§ '.—(1) The Secretary of State shall draw up and keep under review a list ("the secondary list") of sporting events of national interest other than events listed under section 91 ("secondary listed events") to which the provisions of this section and of section (Separation of highlights and live coverage of secondary listed events) are to apply.
§ (2) Subsections (2) to (5) of section (91) shall apply to the secondary list as they apply to the list drawn up by the Secretary of State under subsection (1) of that section, and any reference in that section to a list of sporting or other events of national interest, shall be construed also as a reference to a list drawn up under this section.
§ (3) For the purposes of the provisions of this Part relating to the secondary list, television programme services shall be divided into two categories as follows—
- (a) services falling within paragraph (a) of section 92(1), and Channel 5;
- (b) all television programme services not for the time being falling within paragraph (a) above.'—[Mr. Pendrv.]
§ Brought up, and read the First time.
§ Mr. PendryI beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Mr. Deputy SpeakerWith this, it will be convenient to discuss also new clause 14—Separation of highlights and live coverage of secondary listed events—
`.—(1) A person providing a service falling within either paragraph (3)(a) or (3)(b) of section (The secondary list of events) ("the first service") for reception in the United Kingdom or any area in the United Kingdom shall not, without the previous consent of the Commission, include in that service live coverage of the whole or any part of a secondary listed event ("the live coverage") unless—
- (a) another person, who is providing a service falling within the other paragraph of subsection (3) of that section ("the second service"), has acquired the right to include in that service televised highlights of that event or part of that event; and
682 - (b) the area of the United Kingdom for which the second service is provided consists of or includes the whole, or substantially the whole, of the area of the United Kingdom for which the first service is provided,
but nothing in this subsection shall be taken to prohibit the person providing the first service from including in that service the whole or any part of a recording of the live coverage.(2) Subsections (3) and (4) of section 95 shall have effect in relation to subsection (1) of this section as they have effect in relation to subsection (I) of that section.(3) If the Commission are satisfied that the holder of a licence under Part 1 of the 1990 Act or of a digital programme licence under Part 1 of this Act has unreasonably failed to comply with subsection (1), they may require him to pay, within a specified period, a financial penalty to the Commission.(4) The amount of any financial penalty imposed on any person under subsection (3) above shall not exceed the amount produced by multiplying the relevant consideration by the prescribed secondary multiplier.(5) In subsection (4)—
- (a) "the relevant consideration" has the same meaning as in section 96(4)(a); and
- (b) "the prescribed secondary multiplier" means such number as the Secretary of state may from time to time by order prescribe,
and any such order shall be subject to annulment in pursuance of a resolution of either House of Parliament(6) Subsections (6) and (7) of section (96) shall apply to any amount payable to the Commission by virtue of subsection (3) above as they apply to any amount so payable by virtue of subsection (1) or (2) of section (96).(7) If the Commission are satisfied that a broadcasting body has unreasonably failed to comply with subsection (1) above, they shall make a report to the Secretary of State.(8) In this section "broadcasting body" has the same meaning as in section (97).(9) For the purposes of this Part—
- (a) "highlights" of live coverage are recorded extracts of that coverage selected from the whole of the coverage by the person to whom the highlights rights are granted, and
- (b) references to the right to include highlights of live coverage of the whole or part of a secondary listed event in a television programme service shall be construed as references to the right to include such highlights in that service on each day upon which that event, or part fo that event, takes place and within a reasonable time of the conclusion of that event, or that part of that event, on that day.'.
§ Mr. PendryThe new clauses relate to what is commonly called unbundling, which was considered in another place when an amendment was proposed by Lord Howell to compel all sports to be covered by unbundling, legislation. It was withdrawn because a voluntary code of practice was promised instead.
On Second Reading, my right hon. Friend the Member for Copeland (Dr. Cunningham) made it clear that if we felt that the code was unsatisfactory we would seek to reintroduce amendments on unbundling at this stage.
