possibly onerous burdens on business without any particular intent, or certainly any explanation of why those are urgently needed now when they were not needed during any of the previous lengthy stages in the passage of this Bill.
428 During the passage of the Bill, we discussed the necessary balance for the provision of information to enable an intelligent debate about environmental issues. The idea that the more information was provided the more likely we were to avoid some of the more hysterical debates that sometimes arise on environmental matters was certainly non-controversial on both sides of the Committee. Ministers agreed that one needed a balance and there was not simply a right to completely free information. Indeed, the Government introduced a clause to allow commercial confidentiality to be used as a reason for not providing information in certain circumstances.
When the Minister replies, I want him to consider the costs that will be put on business and, possibly, agricultural and other operators by gathering the information that is required under the amendments. Amendment No. 2 would gather information
on energy consumption and on the efficiency with which energy is used".Those will be interesting statistics and, in the long run, they will no doubt be useful. However, are we expecting everyone who runs a pig farm to gather that sort of information? While that will not be an onerous burden for big and sophisticated businesses, it could be extremely onerous for smaller businesses. It is not clear from what the Minister said that he has done any sensible cost-benefit analysis of what those provisions would involve and of the full extent of the obligations. The efficiency with which energy is used can cover a multitude of measurements. It is not clear from the Bill how much detail will need to be provided.Similarly, the Government will be entitled to information
on waste within the meaning of the regulations and on the destinations of such waste".Does that mean the immediate, the ultimate or all the intermediate destinations?Since one of our objections to the Bill throughout has been that it would give Ministers powers that are too sweeping, the amendment is a step in the wrong direction. This is the Bill at its worst. Presumably, to give some sort of sop to the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, North as I said, the Government have decided to add a little more information. They have not thought through what that will mean in practice; still less are they defining the practical effects.
The Minister has said that these are simply enabling provisions, but enabling provisions that do not appear to be based in anything concrete and do not have any particularly urgent purpose can be dangerous. It is deeply regrettable that he has introduced such an amendment at this late stage.
§ Mr. BrakeI speak in favour of the amendments that the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, North (Ms Walley) and I drafted. Obviously, I am disappointed that, in response to the question posed by the hon. Member for Ashford (Mr. Green), the Minister has not accepted the full-blown amendment, but I consider it a partial victory that the Government have taken on board some elements of that amendment. That will widen the scope of the available information about emissions, to include, as the amendment suggests, "energy consumption" and "efficiency". At a time when we are discussing climate change and the reduction of carbon dioxide, it is most important that we know those figures.
429 The amendment will help to identify waste and its destination. The Government are—or should be—pushing hard to reduce the amount of waste that is generated, and to reuse or recycle waste where possible. The information will be helpful in that respect. The information is needed and it will be used. I hoped that the amendment would receive the support of Members on both sides of the House, but that appears not to be the case. I shall support the amendment.
§ Mr. GrayI share the concern expressed by my hon. Friend the Member for Ashford (Mr. Green) about some of the implications of the amendments. They fulfil some of the primary requirements of all new Labour measures—to be centralising, to collect information and to be bureaucratic. They go a long way towards providing information that statisticians and the Office for National Statistics may find useful in some future analysis. However, they will not do much to help reduce pollution in the United Kingdom, which is, presumably, the main purpose of the Bill.
There is no upside, but the amendments seem to have some potential downsides. We are talking about quite small businesses, as I pointed out in my earlier intervention, which may be relatively unsophisticated. Some of the pig farmers and chicken farmers in my constituency will be affected by the Bill; they will face significant bureaucratic problems in making available to the Government every piece of information relating to what they have done with the products of their farms. I will not give a graphic account of those products on this occasion. As a result of the Bill, farmers, who may be on their uppers, will already be faced with some bureaucratic interference. The amendments will mean that they have to undertake more paperwork for no particular reason.
We have just debated new clause 1, which tries to put right the anomaly that 12 per cent. of all sites that should have been licensed have not been licensed. The point was made that the measure will affect relatively unsophisticated businesses, which—through no fault of their own—have apparently failed to license their site, or have failed to renew their licence. We are now discussing the establishment of a new, bureaucratic and centralised regime that will require those same businesses to produce complicated information for no purpose, apart from satisfying the curiosity of the Office for National Statistics.
