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'A person does not commit an offence under section 1(1) if he hunts any wild mammal with dogs on land where the owner or occupier thereof reasonably considers that such hunting is necessary in order to kill, control or disperse such mammals and either:—
§ Brought up, and read the First time.
§ Motion made, and Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 42, Noes 128.
895| Division No. 211] | [1.13 pm |
| AYES | |
| Arbuthnot, James | Johnson Smith, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Baldry, Tony | Lansley, Andrew |
| Boswell, Tim | Luff, Peter |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas |
| Chope, Christopher | McIntosh, Miss Anne |
| Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Maclean, Rt Hon David |
| Colvin, Michael | Maginnis, Ken |
| Curry, Rt Hon David | Mates, Michael |
| Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Mawhinney, Rt Hon Sir Brian |
| Fallon, Michael | Öpik, Lembit |
| Forth, Rt Hon Eric | Paterson, Owen |
| Garnier, Edward | Robathan, Andrew |
| Gill, Christopher | St Aubyn, Nick |
| Gray, James | Spring, Richard |
| Greenway, John | Streeter, Gary |
| Grieve, Dominic | Taylor, Ian (Esher & Walton) |
| Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archie | Tyrie, Andrew |
| Hawkins, Nick | Woodward, Shaun |
| Heald, Oliver | Yeo, Tim |
| Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael | |
| Hoey, Kate | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas | Mr. Edward Leigh and |
| Howarth, Gerald (Aldershot) | Mr. Peter Atkinson. |
| NOES | |
| Ainger, Nick | Gibson, Dr Ian |
| Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) | Gilroy, Mrs Linda |
| Anderson, Janet (Rossendale) | Godman, Norman A |
| Atkins, Charlotte | Gordon, Mrs Eileen |
| Austin, John | Hall, Mike (Weaver Vale) |
| Barnes, Harry | Hancock, Mike |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Henderson, Ivan (Harwich) |
| Bennett, Andrew F | Hill, Keith |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) |
| Bradley, Peter (The Wrekin) | Iddon, Dr Brian |
| Bradshaw, Ben | Jackson, Ms Glenda (Hampstead) |
| Brake, Tom | Jackson, Helen (Hillsborough) |
| Brown, Rt Hon Nick (Newcastle E) | Johnson, Alan (Hull W & Hessle) |
| Buck, Ms Karen | Jones, Dr Lynne (Selly Oak) |
| Butler, Mrs Christine | Keen, Ann (Brentford & Isleworth) |
| Caplin, Ivor | Kelly, Ms Ruth |
| Casale, Roger | Kennedy, Jane (Wavertree) |
| Cawsey, Ian | King, Andy (Rugby & Kenilworth) |
| Clapham, Michael | King, Ms Oona (Bethnal Green) |
| Clark, Rt Hon Dr David (S Shields) | Lawrence, Ms Jackie |
| Clark, Dr Lynda (Edinburgh Pentlands) | Lepper, David |
| Clarke, Tony (Northampton S) | Love, Andrew |
| Coaker, Vernon | McCabe, Steve |
| Coffey, Ms Ann | McCafferty, Ms Chris |
| Coleman, Iain | McDonagh, Siobhain |
| Cooper, Yvette | McFall, John |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | McIsaac, Shona |
| Corston, Ms Jean | McNulty, Tony |
| Cousins, Jim | MacShane, Denis |
| Cranston, Ross | Mallaber, Judy |
| Darvill, Keith | Marshall—Andrews, Robert |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H) | Martlew, Eric |
| Dobbin, Jim | Merron, Gillian |
| Dobson, Rt Hon Frank | Michie, Bill (Shef'ld Heeley) |
| Dowd, Jim | Miller, Andrew |
| Eagle, Angela (Wallasey) | Moffatt, Laura |
| Efford, Clive | Morgan, Ms Julie (Cardiff N) |
| Etherington, Bill | Morley, Elliot |
| Fitzpatrick, Jim | Mountford, Kali |
| Flint, Caroline | Murphy, Paul (Torfaen) |
| Foster, Michael J (Worcester) | Naysmith, Dr Doug |
| Gale, Roger | Norris, Dan |
| Gapes, Mike | O'Brien, Mike (N Warks) |
| Gardiner, Barry | Olner, Bill |
| Gerrard, Neil | Palmer, Dr Nick |
| Perham, Ms Linda |
| Pickthall, Colin | Stinchcombe, Paul |
| Pike, Peter L | Taylor, Rt Hon Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| Pollard, Kerry | Taylor, Sir Teddy |
| Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lewisham E) | Thomas, Gareth R (Harrow W) |
| Primarolo, Dawn | Timms, Stephen |
| Prosser, Gwyn | Tipping, Paddy |
| Quinn, Lawrie | Turner, Dr Desmond (Kemptown) |
| Rammell, Bill | Twigg, Stephen (Enfield) |
| Rapson, Syd | Vis, Dr Rudi |
| Raynsford, Nick | Walley, Ms Joan |
| Ruane, Chris | Watts, David |
| Russell, Bob (Colchester) | Whitehead, Dr Alan |
| Savidge, Malcolm | Wicks, Malcolm |
| Sawford, Phil | Winnick, David |
| Sedgemore, Brian | Winterton, Ms Rosie (Doncaster C) |
| Shaw, Jonathan | Wright, Anthony D (Gt Yarmouth) |
| Skinner, Dennis | |
| Smith, Angela (Basildon) | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Smith, Jacqui (Redditch) | Mr. John Heppell and |
| Southworth, Ms Helen | Mr. Kevin McNamara. |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ Mr. Peter Brooke (Cities of London and Westminster)On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I tried to catch your eye in the aftermath of the vote on new clause 18. I was one of those hon. Members with Northern Ireland experience who rose to speak at that stage. I make no complaint whatever about the closure, not least because the question that I wanted to ask was the last question asked by my right hon. Friend the shadow Home Secretary, but one of the consequences of your accepting the closure was that the Minister, who also rose, was unable to reply to that question. As it is a question of no little importance in the context of the Northern Ireland talks, I wonder whether, through you, I could ask the Minister to write to my right hon. Friend and place a copy in the Library.
Mr. Deputy SpeakerThat is not a matter for the Chair, but perhaps the Minister has heard the right hon. Gentleman's comments.
§ Mr. Kenneth Clarke (Rushcliffe)On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. While the Minister is reflecting on that, may I ask whether you would allow a vote on new clause 20 if it were now to be moved formally? It was selected for debate by Madam Speaker and formed part of the subject matter of our longest debate so far today.
I know that we have already had a debate on new clause 2, but the substance of new clause 20 is different, as the former would have allowed the activities defined in the Bill to be reduced by an order of the Secretary of State, whereas the latter would simply allow the definitions to be changed if they proved inaccurate. On that basis, I think that the opinion of the House should be tested, and I wonder whether you will allow a vote.
§ Mr. Hawkinsrose—
§ Mr. HawkinsIt is further to the point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Mr. Deputy SpeakerOrder. Let me answer the point of order.
896 It is for the Chair to decide whether to allow a vote, and I have decided that we will not have a vote on the matter. We must move on to the next new clause.