We have now been able to see the code of practice drawn up by the major sports division of the Central Council of Physical Recreation, and to study it closely. On that committee, there are several vested interests, which would seek to protect their own negotiated settlements with broadcasters, ahead, we would argue, of national interests; but the House has a duty to consider wider issues than the narrow sectional ones of sports governing bodies. We recognise the interests of millions 683 of people who enjoy watching sport on terrestrial television, who increasingly find that pleasure taken away from them.
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Although there are some improvements on the previous draft, the Opposition still have several reservations. That is why we tabled new clauses 13 and 14. They are not intended to undermine the voluntary code—quite the opposite. They are there to support the code and ensure that its provisions on unbundling are enforced. If broadcasters and governing bodies abide by the spirit and wording of the voluntary code, there will be no need to add any events to the secondary list; but there is a reserve power for the Secretary of State if need be.
We did welcome the code's publication and its recognition of the importance of sport to the social life of our country. It is encouraging that governing bodies of sport are coming together to draw up a code of this kind. We should note, however, that they did so following moves by a number of us in this and another place to introduce a statutory code.
On many issues, we have no problem with the code. We warmly welcome its call for moneys earned by the sale of broadcasting rights to be reinvested in the development of sport. There may be arguments about the percentage that should -go into that development, which stands at no less than 5 per cent. in the voluntary code, but we should all agree with the general principle. However, we still have several doubts about the code.
First, we are worried that not all major governing bodies have signed up to the code; at the moment, 11 bodies have done so. Secondly, we are worried that there has not been enough dialogue with broadcasters about the code. Initially there was no mention of news access, and that is why we tabled amendments in Committee on that important issue. We are pleased that the Government have accepted that principle by introducing new clause 27.
We have other concerns about what has been left out of the code, and especially about the fact that there is no indication of what will happen to governing bodies if they ignore it. There is no mention of any penalties or methods of enforcement for non-observance. As it is only a voluntary code, the governing bodies could simply ignore whatever penalties were imposed. Ultimately, they have the right to walk away. The code has no teeth and, as the hon. Member for Blackpool, South (Mr. Hawkins) said in Committee,
a voluntary code is clearly not going to be effective."—[Official Report, Standing Committee D, 11 June 1996; c. 554.]I know that many other Conservative Members share his, and indeed our, view.In Committee, the Minister called for a balanced approach. The interests of the general public, the overwhelming majority of whom do not have access to subscription services, must be considered, but the genuine interests of the sports must be taken into account.
It should be no surprise to the Minister to learn that I agree with him that a balance needs to be struck. Our point of difference is how we strike that balance. The Minister supports the voluntary code but, as I explained, it has deficiencies. We need a measure that will give 684 adequate protection to all our major sporting events while meeting the reasonable needs of the sports-viewing public. That is precisely what we propose.
I commend these new clauses to the House.
§ Mr. SproatWe oppose unbundling and intend to vote against it. The Government considered the issue of unbundling broadcast sports rights with great care and discussed it with all the relevant interests as part of our consultation earlier this year. The Government recognise the special importance of broadcast coverage of sporting events, but this new clause, even if limited in the way that the hon. Member for Stalybridge and Hyde (Mr. Pendry) explained, introduces an entirely new concept, unparalleled in any other aspect of broadcasting here or, to our knowledge, anywhere else in the world. No other product or commodity sold in a competitive market is subject to such a process.
The sports bodies have acted responsibly in agreeing a voluntary code on broadcasting rights. The hon. Member for Stalybridge and Hyde says that he supports it. He cannot support it and then say that he wants to impose a compulsory unbundling.
The Government's provisions on broadcast sport in the Bill are fully in line with the recommendations of the Select Committee. Unbundling is an unwarranted additional step. The ITV Association thinks it preferable that the market should take its course within existing competition rules and does not want unbundling.
