- (".—(1) In relation to any time before such day as the Secretary of State may by order made by statutory instrument appoint, section 23 of the 1969 Act as substituted by section (Remands and committals to local authority accommodation)(1) above shall have effect with the following modifications.
- (2) In subsection (1), immediately before the words "the remand" there shall be inserted the words "then, unless he is declared by the court, after consultation with a probation officer or a social worker of a local authority social services department, to be a person to whom subsection (5) below applies".
- (3) For subsections (4) and (5) there shall be substituted the following subsections—
- "(4) Where a court declares a person to be one to whom subsection (5) below applies, it shall remand him—
- (a) to a remand centre, if it has been notified that such a centre is available for the reception from the court of such persons; and
- (b) to a prison, if it has not been so notified.
- (4A) A court shall not declare a person who is not legally represented in the court to be a person to whom subsection (5) below applies unless—
- (a) he applied for legal aid and the application was refused on the ground that it did not appear his means were such that he required assistance; or
- (b) having been informed of his right to apply for legal aid and had the opportunity to do so, he refused or failed to apply.
- (5) This subsection applies to a young person who is male and has attained the age of fifteen, but only if—
- (a) he is charged with or has been convicted of a violent or sexual offence, or an offence
943 punishable in the case of an adult with imprisonment for a term of fourteen years or more; or - (b) he has a recent history of absconding while remanded to local authority accommodation, and is charged with or has been convicted of an imprisonable offence alleged or found to have been committed while he was so remanded,
- (a) he is charged with or has been convicted of a violent or sexual offence, or an offence
- (4) In subsection (6)—
- (a) for the words "imposes a security requirement in respect of a young person" there shall be substituted the words "declares a person to be one to whom subsection (5) above applies"; and
- (b) for the words "subsection (5) above" there shall be substituted the words "that subsection".
- (5) In subsections (7) and (9), the words "without imposing a security requirement" shall be omitted.
- (6) After subsection (9) there shall be inserted the following subsection—
- "(9A) Where a person is remanded to local authority accommodation, a relevant court may, on the application of the designated authority, declare him to be a person to whom subsection (5) above applies; and on its doing so, he shall cease to be remanded to local authority accommodation and subsection (4) above shall apply."
- (7) In subsection (12), the definition of "secure accommodation" shall be omitted.")
`which day shall be no later than the end of the period of four years beginning with the day on which this Act is passed'. —[Mr. Randall.]
§ Question put, That the amendment to the Lords amendment be made:—
§ The House divided Ayes 127, Noes 202.
945| Division No. 195] | [9.6 pm |
| AYES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Dixon, Don |
| Adams, Mrs Irene (Paisley, N.) | Duffy, Sir A. E. P. |
| Allen, Graham | Dunnachie, Jimmy |
| Anderson, Donald | Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Eadie, Alexander |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Eastham, Ken |
| Beckett, Margaret | Edwards, Huw |
| Bell, Stuart | Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) |
| Bellotti. David | Fearn, Ronald |
| Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) | Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Fisher, Mark |
| Blunkett, David | Flynn, Paul |
| Boyes, Roland | Foster, Derek |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Foulkes, George |
| Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) | Fraser, John |
| Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) | Fyfe, Maria |
| Callaghan, Jim | Galbraith, Sam |
| Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) | Galloway, George |
| Campbell-Savours, D. N. | Garrett, Ted (Wallsend) |
| Carlile, Alex (Mont'g) | Godman, Dr Norman A. |
| Carr, Michael | Golding, Mrs Llin |
| Clark, Dr David (S Shields) | Gordon, Mildred |
| Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) | Graham, Thomas |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) |
| Cohen, Harry | Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) |
| Corbett, Robin | Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | Hood, Jimmy |
| Cox, Tom | Howells, Geraint |
| Crowther, Stan | Hoyle, Doug |
| Cryer, Bob | Hughes, John (Coventry NE) |
| Cunliffe, Lawrence | Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) |
| Dalyell, Tarn | Jones, leuan (Ynys Mön) |
| Darling, Alistair | Kirkwood, Archy |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) | Leadbitter, Ted |
| Dewar, Donald | Leighton, Ron |
| Lofthouse, Geoffrey | Quin, Ms Joyce |
| Loyden, Eddie | Randall, Stuart |
| McAvoy, Thomas | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn |
| McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) | Richardson, Jo |
| McKelvey, William | Robinson, Geoffrey |
| McLeish, Henry | Rogers, Allan |
| Maclennan, Robert | Rooker, Jeff |
| McMaster, Gordon | Rowlands, Ted |
| Madden, Max | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Marek, Dr John | Sheerman, Barry |
| Marshall, David (Shettleston) | Short, Clare |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Martin, Michael J. (Springburn) | Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) |
| Martlew, Eric | Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury) |
| Maxton, John | Snape, Peter |
| Meacher, Michael | Spearing, Nigel |
| Meale, Alan | Steel, Rt Hon Sir David |
| Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) | Strang, Gavin |
| Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute) | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) | Wallace, James |
| Morgan, Rhodri | Wardell, Gareth (Gower) |
| Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) | Watson, Mike (Glasgow, C) |
| Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Mullin, Chris | Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then) |
| Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon | Winnick, David |
| O'Brien, William | Worthington, Tony |
| Patchett, Terry | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Pike, Peter L. | |
| Powell, Ray (Ogmore) | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Prescott, John | Mr. Jack Thompson and |
| Primarolo, Dawn | Mr. Frank Haynes. |
| NOES | |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Curry, David |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) |
| Amess, David | Davis, David (Boothferry) |
| Amos, Alan | Day, Stephen |
| Arbuthnot, James | Devlin, Tim |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Dicks, Terry |
| Arnold, Sir Thomas | Dorrell, Stephen |
| Ashby, David | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Dunn, Bob |
| Atkins, Robert | Durant, Sir Anthony |
| Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley) | Dykes, Hugh |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Eggar, Tim |
| Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) | Emery, Sir Peter |
| Batiste, Spencer | Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) |
| Beaumont-Dark, Anthony | Evennett, David |
| Benyon, W. | Fallon, Michael |
| Bevan, David Gilroy | Favell, Tony |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Fishburn, John Dudley |
| Boswell, Tim | Fookes, Dame Janet |
| Bottomley, Peter | Forman, Nige! |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Franks, Cecil |
| Bowis, John | Freeman, Roger |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes | French, Douglas |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Fry, Peter |
| Bright, Graham | Gale, Roger |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Gardiner, Sir George |
| Buck, Sir Antony | Gill, Christopher |
| Budgen, Nicholas | Glyn, Dr Sir Alan |
| Burns, Simon | Goodlad, Alastair |
| Burt, Alistair | Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles |
| Butler, Chris | Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) |
| Carlisle, John, (Luton N) | Greenway, Harry (Eating N) |
| Carrington, Matthew | Greenway, John (Ryedale) |
| Carttiss, Michael | Gregory, Conal |
| Cash, William | Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) |
| Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs Lynda | Grist, Ian |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Ground, Patrick |
| Chapman, Sydney | Grylls, Michael |
| Chope, Christopher | Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn |
| Churchill, Mr | Hague, William |
| Clark, Rt Hon Sir William | Hamilton, Rt Hon Archie |
| Conway, Derek | Hampson, Dr Keith |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Hanley, Jeremy |
| Cope, Rt Hon Sir John | Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') |
| Cran, James | Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) |
| Harris, David | Owen, Rt Hon Dr David |
| Hawkins, Christopher | Patnick, Irvine |
| Hayhoe, Rt Hon Sir Barney | Patten, Rt Hon John |
| Hayward, Robert | Roberts, Rt Hon Sir Wyn |
| Heathcoat-Amory, David | Rumbold, Rt Hon Mrs Angela |
| Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE) | Ryder, Rt Hon Richard |
| Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE) | Sackville, Hon Tom |
| Hill, James | Sainsbury, Hon Tim |
| Hind, Kenneth | Shaw, David (Dover) |
| Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) | Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) |
| Hordern, Sir Peter | Shelton, Sir William |
| Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) |
| Irvine, Michael | Shersby, Michael |
| Irving, Sir Charles | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Jack, Michael | Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) |
| Janman, Tim | Soames, Hon Nicholas |
| Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey | Speller, Tony |
| Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) | Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) |
| Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Key, Robert | Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Kilfedder, James | Stern, Michael |
| King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) | Stevens, Lewis |
| Kirkhope, Timothy | Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) |
| Knapman, Roger | Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) |
| Knight, Greg (Derby North) | Stokes, Sir John |
| Knox, David | Sumberg, David |
| Lang, Rt Hon Ian | Summerson, Hugo |
| Latham, Michael | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Lawrence, Ivan | Taylor, Sir Teddy |
| Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark | Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman |
| Lester, Jim (Broxtowe) | Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) |
| Lightbown, David | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Luce, Rt Hon Sir Richard | Thurnham, Peter |
| McCrindle, Sir Robert | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Macfarlane, Sir Neil | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| MacGregor, Rt Hon John | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) | Viggers, Peter |
| Maclean, David | Walker, Bill (T'side North) |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Waller, Gary |
| McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Madel, David | Watts, John |
| Malins, Humfrey | Wells, Bowen |
| Marland, Paul | Wheeler, Sir John |
| Marlow, Tony | Whitney, Ray |
| Marshall, Sir Michael (Arundel) | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Martin, David (Portsmouth S) | Wilshire, David |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Winterton, Mrs Ann |
| Moate, Roger | Wolfson, Mark |
| Monro, Sir Hector | Woodcock, Dr. Mike |
| Montgomery, Sir Fergus | Yeo, Tim |
| Moss, Malcolm | |
| Newton, Rt Hon Tony | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Mr. Neil Hamilton and |
| Norris, Steve | Mr. Timothy Wood. |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ Lords amendment No. 81 agreed to.