HC Deb 14 July 1992 vol 211 cc1069-79

Question again proposed.

Mr. Porter

The other point that stuck in the fishermen's throats was that they would watch from ports, their boats tied up, while our competitors laughed all the way to Dogger bank and beyond.

My hon. Friends have listened to the deep-seated objections that I and others have, and I am pleased that I feel justified for sticking out against the Bill on Second Reading. Inevitably, the fight must now move to the other place because the Bill will clearly receive the Third Reading tonight. In the other place, the strength of the undertakings given here by my hon. Friend the Minister will be tested. Should they prove inadequate, the Bill must return to this place for consideration of Lords amendments.

We have said often enough that the decommissioning part of the package is not enough as it has come three years too late. It does not cover the whole industry and it will not succeed in reducing the fleet. If the Bill achieves that through bankruptcy, we will see the truly unacceptable face of the common fisheries policy.

We have had no real debate about the CFP tonight. On Second Reading, I called the CFP a raft of measures, restrictions, curbs, quotas and red tape which fail each year. So what do we do? We come back and pile more such restrictions and curbs on the raft in a desperate attempt to make it work. The Bill is just the latest pile on the raft.

Eventually, the weight of restrictions will sink the raft. In the meantime, the recognisably British activity of sea fishing for a living may be all but wiped out. What a shame that we do not have the guts to scupper it now in lieu of the CFP mid-term review and start again, but this time from the starting point that we have—just: a viable British fishing industry. Let us work together to see how we can make it stay that way, given the realities of the fish stocks.

The Bill has united the industry against it. That is an unprecedented advantage and a baseline for future discussion. Although I do not like it, I recognise the reality of the situation that we, the industry, the country and my hon. Friend the Minister are in. We have wrung some concessions to make the Bill at least a little less unpalatable. That is a gain, given that this is not the end of the voyage. If the Bill had to be introduced at all, I wish that we could have done this much weeks ago.

10.3 pm

Mr. Austin Mitchell

I shall be brief, but I must express the opposition of a united Grimsby fishing industry, while it is still England's premier fishing port, to the Bill. It is a bad Bill. The Minister's rant at the beginning of this Third Reading debate was typical of his approach to the Bill. It has been pushed through without consultation, without answering any of the questions and in a dictatorial fashion. It has been imposed on Back Benchers who should have stood up for the industry.

The Bill has all the hallmarks of bad government. The speed with which it has been enacted, the lack of consultation and the lack of co-operation that it is going to get from the fishermen of this country mean that the Bill is not a workable measure. It is a disastrous measure.

The Bill is bureaucratic, because the Government think that it is simple to count vessels in ports, especially when they are not at sea. The Bill will be enormously complicated to administer and it will not even do anything about the main problem with which it is supposed to deal—conservation. It imposes a direct incentive on the industry to go to sea in the time allowed to catch as much fish, of whatever kind and size, to make up for the tie-up period. The Bill does not even impose proper conservation on the European fishing industry with which we are competing—it will still be allowed to fish untrammelled. As my hon. Friend the Member for Pembroke (Mr. Ainger) said, it will have no effect on the quota hoppers.

British fishermen are justified in feeling that they are being discriminated against. Quota hoppers registered in this country are now allowed to spend their days, when they should be tied up, in foreign ports where they will be unsupervised. How do we know that there will not be fishing? There will be fishing. That is discrimination against the British fishing industry.

The Minister has bought off Back Benchers who should have known better and who should have represented their fishing industry, with all its complaints and agonies and the loss of work and earnings that has been imposed on it and the blow that has been dealt to the most vulnerable people in the country. Conservative Members have just allowed a measure to go through with a concession that is no concession at all. If they let the Bill go through now, what possible chance have they of holding up its implementation later? The pass is now sold, and they have sold it for nothing—for no gains and no concessions from the Government. There is no chance now of stopping the measure. Conservative Members have even thrown away the chance to impose the better option, which is a gear option—bigger mesh sizes and better gear to give us proper conservation and deal with the problem. This is an appalling exercise in misjudgment, bad government and dictatorial behaviour.