The controls proposed by the hon. Gentleman would be complex, uncertain, arbitrary and bureaucratic. They would be subject to uncertainties of definition. Accordingly, I repeat that if the hon. Gentleman wants to carry the matter through to a vote, we will fight him in the Lobby.
§ Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 251, Noes 286.
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AYES | |
Abbott Ms Diane | Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) |
Adams, Mrs Irene | Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) |
Ainger, Nick | Campbell-Savours, D N |
Allen, Graham | Canavan, Dennis |
Alton, David | Cann, Jamie |
Armstrong, Hilary | Chidgey, David |
Ashton, Joe | Chisholm, Malcolm |
Austin-Walker, John | Church, Judith |
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Clapham, Michael |
Barnes, Harry | Clark, Dr David (South Shields) |
Barron, Kevin | Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) |
Battle, John | Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) |
Bayley, Hugh | Clelland, David |
Beckett, Rt Hon Margaret | Clwyd, Mrs Ann |
Bell, Stuart | Coffey, Ann |
Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Cohen, Harry |
Bennett, Andrew F | Connarty, Michael |
Benton, Joe | Cook, Frank (Stockton N) |
Bermingham, Gerald | Cook, Robin (Livingston) |
Berry, Roger | Corbett, Robin |
Betts, Clive | Corbyn, Jeremy |
Blunkett, David | Corston, Jean |
Boateng, Paul | Cousins, Jim |
Bradley, Keith | Cox, Tom |
Brown, N (N'c'tle upon Tyne E) | Cummings, John |
Byers, Stephen | Cunliffe, Lawrence |
Caborn, Richard | Cunningham, Jim (Covy SE) |
Callaghan, Jim | Cunningham, Rt Hon Dr John |
Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) | Cunningham, Roseanna |
Dafis, Cynog | Jowell, Tessa |
Dalyell, Tam | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald |
Darling, Alistair | Keen, Alan |
Davidson, Ian | Kennedy, Charles (Ross, C&S) |
Davies, Bryan (Oldham C'tral) | Kennedy, Jane (L'pool Br'dg'n) |
Davies, Chris (L'Boro & S'worth) | Khabra, Piara S |
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) | Kirkwood, Archy |
Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) | Lestor, Joan (Eccles) |
Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'dge H'l) | Lewis, Terry |
Denham, John | Liddell, Mrs Helen |
Dewar, Donald | Litherland, Robert |
Dixon, Don | Livingstone, Ken |
Dobson, Frank | Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) |
Donohoe, Brian H | Llwyd, Elfyn |
Dowd, Jim | Lynne, Ms Liz |
Eagle, Ms Angela | McAllion, John |
Eastham, Ken | McCartney, Ian |
Etherington, Bill | Macdonald, Calum |
Evans, John (St Helens N) | McFall, John |
Ewing, Mrs Margaret | McKelvey, William |
Fatchett, Derek | Mackinlay, Andrew |
Faulds, Andrew | McLeish, Henry |
Flynn, Paul | Maclennan, Robert |
Foster, Rt Hon Derek | McNamara, Kevin |
Foster, Don (Bath) | MacShane, Denis |
Foulkes, George | McWilliam, John |
Fyfe, Maria | Madden, Max |
Galbraith, Sam | Maddock, Diana |
Galloway, George | Mahon, Alice |
Gapes, Mike | Mandelson, Peter |
Garrett, John | Marek, Dr John |
George, Bruce | Marshall, David (Shettleston) |
Gerrard, Neil | Marshall, Jim (Leicester, S) |
Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John | Martin, Michael J (Springburn) |
Godman, Dr Norman A | Martlew, Eric |
Godsiff, Roger | Maxton, John |
Golding, Mrs Llin | Meacher, Michael |
Graham, Thomas | Meale, Alan |
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) | Michael, Alun |
