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Amendment proposed: No. 154, in page 13, line 4, at end insert—
'(5) If, for the purpose of protecting members of the public from serious harm (whether or not physical harm)—
- (a) a children's hearing consider it necessary to make a decision under or by virtue of this Part of this Act which (but for this paragraph) would not be consistent with their affording paramountcy to the consideration mentioned in subsection (1) above, they may make that decision; or
- (b) a court considers it necessary to make a determination under or by virtue of Chapters 1 to 3 of this Part of this Act which (but for this paragraph ) would not be consistent with its affording such paramountcy, it may make that determination.'.—[Lord James Douglas-Hamilton.]
§ Mr. Deputy SpeakerOrder. This has already been debated. I have just put the Question.
§ Mrs. FyfeOn a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I know that it has been debated but we have not voted on it.
§ Mr. Deputy SpeakerI shall put the question and, if hon. Members wish to vote, they may do so. We cannot debate it further.
§ Question put, That the amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 208, Noes 63.
118| Division No. 141] | [9.30 pm |
| AYES | |
| Ainsworth, Peter (East Surrey) | Burt, Alistair |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael (Selby) | Butcher, John |
| Allason, Rupert (Torbay) | Butler, Peter |
| Ancram, Michael | Carlisle, Sir Kenneth (Lincoln) |
| Arbuthnot, James | Carttiss, Michael |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Cash, William |
| Arnold, Sir Thomas (Hazel Grv) | Chapman, Sydney |
| Ashby, David | Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth (Ru'clif) |
| Atkins, Robert | Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey |
| Atkinson, David (Bour'mouth E) | Coe, Sebastian |
| Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) | Congdon, David |
| Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) | Conway, Derek |
| Baldry, Tony | Coombs, Anthony (Wyre For'st) |
| Bates, Michael | Coombs, Simon (Swindon) |
| Batiste, Spencer | Cope, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Bellingham, Henry | Couchman, James |
| Beresford, Sir Paul | Cran, James |
| Biffen, Rt Hon John | Davies, Quent'n (Stamford) |
| Body, Sir Richard | Davis, David (Boothferry) |
| Booth, Hartley | Day, Stephen |
| Boswell, Tim | Deva, Nirj Joseph |
| Bowis, John | Devlin, Tim |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Sir Rhodes | Dicks, Terry |
| Brandreth, Gyles | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James |
| Brazier, Julian | Dover, Den |
| Bright, Sir Graham | Duncan, Alan |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Duncan-Smith, Iain |
| Browning, Mrs Angela | Dunn, Bob |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset) | Durant, Sir Anthony |
| Budgen, Nicholas | Dykes, Hugh |
| Burns, Simon | Elletson, Harold |
| Evans, David (Welwyn Hatfield) | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
| Evans, Jonathan (Brecon) | Monro, Sir Hector |
| Evans, Nigel (Ribble Valley) | Nelson, Anthony |
| Evans, Roger (Monmouth) | Neubert, Sir Michael |
| Faber, David | Nicholls, Patrick |
| Fabricant, Michael | Nicholson, David (Taunton) |
| Fenner, Dame Peggy | Oppenheim, Phillip |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Ottaway, Richard |
| Fishbum, Dudley | Page, Richard |
| Forman, Nigel | Paice, James |
| Forsyth, Rt Hon Michael (Stirling) | Patnick, Sir Irvine |
| Forth, Eric | Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Fox, Dr Liam (Woodspring) | Pickles, Eric |
| Freeman, Rt Hon Roger | Porter, David (Waveney) |
| French, Douglas | Portillo, Rt Hon Michael |
| Fry, Sir Peter | Rathbone, Tim |
| Gale, Roger | Richards, Rod |
| Gallie, Phil | Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm |
| Gardiner, Sir George | Robertson, Raymond (Ab'd'n S) |
| Gill, Christopher | Robinson, Mark (Somerton) |
| Gillan, Cheryl | Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxboume) |
| Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles | Rowe, Andrew (Mid Kent) |
| Gorman, Mrs Teresa | Ryder, Rt Hon Richard |
| Gorst, Sir John | Sackville, Tom |
| Grant,Sir A(SW Cambs) | Shaw, David (Dover) |
