HC Deb 19 October 1994 vol 248 cc351-5

Lords amendment: No. 72, in page 56, line 42, leave out subsection (2) and insert—

("(2) Subject to subsection (2A), a person who is present on the premises as a trespasser at any time during the currency of the order commits an offence.

(2A) No offence under subsection (2) is committed by a person if—

  1. (a) he leaves the premises within 24 hours of the time of service of the order and does not return; or
  2. (b) a copy of the order was not fixed to the premises in accordance with rules of court.

(2B) A person who was in occupation of the premises at the time of service of the order but leaves them commits an offence if he re-enters the premises as a trespasser or attempts to do so after the expiry of the order but within the period of one year beginning with the day on which it was served.")

Amendment proposed to the Lords. amendment: (b), in line 9, at end insert—

'(c) evidence is produced to a court which satisfies that court of the entitlement of the person to occupy the premises other than as a trespasser.'. —[Mr. Michael.]

Question put, That the amendment to the Lords amendment be made:—

The House proceeded to a Division

Dr. John Gilbert(seated and covered) (Dudley, East)

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I have to report to you, Sir, that access to the House is being impeded by certain members of the Metropolitan police. Cars are being allowed down Whitehall, the Embankment and Victoria street, but I was advised to walk through Birdcage walk to make the Division. I had to get out of my taxi and walk quickly. No doubt there may be other hon. Members who will not know of the police activity. I explained to the policeman that I was a Member of the House and that there was a Division pending.

Mr. Deputy Speaker (Mr. Michael Morris)

I am most grateful to the right hon. Gentleman. I have had a report from the Serjeant at Arms that there are difficulties, and I have asked for a further report. We will make a judgment when we see what happens. I am relying on hon. Members' ingenuity at the moment.

The House having divided: Ayes 250, Noes 290.