A great responsibility is now imposed on the Minister, and I hope that, for once, he will listen to something that is being said to him. He has his measure. He has been able to impose it on Back Benchers who have been weak-willed and who have no guts to represent their fishermen. He has imposed the measure without consultation with the industry. That imposes an enormous responsibility on the Minister. He has been shown, by the ease with which he has got his measure through, that he can get away with anything. It is up to him now to deal justly and fairly with an industry that, until now, has been trampled on and to deal with it honourably, because he is an honourable man. It is up to him not to brutalise the industry in the way that the measure allows him to do but to cherish it, support it, help it and give it compensation and what it has not had in the Bill—a fair deal.

10.6 pm

Mr. Trotter

All too often, the Government's approach to the problems of the industry seem to be piecemeal. I still await the day when we shall see a plan that seeks to fit together the various courses of action that can be helpful in an inevitably difficult scenario. We seem to be seeking a unilateral solution to an international problem. One of the anxieties that the industry shares with me is that, through the Bill, we are seeking a system that is easily enforced—perhaps hard to administer bureaucratically, as some of my hon. Friends have pointed out, but easy in principle to enforce—while our competitors will be free to continue to adopt measures that do not lend themselves to enforcement. That is clearly unfair.

The Government have listened to what my hon. Friends and I have said—even if they have listened very late in the day—and they have made major concessions. My hon. Friend the Minister has made pledges that are of great value. I should like to consider what will happen in the next few months. We shall see further proceedings in another place. I am sure that the pledges that have been given today will be translated into Government amendments in the Upper House. I also expect very determined action by the Government on the international scene while we chair the European Commission. I very much hope that when we next debate this subject we will see perhaps not a level playing field but a smooth sea, so that the same conditions affect our industry as are seen to affect our competitors.

With the concessions made today, the Government have justified our support, but they are on trial, especially when they are in a position in Brussels to act to correct something that has been wrong for far too long.

10.8 pm

Mr. John D. Taylor

I must begin by congratulating the Minister on the way in which he has managed to destroy opposition on Government Benches. On 7 July, hon. Members attended Westminster central hall to listen to 3,500 fishermen from all parts of the United Kingdom. From the beginning to the end of the meeting, I sat at the back of the hall, and I was very impressed with speeches by Conservative Members who represented fishing constituencies and who promised fishermen that they would fight the Bill. They sat on the platform to be photographed, to be televised and to receive publicity.

The Minister destroyed that opposition tonight by the way in which he delivered his speech. He has certainly melted all opposition. The Conservative Members who, only a week ago, promised that they would support the fishermen of this kingdom, have tonight let them down.

The Bill is not welcomed by the fishing industry. There are many reasons for the opposition to it. It is criminal to recommend the imposition of a fine of £50,000 when a small boat just over 10m in length happens to breach the regulations. But the main reason for our opposition to the Bill is that it discriminates against British fishermen. The European Community has a common fisheries policy, but if the policy is indeed to be common it should be applied to all fishing boats, not just those from the United Kingdom. While we introduce legislation that disadvantages our fishing industry but enables other boats to come into our waters and take our fish, we shall damage our own industry.

The Minister made a brilliant Third Reading speech. It was what one expected from him. It was fluent and well-informed, and once again the hon. Gentleman demonstrated that he was on top of the subject. But anyone reading the speech in Hansard will see that he said at least four times that the fishing industry wants the Bill. I can tell him that the fishing industry of the United Kingdom does not want it. The industry sees it simply as a Government mechanism to introduce a decommissioning scheme on the cheap. If farmers can be properly compensated when they have to cut their production, we ought to have a proper decommissioning scheme to support our fishing industry, as other parts of the European Community have.

We in the parliamentary Ulster Unionist party will unite as a team and vote against the Bill.