| Greenway, Harry (Eating N) | Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) |
| Greenway, John (Ryedale) | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth, N) | Shersby, Michael |
| Hague, William | Sims, Roger |
| Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archibald | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Hampson, Dr Keith | Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) |
| Hannam, Sir John | Soames, Nicholas |
| Hargreaves, Andrew | Spencer, Sir Derek |
| Harris, David | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Heald, Oliver | Spink, Dr Robert |
| Hendry, Charles | Sproat, Iain |
| Hicks, Robert | Squire, Robin (Hornchurch) |
| Hill, James (Southampton Test) | Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Hordem, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Stephen, Michael |
| Howard, Rt Hon Michael | Stem, Michael |
| Howarth, Alan (Strat'rd-on-A) | Streeter, Gary |
| Hughes, Robert G (Harrow W) | Sumberg, David |
| Hunt, Sir John (Ravensboume) | Sykes, John |
| Hunter, Andrew | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Jack, Michael | Taylor, Sir Teddy (Southend, E) |
| Jackson, Robert (Wantage) | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Jenkin, Bernard | Thomason, Roy |
| Jessel, Toby | Thompson, Sir Donald (Cer V) |
| Jones, Robert B (W Hertfdshr) | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine | Thornton, Sir Malcolm |
| King, Rt Hon Tom | Thumham, Peter |
| Knapman, Roger | Townsend, Cyril D (Bexl'yh'th) |
| Knight, Mrs Angela (Erewash) | Trotter, Neville |
| Knight, Greg (Derby N) | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Knox, Sir David | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Kynoch, George (Kincardine) | Walker, Bill (N Tayside) |
| Lait, Mrs Jacqui | Waller, Gary |
| Lang, Rt Hon Ian | Ward, John |
| Lawrence, Sir Ivan | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Legg, Barry | Waterson, Nigel |
| Lennox-Boyd, Sir Mark | Watts, John |
| Lidington, David | Wells, Bowen |
| Lightbown, David | Whitney, Ray |
| Lord, Michael | Whittingdale, John |
| Luff, Peter | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas | Wiggin, Sir Jerry |
| MacKay, Andrew | Wilkinson, John |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Willetts, David |
| Maitland, Lady Olga | Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton) |
| Malone, Gerald | Wolfson, Mark |
| Marlow, Tony | Young, Rt Hon Sir George |
| Martin, David (Portsmouth S) | |
| Mawhinney, Rt Hon Dr Brian | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Merchant, Piers | Mr. Timothy Wood and |
| Mills, Iain | Mr. Timothy Kirkhope. |
| NOES | |
| Adams, Mrs Irene | Kennedy, Charles (Ross, C&S) |
| Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy | Liddell, Mrs Helen |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | McAllion, John |
| Barnes, Harry | McAvoy, Thomas |
| Battle, John | McFall, John |
| Betts, Clive | McKelvey, William |
| Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) | Maclennan, Robert |
| Caravan, Dennis | McMaster, Gordon |
| Chisholm, Malcolm | Mahon, Alice |
| Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) | Marshall, David (Shettleston) |
| Cunningham, Jim (Covy SE) | Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll & Bute) |
| Dalyell, Tarn | O'Brien, William (Normanton) |
| Darling, Alistair | Olner, Bill |
| Davidson, Ian | Pike, Peter L |
| Dixon, Don | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Donohoe, Brian H | Raynsford, Nick |
| Dowd, Jim | Redmond, Martin |
| Dunnachie, Jimmy | Reid, Dr John |
| Rendel, David | |
| Ewing, Mrs Margaret | Robertson, George (Hamilton) |
| Flynn, Paul | Rooney, Terry |
| Foster, Don (Bath) | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| Fyfe, Maria | Simpson, Alan |
| Galbraith, Sam | Skinner, Dennis |
| Golding, Mrs Uin | Spellar, John |
| Graham, Thomas | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| Hanson, David | Wallace, James |
| Hardy, Peter | Welsh, Andrew |
| Hoyie, Doug | Wray, Jimmy |
| Illsley, Eric | |
| Ingram, Adam | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Jones, Barry (Alyn and D'side) | Dr. Norman A. Godman and |
| Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C) | Mr. Michael Conarty. |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.