HC Deb 08 July 1996 vol 281 cc136-41

Amendments made: No. 125, in page 84, leave out lines 41 and 42 and insert—

'(1) The following provisions of this Act come into force on Royal Assent—

  1. (a) section 144 (orders, regulations and irections),
  2. (b) sections 146 to 149 (extent, commencement and other general provisions).'.

No. 118, in page 85, line 3, after '129' insert

'and (Regeneration and development: Welsh Development Agency)'.

No. 127, in line 6, at end insert—

'section (Existing housing grants: meaning of exempt disposal) (existing housing grants: meaning of exempt disposal),'.

No. 126, in page 85, leave out lines 7 and 8—[Mr. Brandreth.]

Order for Third Reading read.—[Queen's and Prince of Wales's Consent signified.]

9.57 pm
Mr. Robert B. Jones

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

I commend this excellent Bill to the House. I place on record my appreciation of the work that officials have done behind the scenes and of that of my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary, the Member for Hertsmere (Mr. Clappison), in taking through much of the legislation.

9.58 pm
Mr. Vaz

I shall be even briefer than the Minister. Only two months have elapsed since the Second Reading of the Bill. I place on record my thanks to all members of the Committee. The hon. Member for City of Chester (Mr. Brandreth) and my hon. Friend the Member for Lewisham, East (Mrs. Prentice) had an excellent working relationship: it was not so much gone with the wind as gone with the Whip. They ensured that the work of the Committee proceeded diligently.

We shall vote against Third Reading because the fundamental principle remains that the Bill seeks to end mandatory grants. As my hon. Friend the Member for Holborn and St. Pancras (Mr. Dobson) said on Second Reading, it is a rag-bag of a Bill. We—and especially my hon. Friend the Member for Greenwich (Mr. Raynsford) in respect of its housing parts—have tried to ensure that suitable amendments were tabled.

I thank the hon. Member for Bolton, North-East (Mr. Thurnham) for his support on the construction part of the Bill. The Government still have no regeneration strategy. Even though the single regeneration budget has been, as it were, legalised, there is a lack of cohesion. For those reasons, we shall oppose Third Reading.

9.59 pm
Mr. Chris Davies

The Bill deals with housing grants. I regret that, as its proceedings reach their conclusion, not one extra penny has been promised for, nor an extra commitment made to, making housing grants available to people who live in unfit homes, who desperately need them.

Question put, That the Bill be now read the Third time:—

The House divided: Ayes 279, Noes 250.