10.12 pm
Mr. Steen

The problem at Third Reading has been caused largely by a lack of clarity as to what my hon. Friend the Minister actually said. I wonder whether, before we complete the Third Reading, my hon. Friend will spell out, in words that everybody, even my hon. Friend the Member for Harwich (Mr. Sproat), can understand, exactly what the concessions are. My understanding is that the legislation will be brought back to the House only when the Government are satisfied that the other European Governments are putting in place legislation that will have the same effect in this country as in their own. There is some confusion on both sides of the House as to whether it is only then that the Bill will be brought back for affirmative action. Before we vote on Third Reading, my hon. Friend the Minister should spell out, for the benefit of hon. Members on both sides of the House, exactly what the concessions are. The whole House ought to know on what it is voting.

That is the only contribution that I want to make to the Third Reading debate.

Hon. Members


Mr. Deputy Speaker (Mr. Michael Morris)


10.13 pm
Mr. Calum Macdonald (Western Isles)

The Minister wants to maintain the confusion. In Committee, he undertook to consider the possibility of Government and EC assistance for exploratory voyages in the fishing grounds west of the Hebrides in connection with French and other boats. Has he been able to come to any conclusions? If he cannot give me a reply tonight, perhaps he would write to me.

10.14 pm
Mr. Wilson

There has not been much humour during the passage of the Bill. In particular, there has not been much humour for fishermen. On the memorable day last week on which the fishermen came to London, the opinions of the British fishing industry were summed up by a banner outside the House of Commons, which said, "Skinner in, squirt out". I believe that that is an old piece of fishing terminology.

This is a bad, bureaucratic Bill based on a deeply flawed approach to conservation. I agree with my hon. Friend the Member for Greenock and Port Glasgow (Dr. Godman) that the Bill will go to the European Court and will be challenged legally. When it is challenged, that will surely be the first recorded case of a national Government being taken to court for discriminating against not the peoples of other countries but their own people.

Throughout the passage of the Bill, I have been appalled by the carelessness with which Conservative Members deal with other people's livelihoods. In what other industry would Members of Parliament vote for legislation which deliberately and systematically reduces to a pitiful level the number of days in the year on which people are allowed to go out and earn their livelihood? If Conservative Members were treated in that way in their part-time employment, never mind their full-time employment, and if their ability to earn was interfered with, they would rightly be aggrieved.

Once again, the Tories are setting up an enormous bureaucracy. They have set up a bureaucracy of tribunals and appeals. Every little boat in the country will have a number of days fishing set aside. If a Government of any other hue set up such a huge bureaucracy, Conservative Members would complain and talk about Stalinism, centralism and the rest. But willy-nilly in legislation such as this, they set up huge bureaucracies under which other people have to live.

Nothing in the Bill guarantees even the conservation ends to which the Bill pays lip service. In fishing ports throughout the country, fishing vessels and fishermen who do no harm to the cause of conservation will have the regulations and legislation imposed on them. Many of them will go out of business and many will be forced to yield up quotas. The people who are most protected from the legislation are those who do most damage to conservation. The fishermen who will be wiped out do no damage to the conservation of stocks. It is cruelty and it is against natural justice that the fishermen of the small, poor, less capital-intensive ports of the United Kingdom will have their traditional industry destroyed by the legislation.

In the interests of time, I shall be brief, but I shall not lightly forget and the constituents of Tory Members will not forget, Conservative Members who went to the rally across the road a week ago and trembled at the sight of 3,000 fishermen but came back and trembled even more when they went to see their Whips. In future, let us not give those Members the dignity of the name "Tory rebels". Let us call them what they are—Tory kippers, two faces and no guts.

The message to Conservative Members from the electorates of fishing constituencies will be that they can run but they cannot hide. No one will be interested in who abstained. Those constituents will look at who voted for the Bill and will consider that anyone who did so voted against them. The Members from fishing constituencies will either be true to what they said last week when the fishermen were here or they will spinelessly fail to vote against the legislation when the fishermen are not here.

10.17 pm
Sir Hector Monro

In Committee and today on Report and Third Reading, we have had a good-natured debate on an important subject, but we have understood the anger of the fishermen and their organisations and of some Members of Parliament. The hon. Member for Glanford and Scunthorpe (Mr. Morley) spoke of a slight concession. We made an important change to the Bill tonight as a result of consultations. We shall continue those consultations until the Bill returns from another place. That is some months away. Those consultations will be valuable and we shall use what news we have from the fishing industry to good effect. The hon. Member for Glanford and Scunthorpe underestimated the importance of the appeal tribunals, which we were glad to include in the Bill.