There is no upside, but potentially a large downside to the amendments. In that context, I am concerned about the possible costs. Accountants and bureaucrats of all sorts will be involved. People will have to be employed—perhaps lawyers. There will be costs involved in the production of the information. More important, it is worrying that if businesses fail to provide—through some slip, or through overwork, or lack of sophistication—the information that is demanded of them, there might be penalties. What will those penalties be? In years to come, my constituents may find that, if they fail—through no fault of their own—to comply with the requirements of the Bill, they will be taken to court and penalised. That may cost them significant amounts. Unless the Minister can explain the measures more clearly than he did in his introductory remarks—which I found rather difficult to follow—it seems that they will result in considerable costs for my constituents.
430 The amendments will achieve very little. I hope that the Minister will be able to advise the House of the purpose of the amendments and of the safeguards for small businesses—especially the chicken and pig farmers in my constituency who may be affected.
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§ Mr. MealeI shall respond to hon. Members' queries, the first of which came from the hon. Member for Ashford (Mr. Green), who is leading the debate for the Opposition. He asked why we are introducing a detailed amendment at this late stage. The Bill has always allowed for the extension of the pollution inventory. The amendments respond to specific points made by hon. Members in Committee and cover information about energy and waste.
The hon. Gentleman implied that the pollution inventory simply piles extra burdens on businesses. We are discussing cases in which owners of businesses say to their neighbours, "In the interests of my business, I shall have to put this substance into your home." I accept that, to a certain extent, we tolerate that practice as the price of living and working together as a community. However, it is clearly unacceptable for the same business owners to say that it is too much of an effort for them to be courteous enough even to explain what the substance is. The pollution inventory is a fair and proper initiative which should be introduced.
§ Mr. John Gummer (Suffolk, Coastal)I am striving to understand the Minister. I agree with him in principle, so I am not being antagonistic, but if the pollution inventory is so important, why did not the Government originally include it in the Bill? I have come late to the debate, and I apologise to the House for that. [HON. MEMBERS: "Oh."] Well, when the Government table such an amendment this late in the proceedings, many hon. Members who are concerned that they should understand it have to go to a great deal of trouble to be present. Will the Minister explain why the pollution inventory is being included in the Bill so late in the proceedings if it is as important as he says?
§ Mr. MealeIt is very simple. We have responded to hon. Members from both sides of the House who urged us, in Committee, to take that action. We listened, we learned and we adopted that proposal.
I turn now to the accusation that the benefits do not justify the costs. Information about energy use could be of great benefit. For example, it could bring best practice to the fore and promote the spread of energy efficiency measures, which would cut costs for businesses and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Similarly, more information about quantities and patterns of waste disposal can only help our efforts to minimise waste, thereby saving money and improving our environment.
Any proposal to use the powers would proceed only in the light of a comprehensive cost-benefit analysis and full consultation with industry and, of course, other interested groups. As I said earlier, we shall proceed with the expansion of the inventory at a sensible pace.
§ Mr. GreenWith the leave of the House, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I shall speak again. I am impelled to do so by the Minister's non-explanation for the amendments. He 431 said simultaneously that they are tremendously important and will help to cut greenhouse gas emissions and have various other effects, which Conservative Members think desirable, and that a cost-benefit analysis will happen at some unspecified time in the future.
It is not appropriate for Ministers to come to the House with legislation and say vaguely that it will be helpful to business, increase the provision of information and benefit the environment, and then to say casually, "At some time in the future, we shall try to gather the facts that may or may not back up the assertions that we have just made."
Ministers are doing things in completely the wrong order. Not only are the amendments being introduced at a peculiarly late stage in our considerations of the Bill, but Ministers have had several weeks since the Committee proceedings to respond to the suggestions made to them, and they appear not to have gone to the trouble of gathering any facts to back up the sop that they giving to the Liberal Democrats and Labour Back Benchers.
The explanation for the amendments is inadequate, and I invite the House to vote against them.
§ Question put, That the amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 335, Noes 132.