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) | Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) |
Grocott, Bruce | Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll & Bute) |
Gunnell, John | Miller, Andrew |
Hall, Mike | Mitchell, Austin (Gt Grimsby) |
Hanson, David | Moonie, Dr Lewis |
Hardy, Peter | Morgan, Rhodri |
Harman, Ms Harriet | Morley, Elliot |
Harvey, Nick | Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wy'nshawe) |
Henderson, Doug | Morris, Estelle (B'ham Yardley) |
Heppell, John | Mowlam, Marjorie |
Hill, Keith (Streatham) | Mudie, George |
Hinchliffe, David | Mullin, Chris |
Hodge, Margaret | O'Hara, Edward |
Hoey, Kate | O'Brien, William (Normanton) |
Hogg, Norman (Cumbernauld) | Olner, Bill |
Home Robertson, John | O'Neill, Martin |
Hood, Jimmy | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
Hoon, Geoffrey | Pearson, Ian |
Howarth, Alan (Strat'rd-on-A) | Pendry, Tom |
Howarth, George (Knowsley North) | Pickthall, Colin |
Howells, Dr Kim (Pontypridd) | Pike, Peter L |
Hoyle, Doug | Pope, Greg |
Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) | Prentice, Bridget (Lew'm E) |
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) | Prentice, Gordon (Pendle) |
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) | Primarolo, Dawn |
Hutton, John | Purchase, Ken |
Illsley, Eric | Quin, Ms Joyce |
Ingram, Adam | Radice, Giles |
Jackson, Glenda (H'stead) | Randall, Stuart |
Jackson, Helen (Shef'ld, H) | Raynsford, Nick |
Jamieson, David | Rendel, David |
Jenkins, Brian (SE Staff) | Robertson, George (Hamilton) |
Jones, Barry (Alyn and D'side) | Robinson, Geoffrey (Co'try NW) |
Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C) | Roche, Mrs Barbara |
Jones, Lynne (B'ham S O) | Rogers, Allan |
Jones, Martyn (Clwyd, SW) | Rooker, Jeff |
Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham) | Rooney, Terry |
Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
Rowlands, Ted | Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck) |
Salmond, Alex | Timms, Stephen |
Sedgemore, Brian | Touhig, Don |
Sheerman, Barry | Trickett, Jon |
Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert | Turner, Dennis |
Shore, Rt Hon Peter | Tyler, Paul |
Short, Clare | Wallace, James |
Simpson, Alan | Walley, Joan |
Skinner, Dennis | Wardell, Gareth (Gower) |
Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) | Wareing, Robert N |
Wicks, Malcolm | |
Smith, Chris (Isl'ton S & F'sbury) | Williams Rt Hon Alan (Sw'n W) |
Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent) | Wlliams, Alan W (Carmarthen) |
Snape, Peter | Wilson, Brian |
Spearing, Nigel | Worthington, Tony |
Spellar, John | Wray, Jimmy |
Steinberg, Gerry | Wright, Dr Tony |
Stevenson, George | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
Strang, Dr. Gavin | |
Straw, Jack | Tellers for the Ayes: |
Sutcliffe, Gerry | Mr. Peter Hain and Mr. Robert Ainsworth. |
Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
NOES | |
Ainsworth, Peter (East Surrey) | Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth (Ru'clif) |
Aitken, Rt Hon Jonathan | Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey |
Alexander, Richard | Coe, Sebastian |
Alison, Rt Hon Michael (Selby) | Colvin, Michael |
Allason, Rupert (Torbay) | Congdon, David |
Amess, David | Conway, Derek |
Arbuthnot, James | Coombs, Anthony (Wyre For'st) |
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Coombs, Simon (Swindon) |
Ashby, David | Cope, Rt Hon Sir John |
Atkins, Rt Hon Robert | Couchman, James |
Atkinson, David (Bour'mouth E) | Cran, James |
Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) | Currie, Mrs Edwina (S D'by'ire) |
Baker, Rt Hon Kenneth (Mole V) | Curry, David (Skipton & Ripon) |
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) | Davies, Quentin (Stamford) |
Banks, Matthew (Southport) | Day, Stephen |
Banks, Robert (Harrogate) | Deva, Nirj Joseph |
Bates, Michael | Dorrell, Rt Hon Stephen |
Batiste, Spencer | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James |
Beggs, Roy | Dover, Den |
Bellingham, Henry | Duncan, Alan |
Bendall, Vivian | Duncan Smith, Iain |
Beresford, Sir Paul | Dunn, Bob |
Biffen, Rt Hon John | Durant, Sir Anthony |
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas | Dykes, Hugh |
Booth, Hartley | Eggar, Rt Hon Tim |
Boswell, Tim | Elletson, Harold |
Bottomley, Peter (Eltham) | Emery, Ftt Hon Sir Peter |
Bottomley, Fit Hon Virginia | Evans, David (Welwyn Hatfield) |
Bowden, Sir Andrew | Evans, Jonathan (Brecon) |
Bowis, John | Evans, Nigel (Ribble Valley) |
Boyson, Rt Hon Sir Rhodes | Evans, Roger (Monmouth) |
Brazier, Julian | Evennett, David |
Bright, Sir Graham | Faber, David |
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Fabricant, Michael |
Brown, M (Brigg & Cl'thorpes) | Fishburn, Dudley |
Browning, Mrs Angela | Forman, Nigel |
Bruce, Ian (South Dorset) | Forsythe, Clifford (S Antrim) |
Budgen, Nicholas | Forth, Eric |
Burns, Simon | Fox, Rt Hon Sir Marcus (Shipley) |
Burt, Alistair | Freeman, Rt Hon Roger |
Butcher, John | French, Douglas |
Butler, Peter | Fry, Sir Peter |
Butterfill, John | Gale, Roger |
Carlisle, John (Luton North) | Gallie, Phil |
Carlisle, Sir Kenneth (Lincoln) | Gardiner, Sir George |
Cash, William | Garel-Jones, Rt Hon Tristan |
Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Garnier, Edward |
Chapman, Sir Sydney | Gill, Christopher |
Churchill, Mr | Gillan, Cheryl |
Clappison, James | Goodlad, Rt Hon Alastair |
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles |
Gorman, Mrs Teresa | Marland, Paul |
Gorst, Sir John | Marlow, Tony |
Grant Sir A (SW Cambs) | Marshall, John (Hendon S) |
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) | Marshall, Sir Michael (Arundel) |
Greenway, John (Ryedale) | Martin, David (Portsmouth S) |
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth, N) | Mates, Michael |
Grylls, Sir Michael | Mawhinney, Rt Hon Dr Brian |
Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn | Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick |
Hague, Rt Hon William | Merchant, Piers |
Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archibald | Mills, Iain |
Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
Hampson, Dr Keith | Mitchell, Sir David (NW Hants) |
Hanley, Rt Hon Jeremy | Molyneaux, Rt Hon Sir James |
Hannam, Sir John | Monro, Rt Hon Sir Hector |
Haselhurst, Sir Alan | Montgomery, Sir Fergus |
Hawkins, Nick | Needham, Rt Hon Richard |
Hawksley, Warren | Nelson, Anthony |
Hayes, Jerry | Neubert, Sir Michael |
Heald, Oliver | Newton, Rt Hon Tony |
Heathcoat-Amory, Rt Hon David | Nicholls, Patrick |
Hendry, Charles | Nicholson, David (Taunton) |
Hicks, Sir Robert | Norris, Steve |
Higgins, Rt Hon Sir Terence | Oppenheim, Phillip |
Hill, Sir James (Southampton Test) | Ottaway, Richard |
Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas (G'tham) | Page, Richard |
Horam, John | Paice, James |
Hordern, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Patrick, Sir Irvine |
Howard, Rt Hon Michael | Patten, Rt Hon John |
Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) | Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