Conservative Members were disappointed that throughout the debate we heard so little about the Opposition's policies. They have never said how much they would put into decommissioning. As a result of the Bill, we shall put in £25 million, and that is part of our conservation package. We have no idea whether the Opposition would have matched that or would have put a higher figure on it. We do not know their views on mesh sizes, technical gear or effort elimination.

There was much talk of conservation from the Opposition Benches. They criticised every Government proposal but kept their own powder dry. We believe strongly in conservation, and the Bill is an important step forward. In a few years, our scientific advice will prove to be right, when fish stocks begin to increase.

My hon. Friend the minister of State and I want a profitable fishing industry, unfettered by controls. We want the burden of conservation to be shared equally throughout the Community. We shall achieve that, but it will take time, combined with effort by everyone, to reach the levels of conservation that we feel are essential.

The Bill is a usefull and valuable start and I commend it to the House.

Question put, That the Bill be now read the Third time:—

The House divided: Ayes 311, Noes 282.

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Adley, Robert Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Ainsworth, Peter (East Surrey) Colvin, Michael
Aitken, Jonathan Congdon, David
Alexander, Richard Conway, Derek
Alison, Rt Hon Michael (Selby) Coombs, Anthony (Wyre For'st)
Allason, Rupert (Torbay) Coombs, Simon (Swindon)
Amess, David Cope, Rt Hon Sir John
Ancram, Michael Cormack, Patrick
Arbuthnot, James Couchman, James
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Cran, James
Arnold, Sir Thomas (Hazel Grv) Currie, Mrs Edwina (S D'by'ire)
Aspinwall, Jack Curry, David (Skipton & Ripon)
Atkins, Robert Davies, Quentin (Stamford)
Atkinson, David (Bour'mouth E) Davis, David (Boothferry)
Atkinson, Peter (Hexham) Day, Stephen
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset North) Deva, Nirj Joseph
Baldry, Tony Devlin, Tim
Banks, Matthew (Southport) Dickens, Geoffrey
Banks, Robert (Harrogate) Dicks, Terry
Bates, Michael Dorrell, Stephen
Batiste, Spencer Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James
Bellingham, Henry Dover, Den
Bendall, Vivian Duncan, Alan
Beresford, Sir Paul Duncan-Smith, Iain
Blackburn, Dr John G. Dunn, Bob
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Durant, Sir Anthony
Booth, Hartley Dykes, Hugh
Bottomley, Peter (Eltham) Eggar, Tim
Bottomley, Rt Hon Virginia Elletson, Harold
Bowden, Andrew Emery, Sir Peter
Bowis, John Evans, David (Welwyn Hatfield)
Boyson, Rt Hon Sir Rhodes Evans, Jonathan (Brecon)
Brandreth, Gyles Evans, Nigel (Ribble Valley)
Brazier, Julian Evans, Roger (Monmouth)
Bright, Graham Evennett, David
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Faber, David
Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thorpes) Fabricant, Michael
Browning, Mrs. Angela Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas
Bruce, Ian (S Dorset) Fenner, Dame Peggy
Budgen, Nicholas Field, Barry (Isle of Wight)
Burns, Simon Fishburn, John Dudley
Burt, Alistair Forman, Nigel
Butcher, John Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Butler, Peter Forth, Eric
Butterfill, John Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman
Carlisle, John (Luton North) Fox, Dr Liam (Woodspring)
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Fox, Sir Marcus (Shipley)
Carrington, Matthew Freeman, Roger
Carttiss, Michael French, Douglas
Cash, William Fry, Peter
Channon, Rt Hon Paul Gale, Roger
Chaplin, Mrs Judith Gallie, Phil