Division No. 308] [8.17 pm
AYES
Abbott, Ms Diane Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli)
Adams, Mrs Irene Denham, John
Ainger, Nick Dewar, Donald
Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) Dixon, Don
Allen, Graham Dobson, Frank
Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) Donohoe, Brian H.
Anderson, Ms Janet Dunnachie, Jimmy
(Ros'dale) Eagle, Ms Angela
Armstrong, Hilary Eastham, Ken
Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy Enright, Derek
Ashton, Joe Etherington, Bill
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Evans, John (St Helens N)
Barnes, Harry Ewing, Mrs Margaret
Barron, Kevin Field, Frank (Birkenhead)
Battle, John Flynn, Paul
Beckett, Rt Hon Margaret Foster, Don (Bath)
Beith, Rt Hon A. J. Foster, Rt Hon Derek
Bell, Stuart Foulkes, George
Benn, Rt Hon Tony Fraser, John
Bennett, Andrew F. Fyfe, Maria
Benton, Joe Galloway, George
Bermingham, Gerald Gapes, Mike
Betts, Clive Garrett, John
Blair, Tony George, Bruce
Blunkett, David Gerrard, Neil
Boyes, Roland Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John
Bradley, Keith Godman, Dr Norman A.
Bray, Dr Jeremy Godsiff, Roger
Brown, Gordon (Dunfermline E) Graham, Thomas
Brown, N. (N'c'tle upon Tyne E) Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)
Burden, Richard Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)
Byers, Stephen Grocott, Bruce
Caborn, Richard Gunnell, John
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) Hain, Peter
Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) Hall, Mike
Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V) Hanson, David
Campbell-Savours, D. N. Hardy, Peter
Canavan, Dennis Harman, Ms Harriet
Cann, Jamie Henderson, Doug
Chidgey, David Heppell, John
Chisholm, Malcolm Hill, Keith (Streatham)
Church, Judith Hinchliffe, David
Clapham, Michael Hodge, Margaret
Clark, Dr David (South Shields) Hoey, Kate
Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) Hogg, Norman (Cumbernauld)
Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) Home Robertson, John
Clelland, David Hood, Jimmy
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Hoon, Geoffrey
Coffey, Ann Howarth, George (Knowsley N)
Connarty, Michael Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd)
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Hoyle, Doug
Cook, Robin (Livingston) Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N)
Corbett, Robin Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)
Corbyn, Jeremy Hughes, Simon (Southwark)
Corston, Jean Hutton, John
Cousins, Jim Illsley, Eric
Cummings, John Ingram, Adam
Cunliffe, Lawrence Jackson, Glenda (H'stead)
Cunningham, Jim (Covy SE) Jackson, Helen (Shef'ld, H)
Cunningham, Rt Hon Dr John Jones, Barry (Alyn and D'side)
Dafis, Cynog Jones, Ieuan Wyn (Ynys Mofln)
Dalyell, Tam Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C)
Darling, Alistair Jones, Lynne (B'ham S O)
Davidson, Ian Keen, Alan
Davies, Bryan (Oldham C'tral) Kennedy, Jane (Lpool Brdgn)
Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) Khabra, Piara S.
Kilfoyle, Peter Quin, Ms Joyce
Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil (Islwyn) Radice, Giles
Kirkwood, Archy Randall, Stuart
Lestor, Joan (Eccles) Raynsford, Nick
Lewis, Terry Redmond, Martin
Liddell, Mrs Helen Reid, Dr John
Litherland, Robert Rendel, David
Livingstone, Ken Robertson, George (Hamilton)
Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) Robinson, Geoffrey (Co'try NW)
Llwyd, Elfyn Roche, Mrs. Barbara
Loyden, Eddie Rogers, Allan
Lynne, Ms Liz Rooker, Jeff
Mackinlay, Andrew Rooney, Terry
MacShane, Denis Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
Madden, Max Rowlands, Ted
Mahon, Alice Ruddock, Joan
Marek, Dr John Salmond, Alex
Marshall, David (Shettleston) Sedgemore, Brian
Marshall, Jim (Leicester, S) Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Martin, Michael J. (Springburn) Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Martlew, Eric Short, Clare
McAllion, John Simpson, Alan
McAvoy, Thomas Skinner, Dennis
McCartney, Ian Smith, Andrew (Oxford E)
McFall, John Smith, C. (Isl'ton S & F's bury)
McKelvey, William Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent)
