§ .—(1) This Part, other than this section and section 44 below, shall have effect subject to the making of an Order or Orders by the Secretary of State after consultation with such organisations representative of local authorities, users and carers as appear to him to be concerned.
§ (2) Section 44 below shall have effect from the date of Royal Assent.
§ (3) No Order shall be made in respect of any other provision of this Part under section 63(2) below except where the Secretary of State is satisfied that the resources available to local authorities are adequate to secure the proper carrying out of their duties in a manner conducive to the interests and welfare of any person for whom community care services may be provided or arranged.
§ (4) For the purposes of subsection (3) above, no Order shall be made unless the Secretary of State is satisfied that resources sufficient to the requirements of subsection (3) above are available in respect of the implementation by authorities of the functions subject to the Order in the first financial year in which they apply and that such resources are likely to be sufficient in the succeeding four financial years based on his estimate of the likely cost of those functions over those years."
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said amendment.—[Mr Kenneth Clarke.]
§ Question put:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 317, Noes 225.
448| Division No. 270] | [12.17 am |
| AYES | |
| Adley, Robert | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Dover, Den |
| Alexander, Richard | Dunn, Bob |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Dykes, Hugh |
| Allason, Rupert | Emery, Sir Peter |
| Amess, David | Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) |
| Amos, Alan | Evennett, David |
| Arbuthnot, James | Fairbairn, Sir Nicholas |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Fallon, Michael |
| Arnold, Sir Thomas | Farr, Sir John |
| Ashby, David | Favell, Tony |
| Atkins, Robert | Fenner, Dame Peggy |
| Atkinson, David | Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) |
| Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley) | Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Fishburn, John Dudley |
| Baldry, Tony | Forman, Nigel |
| Banks, Robert (Harrogate) | Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) |
| Batiste, Spencer | Forth, Eric |
| Bellingham, Henry | Fowler, Rt Hon Sir Norman |
| Bendall, Vivian | Fox, Sir Marcus |
| Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Franks, Cecil |
| Benyon, W. | Freeman, Roger |
| Bevan, David Gilroy | French, Douglas |
| Biffen, Rt Hon John | Gale, Roger |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Gardiner, George |
| Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
| Body, Sir Richard | Gill, Christopher |
| Bonsor, Sir Nicholas | Glyn, Dr Sir Alan |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Goodhart, Sir Philip |
| Boswell, Tim | Goodlad, Alastair |
| Bottomley, Peter | Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Gorman, Mrs Teresa |
| Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) | Gorst, John |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Gow, Ian |
| Bowis, John | Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes | Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Greenway, John (Ryedale) |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Gregory, Conal |
| Brazier, Julian | Griffiths, Sir Eldon (Bury St E') |
| Bright, Graham | Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Grist, Ian |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg & CI't's) | Ground, Patrick |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Grylls, Michael |
| Buck, Sir Antony | Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn |
| Burns, Simon | Hague, William |
| Burt, Alistair | Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom) |
| Butcher, John | Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) |
| Butler, Chris | Hampson, Dr Keith |
| Butterfill, John | Hanley, Jeremy |
| Carlisle, John. (Luton N) | Hannam, John |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') |
| Carrington, Matthew | Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) |
| Carttiss, Michael | Harris, David |
| Cash, William | Haselhurst, Alan |
| Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs Lynda | Hayes, Jerry |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Hayward, Robert |
| Chapman, Sydney | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Chope, Christopher | Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael |
| Clark, Hon Alan (Plym'th S'n) | Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv NE) |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE) |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Hill, James |
| Colvin, Michael | Hind, Kenneth |
| Conway, Derek | Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Hordern, Sir Peter |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Howard, Rt Hon Michael |
| Cope, Rt Hon John | Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A) |
| Couchman, James | Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) |
| Cran, James | Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Critchley, Julian | Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) |
| Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) | Hunt, David (Wirral W) |
| Davis, David (Boothferry) | Hunt, Sir John (Ravensbourne) |
| Day, Stephen | Hunter, Andrew |
| Devlin, Tim | Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas |
| Dickens, Geoffrey | Irvine, Michael |
| Dicks, Terry | Irving, Sir Charles |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Jack, Michael |
| Jackson, Robert | Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth |
| Janman, Tim | Porter, Barry (Wirral S) |
| Jessel, Toby | Porter, David (Waveney) |
| Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey | Portillo, Michael |
| Jones, Robert B (Herts W) | Price, Sir David |
| Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Raison, Rt Hon Timothy |
| Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine | Rathbone, Tim |
| Key, Robert | Redwood, John |
| King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) | Renton, Rt Hon Tim |
| King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) | Riddick, Graham |
| Kirkhope, Timothy | Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas |
| Knapman, Roger | Ridsdale, Sir Julian |
| Knight, Greg (Derby North) | Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm |
| Knowles, Michael | Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) |
| Knox, David | Roe, Mrs Marion |
| Lang, Ian | Rumbold, Mrs Angela |
| Latham, Michael | Ryder, Richard |
| Lawson, Rt Hon Nigel | Sackville, Hon Tom |
| Lee, John (Pendle) | Sainsbury, Hon Tim |
| Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) | Shaw, David (Dover) |
| Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark | Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) |