Chapman, Sydney Gardiner, Sir George
Churchill, Mr Garel-Jones, Rt Hon Tristan
Clappison, James Gamier, Edward
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Gill, Christopher
Clarke, Rt Hon Kenneth (Ruclif) Gillan, Ms Cheryl
Goodlad, Rt Hon Alastair Marshall, John (Hendon S)
Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles Marshall, Sir Michael (Arundel)
Gorman, Mrs Teresa Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Gorst, John Mates, Michael
Grant, Sir Anthony (Cambs SW) Mawhinney, Dr Brian
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick
Greenway, John (Ryedale) Mellor, Rt Hon David
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth, N) Merchant, Piers
Grylls, Sir Michael Milligan, Stephen
Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn Mills, Iain
Hague, William Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Hamilton, Rt Hon Archie Mitchell, Sir David (Hants NW)
Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) Monro, Sir Hector
Hanley, Jeremy Montgomery, Sir Fergus
Hannam, Sir John Moss, Malcolm
Hargreaves, Andrew Needham, Richard
Haselhurst, Alan Nelson, Anthony
Hawkins, Nicholas Neubert, Sir Michael
Hawksley, Warren Newton, Rt Hon Tony
Hayes, Jerry Nicholls, Patrick
Heald, Oliver Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Heathcoat-Amory, David Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)
Hendry, Charles Norris, Steve
Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley
Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. Oppenheim, Phillip
Hogg, Rt Hon Douglas (G'tham) Ottaway, Richard
Horam, John Page, Richard
Hordern, Sir Peter Paice, James
Howard, Rt Hon Michael Patnick, Irvine
Howarth, Alan (Strafrd-on-A) Patten, Rt Hon John
Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Hughes Robert G. (Harrow W) Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth
Hunt, Rt Hon David (Wirral W) Pickles, Eric
Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne) Porter, Barry (Wirral S)
Hunter, Andrew Porter, David (Waveney)
Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas Portillo, Rt Hon Michael
Jack, Michael Powell, William (Corby)
Jackson, Robert (Wantage) Redwood, John
Jenkin, Bernard Renton, Rt Hon Tim
Jessel, Toby Richards, Rod
Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey Riddick, Graham
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) Rifkind, Rt Hon. Malcolm
Jones, Robert B. (W H'f'rdshire) Robathan, Andrew
Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Roberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn
Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine Robertson, Raymond (Ab'd'n S)
Key, Robert Robinson, Mark (Somerton)
Kilfedder, Sir James Roe, Mrs Marion (Broxbourne)
Knapman, Roger Rowe, Andrew (Mid Kent)
Knight, Mrs Angela (Erewash) Rumbold, Rt Hon Dame Angela
Knight, Greg (Derby N) Ryder, Rt Hon Richard
Knight, Dame Jill (Bir'm E'st'n) Sackville, Tom
Knox, David Sainsbury, Rt Hon Tim
Kynoch, George (Kincardine) Scott, Rt Hon Nicholas
Lait, Mrs Jacqui Shaw, David (Dover)
Lamont, Rt Hon Norman Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey)
Lang, Rt Hon Ian Shephard, Rt Hon Gillian
Lawrence, Sir Ivan Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Legg, Barry Shersby, Michael
Leigh, Edward Sims, Roger
Lennox-Boyd, Mark Skeet, Sir Trevor
Lester, Jim (Broxtowe) Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick)
Lidington, David Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
Lightbown, David Soames, Nicholas
Lilley, Rt Hon Peter Spencer, Sir Derek
Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) Spicer, Sir James (W Dorset)
Lord, Michael Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Luff, Peter Spink, Dr Robert
Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas Spring, Richard
MacGregor, Rt Hon John Sproat, Iain
MacKay, Andrew Squire, Robin (Hornchurch)
Maclean, David Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John
McLoughlin, Patrick Steen, Anthony
McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick Stephen, Michael
Madel, David Stern, Michael
Maitland, Lady Olga Stewart, Allan
Major, Rt Hon John Streeter, Gary
Malone, Gerald Sumberg, David
Mans, Keith Sweeney, Walter
Marland, Paul Sykes, John
Marlow, Tony Tapsell, Sir Peter
Taylor, Ian (Esher) Ward, John
Taylor, John M. (Solihull) Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Taylor, Sir Teddy (Southend, E) Waterson, Nigel
Temple-Morris, Peter Watts, John
Thomason, Roy Wells, Bowen
Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) Wheeler, Sir John
Thornton, Sir Malcolm Whitney, Ray
Thurnham, Peter Whittingdale, John
Townend, John (Bridlington) Widdecombe, Ann
Townsend, Cyril D. (Bexl'yh'th) Wiggin, Jerry
Tracey, Richard Wilkinson, John
Tredinnick, David Wilshire, David
Trend, Michael Wolfson, Mark
Trotter, Neville Wood, Timothy
Twinn, Dr Ian Yeo, Tim
Vaughan, Sir Gerard Young, Sir George (Acton)
Viggers, Peter
Waldegrave, Rt Hon William Tellers for the Ayes:
Walden, George Mr. Timothy Boswell and Mr. Timothy Kirkhope.
Walker, Bill (N Tayside)
Waller, Gary
Abbott, Ms Diane Corbyn, Jeremy
Adams, Mrs Irene Cousins, Jim
Ainger, Nick Cox, Tom
Ainsworth, Robert (Cov'try NE) Cryer, Bob
Allen, Graham Cummings, John
Alton, David Cunliffe, Lawrence
Anderson, Donald (Swansea E) Cunningham, Jim (Covy SE)
Anderson, Ms Janet (Ros'dale) Cunningham, Dr John (C'p'l'nd)
Armstrong, Hilary Dafis, Cynog
Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy Dalyell, Tarn
Ashton, Joe Darling, Alistair
Austin-Walker, John Davidson, Ian
Barnes, Harry Davies, Bryan (Oldham C'tral)
Barron, Kevin Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli)
Battle, John Davies, Ron (Caerphilly)
Bayley, Hugh Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'dge H'l)
Beckett, Margaret Denham, John
Beggs, Roy Dewar, Donald
Beith, Rt Hon A. J. Dixon, Don
Bell, Stuart Dobson, Frank
Benn, Rt Hon Tony Donohoe, Brian H.
Bennett, Andrew F. Dowd, Jim
Benton, Joe Dunnachie, Jimmy
Bermingham, Gerald Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth
Berry, Dr. Roger Eagle, Ms Angela
Betts, Clive Eastham, Ken
Blair, Tony Enright, Derek
Blunkett, David Etherington, Bill
Boateng, Paul Ewing, Mrs Margaret
Boyce, Jimmy Fatchett, Derek
Boyes, Roland Faulds, Andrew
Bradley, Keith Fisher, Mark
Bray, Dr Jeremy Flynn, Paul
Brown, N. (N'c'tle upon Tyne E) Forsythe, Clifford (Antrim S)
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) Foster, Derek (B'p Auckland)
Burden, Richard Foster, Donald (Bath)
Byers, Stephen Foulkes, George
Caborn, Richard Fraser, John
Callaghan, Jim Fyfe, Maria
Campbell, Mrs Anne (C'bridge) Galbraith, Sam
Campbell, Ronald (Blyth V) Galloway, George
Campbell-Savours, D. N. Gapes, Mike
Canavan, Dennis Garrett, John
Cann, Jamie Gerrard, Neil
Carlile, Alexander (Montgomry) Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John
Chisholm, Malcolm Godman, Dr Norman A.
Clapham, Michael Godsiff, Roger
Clark, Dr David (South Shields) Golding, Mrs Llin
Clarke, Eric (Midlothian) Gordon, Mildred
Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) Graham, Thomas
Clelland, David Grant, Bernie (Tottenham)
Clwyd, Mrs Ann Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)
Coffey, Ann Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)
Cohen, Harry Grocott, Bruce
Connarty, Michael Gunnell, John
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Hain, Peter
Corbett, Robin Hall, Mike