McLeish, Henry Snape, Peter
McNamara, Kevin Soley, Clive
McWilliam, John Spearing, Nigel
Meacher, Michael Speller, John
Meale, Alan Steel, Rt Hon Sir David
Michael, Alun Stevenson, George
Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) Stott, Roger
Milburn, Alan Strang, Dr. Gavin
Miller, Andrew Straw, Jack
Mitchell, Austin (Gt Grimsby) Sutcliffe, Gerry
Moonie, Dr Lewis Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Morgan, Rhodri Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Morley, Elliot Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck)
Morris, Estelle (B'ham Yardley) Timms, Stephen
Mowlam, Marjorie Tipping, Paddy
Mudie, George Turner, Dennis
Mullin, Chris Tyler, Paul
Murphy, Paul Vaz, Keith
O'Brien, Michael (N W'kshire) Walker, Rt Hon Sir Harold
O'Brien, William (Normanton) Walley, Joan
O'Neill, Martin Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon Wareing, Robert N
Olner, William Watson, Mike
Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Welsh, Andrew
Parry, Robert Wigley, Dafydd
Patchett, Terry Williams, Alan W (Carmarthen)
Pendry, Tom Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Sw'n W)
Pickthall, Colin Winnick, David
Pike, Peter L. Wise, Audrey
Pope, Greg Worthington, Tony
Prentice, Bridget (Lew'm E) Wray, Jimmy
Prentice, Gordon (Pendle) Wright, Dr Tony
Prescott, John Tellers for the Ayes:
Primarolo, Dawn Mr. Gordon McMaster and
Purchase, Ken Mr. Jim Dowd
NOES
Ainsworth, Peter (East Surrey) Atkins, Robert
Aitken, Jonathan Atkinson, David (Bour'mouth E)
Alexander, Richard Atkinson, Pete (Hexham)
Alison, Rt Hon Michael (Selby) Baker, Nicholas (Dorset North)
Allason, Rupert (Torbay) Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley)
Amess, David Baldry, Tony
Ancram, Michael Banks, Matthew (Southport)
Arbuthnot, James Banks, Robert (Harrogate)
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Bates, Michael
Arnold, Sir Thomas (Hazel Grv) Batiste, Spencer
Ashby, David Bellingham, Henry
Aspinwall, Jack Bendall, Vivian
Beresford, Sir Paul Garel-Jones, Rt Hon Tristan
Biffen, Rt Hon John Garnier, Edward
Body, Sir Richard Gill, Christopher
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Goodlad, Rt Hon Alastair
Booth, Hartley Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles
Boswell, Tim Grant, Sir A. (Cambs SW)
Bottomley, Peter (Eltham) Greenway, Harry (Ealing N)
Bottomley, Rt Hon Virginia Greenway, John (Ryedale)
Bowden, Sir Andrew Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth, N)
Bowis, John Grylls, Sir Michael
Boyson, Rt Hon Sir Rhodes Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn
Brandreth, Gyles Hague, William
Brazier, Julian Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Bright, Graham Hanley, Rt Hon Jeremy
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Hannam, Sir John
Brown, M. (Brigg " Cl'thorpes) Hanson, David
Browning, Mrs. Angela Harris, David
Bruce, Ian (S Dorset) Haselhurst, Alan
Budgen, Nicholas Hawkins, Nick
Burns, Simon Hawksley, Warren
Burt, Alistair Hayes, Jerry
Butcher, John Heald, Oliver
Butler, Peter Heathcoat-Amory, David
Butterfill, John Hendry, Charles
Carlisle, John (Luton North) Hicks, Robert
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Higgins, Rt Hon Sir Terence L.
Carrington, Matthew Hill, James (Southampton Test)
Carttiss, Michael Horam, John
Cash, William Hordern, Rt Hon Sir Peter
Channon, Rt Hon Paul Howard, Rt Hon Michael
Chapman, Sydney Howarth, Alan (Strat'rd-on-A)
Churchill, Mr Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford)
Clappison, James Hughes Robert G. (Harrow W)
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Hunt, Rt Hon David (Wirral W)
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne)
Coe, Sebastian Hunter, Andrew
Congdon, David Jack, Michael
Cope, Rt Hon Sir John Jackson, Robert (Wantage)
Couchman, James Jenkin, Bernard
Cran, James Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Currie, Mrs Edwina (S D'by'ire) Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N)
Davies, Quentin (Starnford) Jones, Robert B. (W Hertfdshr)
Davis, David (Boothferry) Jopling, Rt Hon Michael