Howell, Sir Ralph (N Norfolk) | Pawsey, James |
Hughes, Robert G (Harrow W) | Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth |
Hunt, Rt Hon David (Wirral W) | Pickles, Eric |
Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne) | Porter, Barry (Wirral S) |
Hunter, Andrew | Porter, David (Waveney) |
Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas | Portillo, Rt Hon Michael |
Jack, Michael | Powell, William (Corby) |
Jackson, Robert (Wantage) | Rathbone, Tim |
Jenkin, Bernard | Redwood, Rt Hon John |
Jessel, Toby | Renton, Rt Hon Tim |
Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey | Richards, Rod |
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) | Riddick, Graham |
Jones, Robert B (W Hertfdshr) | Robathan, Andrew |
Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Roberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn |
Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine | Robertson, Raymond (Ab'd'n S) |
Key, Robert | Robinson, Mark (Somerton) |
King, Rt Hon Tom | Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxbourne) |
Kirkhope, Timothy | Ross, William (E Londonderry) |
Knapman, Roger | Rowe, Andrew (Mid Kent) |
Knight, Mrs Angela (Erewash) | Rumbold, Rt Hon Dame Angela |
Knight, Rt Hon Greg (Derby N) | Sackville, Tom |
Knight, Dame Jill (Bir'm E'st'n) | Sainsbury, Rt Hon Sir Timothy |
Knox, Sir David | Scott, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas |
Kynoch, George (Kincardine) | Shaw, David (Dover) |
Lait, Mrs Jacqui | Shephard, Rt Hon Gillian |
Lamont, Rt Hon Norman | Shepherd, Sir Colin (Hereford) |
Lang, Rt Hon Ian | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) |
Lawrence, Sir Ivan | Shersby, Sir Michael |
Legg, Barry | Sims, Sir Roger |
Leigh, Edward | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
Lennox-Boyd, Sir Mark | Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) |
Lester, Sir James (Broxtowe) | Soames, Nicholas |
Lidington, David | Spencer, Sir Derek |
Lilley, Rt Hon Peter | Spicer, Sir James (W Dorset) |
Lloyd, Rt Hon Sir Peter (Fareham) | Spicer, Sir Michael (S Worcs) |
Lord, Michael | Spink, Dr Robert |
Luff, Peter | Sproat, Iain |
Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas | Squire, Robin (Hornchurch) |
MacGregor, Rt Hon John | Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John |
MacKay, Andrew | Stephen, Michael |
Maclean, Rt Hon David | Stewart, Allan |
McLoughlin, Patrick | Streeter, Gary |
McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick | Sumberg, David |
Madel, Sir David | Sweeney, Walter |
Maitland, Lady Olga | Sykes, John |
Malone, Gerald | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
Mans, Keith | Taylor, Ian (Esher) |
Taylor, John M (Solihull) | Ward, John |
Taylor, Sir Teddy (Southend, E) | Waterson, Nigel |
Thomason, Roy | Watts, John |
Thompson, Sir Donald (Calder V) | Wells, Bowen |
Thompson, Patrick (Nonwich N) | Wheeler, Rt Hon Sir John |
Thornton, Sir Malcolm | Whitney, Ray |
Townend, John (Bridlington) | Whittingdale, John |
Townsend, Cyril D (Bexl'yh'th) | Widdecombe, Ann |
Tracey, Richard | Wiggin, Sir Jerry |
Tredinnick, David | Wilkinson, John |
Trend, Michael | Willetts, David |
Trotter, Neville | Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton) |
Twinn, Dr Ian | Wood, Timothy |
Viggers, Peter | Young, Rt Hon Sir George |
Waldegrave, Rt Hon William | |
Walden, George | Tellers for the Noes: |
Walker, Bill (N Tayside) | Dr. Liam Fox and Mr. Gyles Brandreth. |
Waller, Gary |
§ Question accordingly negatived.