Division No. 179] [9.59 pm
Ainsworth, Peter (East Surrey) Budgen, Nicholas
Aitken, Rt Hon Jonathan Burns, Simon
Alexander, Richard Burt, Alistair
Alison, Rt Hon Michael (Selby) Butcher, John
Allason, Rupert (Torbay) Butler, Peter
Amess, David Butterfill, John
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Carlisle, John (Luton North)
Atkins, Rt Hon Robert Carlisle, Sir Kenneth (Lincoln)
Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) Carrington, Matthew
Baker, Rt Hon Kenneth (Mole V) Carttiss, Michael
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) Cash, William
Baldry, Tony Channon, Rt Hon Paul
Banks, Matthew (Southport) Chapman, Sir Sydney
Banks, Robert (Harrogate) Churchill, Mr.
Bates, Michael Clappison, James
Batiste, Spencer Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford)
Bellingham, Henry Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Bendall, Vivian Congdon, David
Beresford, Sr Paul Conway, Derek
Biffen, Rt Hon John Coombs, Anthony (Wyre For'st)
Body, Sir Richard Coombs, Simon (Swindon)
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Cope, Rt Hon Sir John
Booth, Hartley Cormack, Sir Patrick
Boswell, Tim Couchman, James
Bottomley, Peter (Eltham) Cran, James
Bottomley, Rt Hon Virginia Currie, Mrs Edwina (S D'by'ire)
Bowden, Sir Andrew Curry, David (Skipton & Ripon)
Bowis, John Davies, Quentin (Stamford)
Boyson, Rt Hon Sir Rhodes Day, Stephen
Brazier, Julian Deva, Nirj Joseph
Bright, Sir Graham Devlin, Tim
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Dorrell, Rt Hon Stephen
Brown, M (Brigg & Cl'thorpes) Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James
Browning, Mrs Angela Dover, Den
Bruce, Ian (South Dorset) Duncan, Alan
Duncan Smith, Iain Lait, Mrs Jacqui
Dunn, Bob Lang, Rt Hon Ian
Dykes, Hugh Lawrence, Sir Ivan
Eggar, Rt Hon Tim Legg, Barry
Elletson, Harold Leigh, Edward
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatfield) Lennox-Boyd, Sir Mark
Evans, Jonathan (Brecon) Lester, Sir James (Broxtowe)
Evans, Nigel (Ribble Valley) Lidington, David
Evans, Roger (Monmouth) Lilley, Rt Hon Peter
Evennett, David Lloyd, Rt Hon Sir Peter (Fareharm)
Faber, David Lord, Michael
Fabricant, Michael Luff, Peter
Fenner, Dame Peggy Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Fishburn, Dudley MacKay, Andrew
Forth, Eric Maclean, Rt Hon David
Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman McLoughlin, Patrick
Fox, Dr Liam (Woodspring) McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick
Fox, Rt Hon Sir Marcus (Shipley) Madel, Sir David
Freeman, Rt Hon Roger Maitland, Lady Olga
French, Douglas Malone, Gerald
Fry, Sir Peter Mans, Keith
Gale, Roger Marland, Paul
Gallie, Phil Martow, Tony
Gardiner, Sir George Marshall, John (Hendon S)
Garnier, Edward Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Gill, Christopher Mates, Michael
Gillan, Cheryl Mawhinney, Rt Hon Dr Brian
Goodlad, Rt Hon Alastair Merchant, Piers
Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles Mills, Iain
Gorman, Mrs Teresa Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Gorst, Sir John Mitchell, Sir David (NW Hants)
Grant, Sir A (SW Cambs) Moate, Sir Roger
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) Molyneaux, Rt Hon Sir James
Greenway, John (Ryedale) Monro, Rt Hon Sir Hector
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth, N) Montgomery, Sir Fergus
Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn Moss, Malcolm
Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archibald Needham, Rt Hon Richard
Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) Neubert, Sir Michael
Hampson, Dr Keith Newton, Rt Hon Tony
Hannam, Sir John Nicholls, Patrick
Hargreaves, Andrew Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Haselhurst, Sir Alan Norrris, Steve
Hawkins, Nick Oppenheim, Phillip
Hawksley, Warren Ottaway, Richard
Hayes, Jerry Page, Richard
Heald, Oliver Paice, James
Hendry, Charles Patnick, Sir Irvine
Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Higgins, Rt Hon Sir Terence Pawsey, James
Hill, Sir James (Southampton Test) Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth
Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas (G'tham) Pickles, Eric
Horam, John Porter, Barry (Wirral S)
Hordern, Rt Hon Sir Peter Porter, David (Waveney)
Howard, Rt Hon Michael Portillo, Rt Hon Michael
Howell, Sir Ralph (N Norfolk) Powell, William (Corby)
Hughes, Robert G (Harrow W) Rathbone, Tim
Hunt, Rt Hon David (Wirral W) Renton, Rt Hon Tim
Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne) Richards, Rod
Hunter, Andrew Riddick, Graham
Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm
Jack, Michael Robathan, Andrew
Jackson, Robert (Wantage) Roberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn
Jenkin, Bernard Robertson, Raymond (Ab'd'n S)
Jessel, Toby Robinson, Mark (Somerton)
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxbourne)
Jones, Robert B (W Hertfdshr) Rowe, Andrew (Mid Kent)
Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine Rumbold, Rt Hon Dame Angela
Key, Robert Sainsbury, Rt Hon Sir Timothy
King, Rt Hon Tom Scott, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas
Kirkhope, Timothy Shaw, David (Dover)
Knapman, Roger Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey)
Knight, Mrs Angela (Erewash) Shephard, Rt Hon Gillian
Knight, Rt Hon Greg (Derby N) Shepherd, Sir Colin (Hereford)
Knight, Dame Jill Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge)
Kynoch, George (Kincardine) Shersby, Sir Michael
Sims, Sir Roger Townsend, Cyril D (Bexl'yh'th)
Skeet, Sir Trevor Tracey, Richard
Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) Tredinnick, David
Speed, Sir Keith Trend, Michael
Spencer, Sir Derek Trotter, Neville
Spicer, Sir Michael (S Worcs) Twinn, Dr Ian
Spink, Dr Robert Vaughan, Sir Gerard
Spring, Richard Viggers, Peter
Sproat, Iain Walden, George
Squire, Robin (Hornchurch) Walker, Bill (N Tayside)
Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John Waller, Gary
Steen, Anthony Ward, John
Stephen, Michael Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Stern, Michael Waterson, Nigel
Stewart, Allan Watts, John
Streeter, Gary Wells, Bowen
Whitney, Ray
Sumberg, David Whittingdale, John
Sweeney, Walter Widdecombe, Ann
Sykes, John
Tapsell, Sir Peter Wiggin, Sir Jerry
Wilkinson, John
Taylor, Ian (Esher) Willetts, David
Taylor, John M (Solihull) Wilshire, David
Taylor, Sir Teddy (Southend, E) Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton)
Temple-Morris, Peter Wolfson, Mark
Thomason, Roy Wood, Timothy
Thompson, Sir Donald (C'er V) Young, Rt Hon Sir George
Thompson, Patrick
Thornton, Sir Malcolm Tellers for the Ayes:
Thurnham, Peter Mr. Sebastian Coe and
Townend, John (Bridlington) Mr. Gyles Brandreth.
Abbott, Ms Diane Clarke, Eric (Midlothian)
Adams, Mrs Irene Clarke, Tom (Monklands W)
Ainger, Nick Clelland, David
Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) Clwyd, Mrs Ann
Allen, Graham Coffey, Ann
Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) Cohen, Harry
Anderson, Ms Janet (Ros'dale) Connarty, Michael
Ashton, Joe Cook, Robin (Livingston)
Austin-Walker, John Corbyn, Jeremy
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Corston, Jean
Barron, Kevin Cousins, Jim
Battle, John Cummings, John
Bayley, Hugh Cunliffe, Lawrence
Beckett, Rt Hon Margaret Cunningham, Jim (Covy SE)
Beith, Rt Hon A J Dalyell, Tam
Bell, Stuart Darling, Alistair
Bennett, Andrew F Davidson, Ian
Benton, Joe Davies, Chris (L'Boro & S'worth)
Bermingham, Gerald Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli)
Berry, Roger Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'dge H'I)
Betts, Clive Denham, John
Blunkett, David Dewar, Donald
Boateng, Paul Dixon, Don
Bradley, Keith Dobson, Frank
Bray, Dr Jeremy Donohoe, Brian H
Brown, Gordon (Dunfermline E) Dowd, Jim
Brown, N (N'c'tle upon Tyne E) Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) Eagle, Ms Angela
Byers, Stephen Eastham, Ken
Caborn, Richard Etherington, Bill
Callaghan, Jim Evans, John (St Helens N)
Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) Fatchett, Derek
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) Faulds, Andrew
Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) Fisher, Mark
