HC Deb 18 May 1994 vol 243 cc899-902

Amendment proposed: No. 10, in page 138, leave out lines 18 to 23 and insert— '3. The members of an authority shall be—

  1. (a) such number of elected councillors as the councils in the area covered by the authority shall by agreement determine and shall be appointed by those councils (in this schedule referred to as the "appointing authorities"),
  2. (b) the person who is for the time being the chief executive of the authority.'.—[Mr. McLeish.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 238, Noes 252.

Division No. 245] [8.45 pm
AYES
Abbott, Ms Diane Benton, Joe
Adams, Mrs Irene Bermingham, Gerald
Ainger, Nick Berry, Roger
Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) Betts, Clive
Allen, Graham Blair, Tony
Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) Blunkett, David
Anderson, Ms Janet (Ros'dale) Boyes, Roland
Armstrong, Hilary Bradley, Keith
Ashton, Joe Bray, Dr Jeremy
Austin-Walker, John Brown, Gordon (Dunfermline E)
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Brown, N. (N'c'tle upon Tyne E)
Barnes, Harry Burden, Richard
Barron, Kevin Byers, Stephen
Battle, John Caborn, Richard
Beckett, Rt Hon Margaret Callaghan, Jim
Bell, Stuart Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge)
Benn, Rt Hon Tony Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)
Bennett, Andrew F. Campbell, Ronnie (Blyth V)
Campbell-Savours, D. N. Hutton, John
Canavan, Dennis Ingram, Adam
Carlile, Alexander (Montgomry) Jackson, Glenda (H'stead)
Chisholm, Malcolm Jamieson, David
Clapham, Michael Johnston, Sir Russell
Clark, Dr David (South Shields) Jones, Barry (Alyn and D'side)
Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) Jones, Lynne (B'ham S O)
Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) Jones, Martyn (Clwyd, SW)
Clelland, David Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham)
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald
Coffey, Ann Kennedy, Charles (Ross,C&S)
Connarty, Michael Kennedy, Jane (Lpool Brdgn)
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Khabra, Piara S.
Corbyn, Jeremy Kilfoyle, Peter
Corston, Ms Jean Kirkwood, Archy
Cousins, Jim Lewis, Terry
Cummings, John Livingstone, Ken
Cunningham, Jim (Covy SE) Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)
Dafis, Cynog Llwyd, Elfyn
Dalyell, Tam Loyden, Eddie
Darling, Alistair Lynne, Ms Liz
Davidson, Ian McAllion, John
Davies, Bryan (Oldham C'tral) McAvoy, Thomas
Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) McCartney, Ian
Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'dge H'I) Macdonald, Calum
Dixon, Don McFall, John
Dobson, Frank McKelvey, William
Donohoe, Brian H. McLeish, Henry
Dowd, Jim Maclennan, Robert
Dunnachie, Jimmy McMaster, Gordon
Eagle, Ms Angela McNamara, Kevin
Eastham, Ken MacShane, Denis
Enright, Derek McWilliam, John
Etherington, Bill Madden, Max
Evans, John (St Helens N) Maddock, Mrs Diana
Ewing, Mrs Margaret Marek, Dr John
Fatchett, Derek Marshall, David (Shettleston)
Field, Frank (Birkenhead) Martlew, Eric
Fisher, Mark Maxton, John
Flynn, Paul Meale, Alan
Foster, Rt Hon Derek Michael, Alun
Foster, Don (Bath) Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)
Foulkes, George Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll Bute)
Fraser, John Milburn, Alan
Fyfe, Maria Miller, Andrew
Galloway, George Moonie, Dr Lewis
Gapes, Mike Morley, Elliot
Garrett, John Morris, Rt Hon A. (Wy'nshawe)
George, Bruce Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Gerrard, Neil Mowlam, Marjorie
Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John Mudie, George
Godman, Dr Norman A. Mullin, Chris
Godsiff, Roger Murphy, Paul
Golding, Mrs Llin Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Gordon, Mildred O'Brien, William (Normanton)
Graham, Thomas O'Hara, Edward
Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) Olner, William
Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) O'Neill, Martin
Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Grocott, Bruce Parry, Robert
Gunnell, John Patchett, Terry
Hain, Peter Pendry, Tom
Hall, Mike Pickthall, Colin
Hanson, David Pike, Peter L.
Hardy, Peter Pope, Greg
Harvey, Nick Powell, Ray (Ogmore)
Henderson, Doug Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lew'm E)
Heppell, John Prentice, Gordon (Pendle)
Hill, Keith (Streatham) Prescott, John
Hinchliffe, David Primarolo, Dawn
Hoey, Kate Quin, Ms Joyce
Hogg, Norman (Cumbemauld) Radice, Giles
Home Robertson, John Raynsford, Nick
Hood, Jimmy Redmond, Martin
Howarth, George (Knowsley N) Reid, Dr John
Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd) Rendel, David
Hoyle, Doug Robertson, George (Hamilton)
Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) Roche, Mrs. Barbara
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Rogers, Allan
Hughes, Roy (Newport E) Rooker, Jeff
Rooney, Terry Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck)
Rowlands, Ted Tyler, Paul
Ruddock, Joan Walker, Rt Hon Sir Harold
Salmond, Alex Wallace, James
Sedgemore, Brian Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Sheerman, Barry Wareing, Robert N
Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert Watson, Mike
Shore, Rt Hon Peter Welsh, Andrew
Short, Clare Wicks, Malcolm
Simpson, Alan Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Sw'n W)
Skinner, Dennis Williams, Alan W (Carmarthen)
Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) Wilson, Brian
Smith, C. (Isl'ton S & F'sbury) Winnick, David
Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent) Wise, Audrey
Soley, Clive Worthington, Tony
Spearing, Nigel Wray, Jimmy
Spellar, John Wright, Dr Tony
Squire, Rachel (Dunfermline W) Young, David (Bolton SE)
Stevenson, George
Stott, Roger Tellers for the Ayes:
Strang, Dr. Gavin Mr. Eric Illsley and
Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) Mr. Jon Owen Jones.
NOES
Ainsworth, Peter (East Surrey) Conway, Derek
Alexander, Richard Coombs, Anthony (Wyre For'st)
Alison, Rt Hon Michael (Selby) Coombs, Simon (Swindon)
Allason, Rupert (Torbay) Cope, Rt Hon Sir John
Amess, David Couchman, James
Arbuthnot, James Curry, David (Skipton & Ripon)
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Davies, Quentin (Stamford)
Arnold, Sir Thomas (Hazel Grv) Davis, David (Boothferry)
Ashby, David Day, Stephen
Aspinwall, Jack Deva, Nirj Joseph
Atkins, Robert Devlin, Tim
Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) Dickens, Geoffrey
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset North) Dicks, Terry
Baldry, Tony Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James
Banks, Matthew (Southport) Dover, Den
Banks, Robert (Harrogate) Duncan, Alan
Bates, Michael Duncan-Smith, Iain
Batiste, Spencer Dunn, Bob
Bellingham, Henry Durant, Sir Anthony
Bendall, Vivian Elletson, Harold
Beresford, Sir Paul Evans, Jonathan (Brecon)
Biffen, Rt Hon John Evans, Nigel (Ribble Valley)
Blackburn, Dr John G. Evans, Roger (Monmouth)
Body, Sir Richard Evennett, David
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Fabricant, Michael
Booth, Hartley Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas
Boswell, Tim Fenner, Dame Peggy
Bottomley, Peter (Eltham) Fishburn, Dudley
Bottomley, Rt Hon Virginia Forman, Nigel
Bowden, Andrew Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Bowis, John Forth, Eric
Boyson, Rt Hon Sir Rhodes Fox, Dr Liam (Woodspring)
Brandreth, Gyles Fox, Sir Marcus (Shipley)
Brazier, Julian Freeman, Rt Hon Roger
Bright, Graham Fry, Sir Peter
Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thorpes) Gale, Roger
Browning, Mrs. Angela Gardiner, Sir George
Bruce, Ian (S Dorset) Garel-Jones, Rt Hon Tristan
Budgen, Nicholas Garnier, Edward
Burns, Simon Gill, Christopher
Burt, Alistair Gillan, Cheryl
Butcher, John Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles
Butler, Peter Gorman, Mrs Teresa