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| Adams, Mrs Irene (Paisley N) | Burgon, Colin |
| Ainger, Nick | Burnett, John |
| Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) | Butler, Mrs Christine |
| Alexander, Douglas | Campbell, Alan (Tynemouth) |
| Allan, Richard | Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) |
| Allen, Graham | Campbell, Rt Hon Menzies (NE Fife) |
| Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) | |
| Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy | Campbell-Savours, Dale |
| Ashton, Joe | |
| Atherton, Ms Candy | Cann, Jamie |
| Austin, John | Caplin, Ivor |
| Ballard, Jackie | Casale, Roger |
| Banks, Tony | Caton, Martin |
| Barnes, Harry | Cawsey, Ian |
| Barron, Kevin | Chapman, Ben (Wirral S) |
| Bayley, Hugh | Chaytor, David |
| Beard, Nigel | Chidgey, David |
| Beith, Rt Hon A J | Clapham, Michael |
| Bell, Martin (Tatton) | Clark, Rt Hon Dr David (S Shields) |
| Bell, Stuart (Middlesbrough) | Clark, Dr Lynda (Edinburgh Pentlands) |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony (Chesterfield) | |
| Bennett, Andrew F | |
| Benton, Joe | Clark, Paul (Gillingham) |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Clarke, Charles (Norwich S) |
| Berry, Roger | Clarke, Rt Hon Tom (Coatbridge) |
| Best, Harold | Clarke, Tony (Northampton S) |
| Betts, Clive | Clelland, David |
| Blackman, Liz | Coaker, Vernon |
| Blunkett, Rt Hon David | Coffey, Ms Ann |
| Bradley, Keith (Withington) | Cohen, Harry |
| Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin) | Coleman, Iain |
| Brake, Tom | Colman, Tony |
| Brand, Dr Peter | Connarty, Michael |
| Breed, Colin | Cook, Frank (Stockton N) |
| Brinton, Mrs Helen | |
| Brown, Rt Hon Gordon(Dunfermline E) | Corbett, Robin |
| Cotter, Brian | |
| Brown, Rt Hon Nick (Newcastle E) | Cousins, Jim |
| Brown, Russell (Dumfries) | Cox, Tom |
| Browne, Desmond | Crausby, David |
| Buck, Ms Karen | Cryer, Mrs Ann (Keighley) |
| Burden, Richard | Cryer, John (Hornchurch) |
| Cummings, John | Hughes, Ms Beverley (Stretford) |
| Cunliffe, Lawrence | Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) |
| Cunningham, Rt Hon Dr Jack(Copeland) | Humble, Mrs Joan |
| Hurst, Alan | |
| Cunningham, Jim (Cov'try S) | Hutton, John |
| Darling, Rt Hon Alistair | Illsley, Eric |
| Darvill, Keith | Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough) |
| Davey, Valerie (Bristol W) | Jamieson, David |
| Davidson, Ian | Jenkins, Brian |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) | Johnson, Alan (Hull W & Hessle) |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H) | Johnson, Miss Melanie(Welwyn Hatfield) |
| Dawson, Hilton | |
| Dean, Mrs Janet | Jones, Rt Hon Barry (Alyn) |
| Dismore, Andrew | Jones, Mrs Fiona (Newark) |
| Dobbin, Jim | |
| Donohoe, Brian H | Jones, Helen (Warrington N) |
| Doran, Frank | Jones, Ms Jenny (Wolverh'ton SW) |
| Dowd, Jim | |
| Drew, David | Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C) |
| Drown, Ms Julia | Jones, Dr Lynne (Selly Oak) |
| Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth | Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S) |
| Eagle, Maria (L'pool Garston) | Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham) |
| Edwards, Huw | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald |
| Efford, Clive | Keeble, Ms Sally |
| Ellman, Mrs Louise | Keen, Alan (Feltham & Heston) |
| Ennis, Jeff | Keen, Ann (Brentford & Isleworth) |
| Etherington, Bill | Keetch, Paul |
| Fearn, Ronnie | Kelly, Ms Ruth |
| Field, Rt Hon Frank | Kemp, Fraser |
| Fisher, Mark | Khabra, Piara S |
| Fitzpatrick, Jim | Kidney, David |
| Fitzsimons, Lorna | King, Andy (Rugby & Kenilworth) |
| Flint, Caroline | King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green) |
| Flynn, Paul | Kumar, Dr Ashok |
| Follett, Barbara | Ladyman, Dr Stephen |
| Foster, Rt Hon Derek | Lawrence, Ms Jackie |
| Foster, Don (Bath) | Laxton, Bob |
| Foster, Michael Jabez (Hastings) | Lepper, David |
| Foster, Michael J (Worcester) | Leslie, Christopher |
| Foulkes, George | Levitt, Tom |