Hanson, David Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Hardy, Peter Mowlam, Marjorie
Harman, Ms Harriet Mudie, George
Harvey, Nick Mullin, Chris
Henderson, Doug Murphy, Paul
Heppell, John Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Hill, Keith (Streatham) O'Brien, Michael (N W'kshire)
Hinchliffe, David O'Brien, William (Normanton)
Hoey, Kate O'Hara, Edward
Hogg, Norman (Cumbernauld) Olner, William
Home Robertson, John O'Neill, Martin
Hood, Jimmy Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Hoon, Geoffrey Paisley, Rev Ian
Howarth, George (Knowsley N) Patchett, Terry
Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd) Pendry, Tom
Hoyle, Doug Pickthall, Colin
Hughes, Kevin (Doncaster N) Pike, Peter L.
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Pope, Greg
Hughes, Roy (Newport E) Powell, Ray (Ogmore)
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Prentice, Ms Bridget (Lew'm E)
Hutton, John Prentice, Gordon (Pendle)
Ingram, Adam Prescott, John
Jackson, Glenda (H'stead) Primarolo, Dawn
Jackson, Helen (Shefld, H) Purchase, Ken
Jamieson, David Quin, Ms Joyce
Janner, Greville Radice, Giles
Johnston, Sir Russell Randall, Stuart
Jones, Barry (Alyn and D'side) Raynsford, Nick
Jones, Ieuan Wyn (Ynys Môn) Redmond, Martin
Jones, Jon Owen (Cardiff C) Reid, Dr John
Jones, Lynne (B'ham S O) Robertson, George (Hamilton)
Jones, Martyn (Clwyd, SW) Robinson, Geoffrey (Co'try NW)
Jones, Nigel (Cheltenham) Robinson, Peter (Belfast E)
Jowell, Tessa Roche, Ms Barbara
Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald Rogers, Allan
Keen, Alan Rooker, Jeff
Kennedy, Charles (Ross, C S) Rooney, Terry
Kennedy, Jane (L'p'l Br'g'n) Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)
Khabra, Piara S. Ross, William (E Londonderry)
Kilfoyle, Peter Rowlands, Ted
Kirkwood, Archy Ruddock, Joan
Leighton, Ron Salmond, Alex
Lestor, Joan (Eccles) Sedgemore, Brian
Lewis, Terry Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert
Livingstone, Ken Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) Short, Clare
Loyden, Eddie Simpson, Alan
Lynne, Ms Liz Skinner, Dennis
McAllion, John Smith, Andrew (Oxford E)
McCartney, Ian Smith, C. (Isl'ton S & F'sbury)
Macdonald, Calum Smith, Llew (Blaenau Gwent)
McFall, John Smyth, Rev Martin (Belfast S)
McKelvey, William Snape, Peter
Mackinlay, Andrew Soley, Clive
McLeish, Henry Spearing, Nigel
McMaster, Gordon Spellar, John
McNamara, Kevin Squire, Rachel (Dunfermline W)
McWilliam, John Steinberg, Gerry
Madden, Max Stevenson, George
Maginnis, Ken Stott, Roger
Mahon, Alice Strang, Dr. Gavin
Mallon, Seamus Straw, Jack
Marek, Dr John Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury)
Marshall, David (Shettleston) Taylor, Rt Hon John D. (Str'gf'd)
Marshall, Jim (Leicester, S) Taylor, Matthew (Truro)
Martin, Michael J. (Springburn) Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck)
Martlew, Eric Tipping, Paddy
Maxton, John Trimble, David
Meacher, Michael Turner, Dennis
Michael, Alun Tyler, Paul
Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) Vaz, Keith
Michie, Mrs Ray (Argyll Bute) Walker, A. Cecil (Belfast N)
Milburn, Alan Walker, Rt Hon Sir Harold
Miller, Andrew Wai ley, Joan
Mitchell, Austin (Gt Grimsby) Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Moonie, Dr Lewis Wareing, Robert N
Morgan, Rhodri Watson, Mike
Morley, Elliot Welsh, Andrew
Morris, Rt Hon A. (Wy'nshawe) Wicks, Malcolm
Morris, Estelle (B'ham Yardley) Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Sw'n W)
Williams, Alan W (Carmarthen) Wright, Tony
Wilson, Brian Young, David (Bolton SE)
Winnick, David
Wise, Audrey Tellers for the Noes:
Worthington, Tony Mr. Eric Illsley and Mr. Thomas McAvoy.
Wray, Jimmy

Question accordingly agreed to.

Bill read the Third time, and passed.