Carlisle, John (Luton North) Gorst, John
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Grant, Sir A. (Cambs SW)
Carrington, Matthew Greenway, Harry (Ealing N)
Cash, William Greenway, John (Ryedale)
Chapman, Sydney Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth, N)
Churchill, Mr Grylls, Sir Michael
Clappison, James Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Hague, William
Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth (Ruclif) Hamilton, Rt Hon Sir Archie
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Coe, Sebastian Hannam, Sir John
Congdon, David Hargreaves, Andrew
Harris, David Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Haselhurst, Alan Pawsey, James
Hawkins, Nick Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth
Hayes, Jerry Pickles, Eric
Heald, Oliver Porter, Barry (Wirral S)
Heathcoat-Amory, David Porter, David (Waveney)
Hendry, Charles Redwood, Rt Hon John
Hicks, Robert Richards, Rod
Higgins, Rt Hon Sir Terence L. Riddick, Graham
Hill, James (Southampton Test) Robathan, Andrew
Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas (G'tham) Roberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn
Horam, John Robertson, Raymond (Ab'd'n S)
Howard, Rt Hon Michael Robinson, Mark (Somerton)
Howarth, Alan (Strat'rd-on-A) Rowe, Andrew (Mid Kent)
Howell, Sir Ralph (N Norfolk) Ryder, Rt Hon Richard
Hughes Robert G. (Harrow W) Sackville, Tom
Hunt, Rt Hon David (Wirral W) Scott, Rt Hon Nicholas
Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne) Shaw, David (Dover)
Hunter, Andrew Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey)
Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas Shephard, Rt Hon Gillian
Jackson, Robert (Wantage) Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge)
Jenkin, Bernard Skeet, Sir Trevor
Jessel, Toby Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey Soames, Nicholas
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) Speed, Sir Keith
Jones, Robert B. (W Hertfdshr) Spencer, Sir Derek
Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Key, Robert Spink, Dr Robert
Kirkhope, Timothy Spring, Richard
Knapman, Roger Sproat, Iain
Knight, Mrs Angela (Erewash) Squire, Robin (Hornchurch)
Knight, Greg (Derby N) Steen, Anthony
Knight, Dame Jill (Bir'm E'st'n) Stephen, Michael
Knox, Sir David Stern, Michael
Kynoch, George (Kincardine) Stewart, Allan
Lait, Mrs Jacqui Streeter, Gary
Lang, Rt Hon Ian Sumberg, David
Lawrence, Sir Ivan Sweeney, Walter
Legg, Barry Sykes, John
Leigh, Edward Tapsell, Sir Peter
Lidington, David Taylor, Ian (Esher)
Lightbown, David Taylor, John M. (Solihull)
Lloyd, Rt Hon Peter (Fareham) Taylor, Sir Teddy (Southend, E)
Lord, Michael Temple-Morris, Peter
Luff, Peter Thompson, Sir Donald (C'er V)
MacGregor, Rt Hon John Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)
Maclean, David Thumham, Peter
McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick Townend, John (Bridlington)
Malone, Gerald Townsend, Cyril D. (Bexl'yh'th)
Mans, Keith Tracey, Richard
Marlow, Tony Tredinnick, David
Marshall, John (Hendon S) Trend, Michael
Marshall, Sir Michael (Arundel) Trotter, Neville
Martin, David (Portsmouth S) Twinn, Dr Ian
Mates, Michael Viggers, Peter
Mawhinney, Rt Hon Dr Brian Walden, George
Merchant, Piers Waller, Gary
Mills, Iain Ward, John
Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Moate, Sir Roger Waterson, Nigel
Montgomery, Sir Fergus Watts, John
Moss, Malcolm Wells, Bowen
Newton, Rt Hon Tony Widdecombe, Ann
Nicholls, Patrick Wiggin, Sir Jerry
Nicholson, David (Taunton) Willetts, David
Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) Wilshire, David
Norris, Steve Wolfson, Mark
Onslow, Rt Hon Sir Cranley Yeo, Tim
Oppenheim, Phillip Young, Rt Hon Sir George
Ottaway, Richard
Page, Richard Tellers for the Noes:
Paice, James Mr. Andrew MacKay and
Patnick, Irvine Mr. Timothy Wood.

Question accordingly negatived.

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