| Fyfe, Maria | Lewis, Ivan (Bury S) |
| Galloway, George | Liddell, Rt Hon Mrs Helen |
| Gapes, Mike | Linton, Martin |
| Gardiner, Barry | Livingstone, Ken |
| George, Andrew (St Ives) | Livsey, Richard |
| George, Bruce (Walsall S) | Lloyd, Tony (Manchester C) |
| Gibson, Dr Ian | Llwyd, Elfyn |
| Gilroy, Mrs Linda | Love, Andrew |
| Godman, Dr Norman A | McAvoy, Thomas |
| Godsiff, Roger | McCabe, Steve |
| Goggins, Paul | McCafferty, Ms Chris |
| Gordon, Mrs Eileen | McDonagh, Siobhain |
| Gorrie, Donald | McDonnell, John |
| Griffiths, Jane (Reading E) | McIsaac, Shona |
| Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) | McKenna, Mrs Rosemary |
| Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) | |
| Grogan, John | McNamara, Kevin |
| Gunnell, John | McNulty, Tony |
| Hain, Peter | MacShane, Denis |
| Hall, Patrick (Bedford) | McWilliam, John |
| Hancock, Mike | Mahon, Mrs Alice |
| Hanson, David | Mallaber, Judy |
| Harris, Dr Evan | Mandelson, Rt Hon Peter |
| Healey, John | Marsden, Gordon (Blackpool S) |
| Heath, David (Somerton & Frome) | Marsden, Paul (Shrewsbury) |
| Hepburn, Stephen | Marshall, David (Shettleston) |
| Heppell, John | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) |
| Hesford, Stephen | Martlew, Eric |
| Hewitt, Ms Patricia | Maxton, John |
| Hill, Keith | Meale, Alan |
| Hodge, Ms Margaret | Merron, Gillian |
| Hood, Jimmy | Michie, Bill (Shef'ld Heeley) |
| Hopkins, Kelvin | Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll & Bute) |
| Howarth, George (Knowsley N) | Milburn, Rt Hon Alan |
| Howells, Dr Kim | Mitchell, Austin |
| Hoyle, Lindsay | Moffatt, Laura |
| Moonie, Dr Lewis | Smith, Miss Geraldine (Morecambe & Lunesdale) |
| Moran, Ms Margaret | |
| Morgan, Alasdair (Galloway) | Smith, Jacqui (Redditch) |
| Morgan, Ms Julie (Cardiff N) | Smith, John (Glamorgan) |
| Murphy, Denis (Wansbeck) | Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent) |
| Murphy, Jim (Eastwood) | Smith, Sir Robert (W Ab'd'ns) |
| Naysmith, Dr Doug | Snape, Peter |
| Norris, Dan | Southworth, Ms Helen |
| Oaten, Mark | Spellar, John |
| O'Hara, Eddie | Squire, Ms Rachel |
| Olner, Bill | Starkey, Dr Phyllis |
| O'Neill, Martin | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Öpik, Lembit | Stevenson, George |
| Osborne, Ms Sandra | Stewart, David (Inverness E) |
| Palmer, Dr Nick | Stewart, Ian (Eccles) |
| Pearson, Ian | Stoate, Dr Howard |
| Pendry, Tom | Strang, Rt Hon Dr Gavin |
| Perham, Ms Linda | Stringer, Graham |
| Pickthall, Colin | Stuart, Ms Gisela |
| Pike, Peter L | Stunell, Andrew |
| Plaskitt, James | Sutcliffe, Gerry |
| Pollard, Kerry | Taylor, Ms Dari (Stockton S) |
| Pond, Chris | Taylor, David (NW Leics) |
| Pope, Greg | Thomas, Gareth (Clwyd W) |
| Pound, Stephen | Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W) |
| Powell, Sir Raymond | Timms, Stephen |
| Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E) | Tipping, Paddy |
| Prentice, Gordon (Pendle) | Todd, Mark |
| Prescott, Rt Hon John | Tonge, Dr Jenny |
| Primarolo, Dawn | Touhig, Don |
| Prosser, Gwyn | Trickett, Jon |
| Purchase, Ken | Turner, Dennis (Wolverh'ton SE) |
| Quinn, Lawrie | Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown) |
| Radice, Rt Hon Giles | Turner, Dr George (NW Norfolk) |
| Rammell, Bill | Twigg, Derek (Halton) |
| Rapson, Syd | Twigg, Stephen (Enfield) |
| Reed, Andrew (Loughborough) | Tyler, Paul |
| Reid, Rt Hon Dr John (Hamilton N) | Vis, Dr Rudi |
| Roche, Mrs Barbara | Wallace, James |
| Rooker, Jeff | Watts, David |
| Rooney, Terry | Webb, Steve |
| Rowlands, Ted | Welsh, Andrew |
| Ruane, Chris | White, Brian |
| Ruddock, Joan | Wicks, Malcolm |
| Salter, Martin | Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W) |
| Sanders, Adrian | |
| Sarwar, Mohammad | Williams, Alan W (E Carmarthen) |
| Sawford, Phil | Williams, Mrs Betty (Conwy) |
| Sedgemore, Brian | Wilson, Brian |
| Shaw, Jonathan | Winnick, David |
| Sheerman, Barry | Wise, Audrey |
| Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert | Wood, Mike |
| Shipley, Ms Debra | Wright, Dr Tony (Cannock) |