Campbell-Savours, D N Flynn, Paul
Canavan, Dennis Foster, Rt Hon Derek
Cann, Jamie Foster, Don (Bath)
Carlile, Alexander (Montgomery) Foulkes, George
Chidgey, David Fraser, John
Chisholm, Malcolm Fyfe, Maria
Church, Judith Galloway, George
Clapham, Michael Gapes, Mike
Clark, Dr David (South Shields) Garrett, John
Gerrard, Neil Meacher, Michael
Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John Meale, Alan
Godman, Dr Norman A Michael, Alun
Godsiff, Roger Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
Golding, Mrs Llin Milburn, Alan
Gordon, Mildred Miller, Andrew
Graham, Thomas Mitchell, Austin (Gt Grimsby)
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) Moonie, Dr Lewis
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Morgan, Rhodri
Grocott, Bruce Morley, Elliot
Gunnell, John Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wy'nshawe)
Hall, Mike Morris, Estelle (B'ham Yardley)
Hanson, David Morris, Rt Hon John (Aberavon)
Harman, Ms Harriet Mowlam, Marjorie
Heppell, John Mudie, George
Hill, Keith (Streatham) Mullin, Chris
Hinchliffe, David Murphy, Paul
Hodge, Margaret Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)
Hoey, Kate O'Brien, William (Normanton)
Hogg, Norman (Cumbernauld) O'Hara, Edward
Home Robertson, John Olner, Bill
Hood, Jimmy O'Neill, Martin
Hoon, Geoffrey Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Howarth, Alan (Strat'rd-on-A) Parry, Robert
Howarth, George (Knowsley North) Pearson, Ian
Howells, Dr Kim (Pontypridd) Pendry, Tom
Hoyle, Doug Pickthall, Colin
Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) Pike, Peter L
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Pope, Greg
Hughes, Roy (Newport E) Powell, Sir Ray (Ogmore)
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Prentice, Bridget (Lew'm E)
Hutton, John Prentice, Gordon (Pendle)
Illsley, Eric Prescott, Rt Hon John
Ingram, Adam Primarolo, Dawn
Jackson, Glenda (H'stead) Purchase, Ken
Jackson, Helen (Shef'ld, H) Quin, Ms Joyce
Jamieson, David Randall, Stuart
Janner, Greville Raynsford, Nick
Jenkins, Brian (SE Staff) Reid, Dr John
Jones, Ieuan Wyn (Ynys Môn) Rendel, David
Jones, Lynne (B'ham S O) Robertson, George (Hamilton)
Jones, Martyn (Clwyd, SW) Robinson, Geoffrey (Co'tryN W)
Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham) Roche, Mrs Barbara
Jowell, Tessa Rogers, Allan
Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald Rooker, Jeff
Keen, Alan Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
Kennedy, Charles (Ross,C&S) Rowlands, Ted
Kennedy, Jane (L'pool Br'dg'n) Salmond, Alex
Khabra, Piara S Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Kilfoyle, Peter Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Kirkwood, Archy Short, Clare
Lewis, Terry Skinner, Dennis
Liddell, Mrs Helen Smith, Andrew (Oxford E)
Litherland, Robert Smith, Chris (Isl'ton S & F'sbury)
Livingstone, Ken Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent)
Llwyd, Elfyn Soley, Clive
Loyden, Eddie Spearing, Nigel
Lynne, Ms Liz Spellar, John
McAllion, John Squire, Rachel (Dunfermline W)
McAvoy, Thomas Steel, Rt Hon Sir David
McCartney, Ian Steinberg, Gerry
Macdonald, Calum Stevenson, George
McKelvey, William Stott, Roger
Mackinlay, Andrew Strang, Dr. Gavin
McLeish, Henry Sutcliffe, Gerry
McMaster, Gordon Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
McNamara, Kevin Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
MacShane, Denis Timms, Stephen
McWilliam, John Tipping, Paddy
Madden, Max Touhig, Don
Maddock, Diana Trickett, Jon
Mahon, Alice Turner, Dennis
Mandelson, Peter Vaz, Keith
Marek, Dr John Walker, Rt Hon Sir Harold
Marshall, David (Shettleston) Walley, Joan
Martin, Michael J (Springburn) Wareing, Robert N
Watson, Mike Wise, Audrey
Welsh, Andrew Wray, Jimmy
Wicks, Malcolm Wright, Dr Tony
Wigley, Dafydd Young, David (Bolton SE)
Williams, Rt Hon Alan (SW'n W) Tellers for the Noes:
Williams, Alan W (Carmarthen) Mr. Peter Main and
Winnick, David Mr. Jon Owen Jones.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Bill read the Third time, and passed, with amendments.