Day, Stephen Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine
Deva, Nirj Joseph Key, Robert
Devlin, Tim Kilfedder, Sir James
Dorrell, Rt Hon Stephen King, Rt Hon Tom
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Kirkhope, Timothy
Dover, Den Knapman, Roger
Duncan, Alan Knight, Dame Jill (Bir'm E'st'n)
Duncan-Smith, Iain Knight, Greg (Derby N)
Durant, Sir Anthony Knox, Sir David
Dykes, Hugh Kynoch, George (Kincardine)
Eggar, Tim Lait, Mrs Jacqui
Elletson, Harold Lang, Rt Hon Ian
Emery, Rt Hon Sir Peter Lawrence, Sir Ivan
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatfield) Legg, Barry
Evans, Jonathan (Brecon) Leigh, Edward
Evans, Nigel (Ribble Valley) Lennox-Boyd, Sir Mark
Evans, Roger (Monmouth) Lester, Jim (Broxtowe)
Evennett, David Lidington, David
Faber, David Lightbown, David
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) Lilley, Rt Hon Peter
Fishburn, Dudley Lloyd, Rt Hon Peter (Fareham)
Forman, Nigel Lord, Michael
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) Luff, Peter
Forsythe, Clifford (Antrim S) Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas
Forth, Eric MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman MacKey, Andrew
Fox, Dr Liam (Woodspring) Maclean, David
Fox, Sir Marcus (Shipley) Madel, Sir David
Freeman, Rt Hon Roger Malone, Gerald
French, Douglas Mans, Keith
Gale, Roger Marland, Paul
Gardiner, Sir George Marlow, Tony
Marshall, John (Hendon S) Soamas, Nicholas
Martin, David (Portsmouth S) Speed, Sir Keith
Mawhinney, Rt Hon Dr Brian Spencer, Sir Derek
McCrea, Rev William Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
McLoughlin, Patrick Spicer, Sir James (W Dorset)
McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick Spring, Richard
Mellor, Rt Hon David Sproat, Iain
Merchant, Piers Squire, Robin (Hornchurch)
Mills, Iain Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John
Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) Steen, Anthony
Mitchell, Sir David (Hants NW) Stephen, Michael
Moate, Sir Roger Stern, Michael
Molyneaux, Rt Hon James Stewart, Allan
Monro, Sir Hector Streeter, Gary
Montgomery, Sir Fergus Sumberg, David
Moss, Malcolm Sweeney, Walter
Nelson, Anthony Sykes, John
Neubert, Sir Michael Tapsell, Sir Peter
Newton, Rt Hon Tony Taylor, Ian (Esher)
Nicholson, David (Taunton) Taylor, John M. (Solihull)
Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) Temple-Morris, Peter
Norris, Steve Thomason, Roy
Onslow, Rt Hon Sir Cranley Thompson, Sir Donald (C'er V)
Oppenheim, Phillip Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Ottaway, Richard Thurnham, Peter
Page, Richard Townsend, Cyril D. (Bexl'yh'th)
Paice, James Tracey, Richard
Paisley, Rev Ian Tredinnick, David
Patnick, Sir Irvine Trend, Michael
Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Trimble, David
Pawsey, James Trotter, Naville
Pickles, Eric Twinn, Dr Ian
Porter, Barry (Wirral S) Vaughan, Sir Gerard
Portillo, Rt Hon Michael Viggers, Peter
Powell, William (Corby) Waldegrave, Rt Hon William
Redwood, Rt Hon John Walden, George
Renton, Rt Hon Tim Walker, A. Cecil (Belfast N)
Richards, Rod Walker, Bill (N Tayside)
Riddick, Graham Waller, Gary
Rifkind, Rt Hon. Malcolm Ward, John
Robathan, Andrew Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Roberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn Waterson, Nigel
Robertson, Raymond (Ab'd'n S) Wells, Bowen
Robinson, Mark (Somerton) Wheeler, Rt Hon Sir John
Robinson, Peter (Belfast E) Whitney, Ray
Rumbold, Rt Hon Darne Angela Whittingdale, John
Ryder, Rt Hon Richard Widdecombe, Ann
Sackville, Tom Wiggin, Sir Jerry
Sainsbury, Rt Hon Tim Wilkinson, John
Scott, Rt Hon Nicholas Willetts, David
Shaw, David (Dover) Winterton, Mrs Ann (Congleton)
Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) Winterton, Nicholas (Macc'f'ld)
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Wolfson, Mark
Shersby, Michael Yeo, Tim
Sims, Roger Young, Rt Hon Sir George
Skeet, Sir Trevor Tellers for the Noes:
Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) Timothy Wood and
Smyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S) Derek Conway

Question accordingly negatived.

Subsequent Lords amendments agreed to.

Forward to