| Short, Rt Hon Clare | Wyatt, Derek |
| Simpson, Alan (Nottingham S) | |
| Singh, Marsha | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Skinner, Dennis | Mr. Mike Hall and |
| Smith, Angela (Basildon) | Jane Kennedy |
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| Ainsworth, Peter (E Surrey) | Butterfill, John |
| Amess, David | Cash, William |
| Ancram, Rt Hon Michael | Chapman, Sir Sydney |
| Arbuthnot, Rt Hon James | (Chipping Barnet) |
| Baldry, Tony | Chope, Christopher |
| Beresford, Sir Paul | Clappison, James |
| Body, Sir Richard | Collins, Tim |
| Boswell, Tim | Colvin, Michael |
| Bottomley, Peter (Worthing W) | Cormack, Sir Patrick |
| Bottomley, Rt Hon Mrs Virginia | Davies, Quentin (Grantham) |
| Brady, Graham | Davis, Rt Hon David (Haltemprice) |
| Brazier, Julian | Day, Stephen |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Dorrell, Rt Hon Stephen |
| Browning, Mrs Angela | Duncan, Alan |
| Bruce, Ian (S Dorset) | Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter |
| Burns, Simon | Evans, Nigel |
| Fabricant, Michael | May, Mrs Theresa |
| Fallon, Michael | Moss, Malcolm |
| Forth, Rt Hon Eric | Nicholls, Patrick |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman | Norman, Archie |
| Fox, Dr Liam | Ottaway, Richard |
| Fraser, Christopher | Page, Richard |
| Gale, Roger | Paice, James |
| Garnier, Edward | Pickles, Eric |
| Gibb, Nick | Prior, David |
| Gill, Christopher | Randall, John |
| Gillan, Mrs Cheryl | Redwood, Rt Hon John |
| Gorman, Mrs Teresa | Robathan, Andrew |
| Gray, James | Robertson, Laurence (Tewk'b'ry) |
| Green, Damian | Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxbourne) |
| Greenway, John | Ruffley, David |
| Grieve, Dominic | Sayeed, Jonathan |
| Gummer, Rt Hon John | Shephard, Rt Hon Mrs Gillian |
| Hague, Rt Hon William | Shepherd, Richard |
| Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archie | Simpson, Keith (Mid-Noriolk) |
| Hammond, Philip | Soames, Nicholas |
| Hawkins, Nick | Spelman, Mrs Caroline |
| Heathcoat-Amory, Rt Hon David | Spicer, Sir Michael |
| Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas | Spring, Richard |
| Howard, Rt Hon Michael | Steen, Anthony |
| Howarth, Gerald (Aldershot) | Streeter, Gary |
| Jack, Rt Hon Michael | Swayne, Desmond |
| Jackson, Robert (Wantage) | Syms, Robert |
| Jenkin, Bernard | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Johnson Smith, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Taylor, Ian (Esher & Walton) |
| Taylor, John M (Solihull) | |
| Taylor, Sir Teddy | |
| Key, Robert | Tredinnick, David |
| King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) | Trend, Michael |
| Kirkbride, Miss Julie | Tyrie, Andrew |
| Laing, Mrs Eleanor | Viggers, Peter |
| Lansley, Andrew | Walter, Robert |
| Letwin, Oliver | Wardle, Charles |
| Lewis, Dr Julian (New Forest E) | Waterson, Nigel |
| Lidington, David | Wells, Bowen |
| Lloyd, Rt Hon Sir Peter (Fareham) | Whitney, Sir Raymond |
| Loughton, Tim | Whittingdale, John |
| Luff, Peter | Widdecombe, Rt Hon Miss Ann |
| Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas | Wilkinson, John |
| MacGregor, Rt Hon John | Willetts, David |
| McIntosh, Miss Anne | Wilshire, David |
| MacKay, Rt Hon Andrew | Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton) |
| Maclean, Rt Hon David | Winterton, Nicholas (Macclesfield) |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Woodward, Shaun |
| Madel, Sir David | Yeo, Tim |
| Major, Rt Hon John | Young, Rt Hon Sir George |
| Malins, Humfrey | |
| Maples, John | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Mates, Michael | Mrs. Jacqui Lait and |
| Maude, Rt Hon Francis | Mr. Geoffrey Clifton-Brown. |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
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Amendment made: No. 2, in page 7, line 41, at end insert—
'(ii) on energy consumption and on the efficiency with which energy is used;
(iii) on waste within the meaning of the regulations and on the destinations of such waste;'.—[Mr. Kevin Hughes.]