| Lester, Jim (Broxtowe) | Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') |
| Lilley, Peter | Shelton, Sir William |
| Lloyd, Sir Ian (Havant) | Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW) |
| Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| Lord, Michael | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) |
| Luce, Rt Hon Richard | Shersby, Michael |
| Lyell, Rt Hon Sir Nicholas | Sims, Roger |
| Macfarlane, Sir Neil | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| MacGregor, Rt Hon John | Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) |
| MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) | Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) |
| Maclean, David | Soames, Hon Nicholas |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Speller, Tony |
| McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael | Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) |
| McNair-Wilson, Sir Patrick | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Madel, David | Squire, Robin |
| Major, Rt Hon John | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Malins, Humfrey | Stanley, Rt Hon Sir John |
| Mans, Keith | Steen, Anthony |
| Maples, John | Stern, Michael |
| Marland, Paul | Stevens, Lewis |
| Marlow, Tony | Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) |
| Marshall, John (Hendon S) | Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) |
| Marshall, Sir Michael (Arundel) | Stewart, Rt Hon Ian (Herts N) |
| Martin, David (Portsmouth S) | Sumberg, David |
| Maude, Hon Francis | Summerson, Hugo |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick | Taylor, Ian (Esher) |
| Mellor, David | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Meyer, Sir Anthony | Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| Miller, Sir Hal | Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman |
| Mills, Iain | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Miscampbell, Norman | Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) |
| Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Mitchell, Sir David | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Moate, Roger | Thurnham, Peter |
| Monro, Sir Hector | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Montgomery, Sir Fergus | Tracey, Richard |
| Morrison, Sir Charles | Trippier, David |
| Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester) | Trotter, Neville |
| Moss, Malcolm | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Moynihan, Hon Colin | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Neale, Gerrard | Viggers, Peter |
| Needham, Richard | Wakeham, Rt Hon John |
| Nelson, Anthony | Waldegrave, Rt Hon William |
| Neubert, Michael | Walden, George |
| Newton, Rt Hon Tony | Walker, Bill (T'side North) |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Waller, Gary |
| Nicholson, David (Taunton) | Ward, John |
| Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Norris, Steve | Warren, Kenneth |
| Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley | Wells, Bowen |
| Oppenheim, Phillip | Wheeler, Sir John |
| Page, Richard | Whitney, Ray |
| Paice, James | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Patnick, Irvine | Wilshire, David |
| Patten, Rt Hon John | Winterton, Mrs Ann |
| Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Wolfson, Mark |
| Pawsey, James | Wood, Timothy |
| Woodcock, Dr. Mike | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Yeo, Tim | Mr. Tony Durant and |
| Young, Sir George (Acton) | Mr. David Lightbown. |
| NOES | |
| Adams, Allen (Paisley N) | Field, Frank (Birkenhead) |
| Allen, Graham | Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) |
| Alton, David | Fisher, Mark |
| Anderson, Donald | Flannery, Martin |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Flynn, Paul |
| Armstrong, Hilary | Foot, Rt Hon Michael |
| Ashdown, Rt Hon Paddy | Foster, Derek |
| Ashley, Rt Hon Jack | Foulkes, George |
| Ashton, Joe | Fraser, John |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Fyfe, Maria |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Galloway, George |
| Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) | Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John |
| Barron, Kevin | Godman, Dr Norman A. |
| Beckett, Margaret | Golding, Mrs Llin |
| Bell, Stuart | Gould, Bryan |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Graham, Thomas |
| Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) | Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) |
| Blair, Tony | Grocott, Bruce |
| Blunkett, David | Hardy, Peter |
| Boateng, Paul | Harman, Ms Harriet |
| Boyes, Roland | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy |
| Bradley, Keith | Heal, Mrs Sylvia |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Henderson, Doug |
| Brown, Gordon (D'mline E) | Hinchliffe, David |
| Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) | Hoey, Ms Kate (Vauxhall) |
| Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) | Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) |
| Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) | Hood, Jimmy |
| Buckley, George J. | Howarth, George (Knowsley N) |
| Caborn, Richard | Howells, Geraint |
| Callaghan, Jim | Howells, Dr. Kim (Pontypridd) |
| Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) | Hoyle, Doug |
| Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) | Hughes, John (Coventry NE) |
| Campbell-Savours, D. N. | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) |
| Canavan, Dennis | Hughes, Roy (Newport E) |
| Carlile, Alex (Mont'g) | Hughes, Simon (Southwark) |
| Carr, Michael | Illsley, Eric |
| Clark, Dr David (S Shields) | Ingram, Adam |
| Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) | Janner, Greville |
| Clay, Bob | Johnston, Sir Russell |
| Clelland, David | Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | Jones, Ieuan (Ynys Môon) |
| Cohen, Harry | Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W) |
| Coleman, Donald | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald |
| Cook, Frank (Stockton N) | Kennedy, Charles |
| Cook, Robin (Livingston) | Kilfedder, James |
| Corbett, Robin | Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | Kirkwood, Archy |
| Cousins, Jim | Lambie, David |
| Cox, Tom | Lamond, James |
| Crowther, Stan | Leadbitter, Ted |
| Cryer, Bob | Leighton, Ron |
| Cummings, John | Lewis, Terry |
| Cunliffe, Lawrence | Litherland, Robert |
| Cunningham, Dr John | Livingstone, Ken |
| Dalyell, Tam | Livsey, Richard |
| Darling, Alistair | Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) | Lofthouse, Geoffrey |
| Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) | Loyden, Eddie |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'I) | McAllion, John |
| Dewar, Donald | McAvoy, Thomas |
| Dixon, Don | McCartney, Ian |
| Dobson, Frank | Macdonald, Calum A. |
| Doran, Frank | McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | McKelvey, William |
| Dunnachie, Jimmy | McLeish, Henry |
| Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth | McNamara, Kevin |
| Eastham, Ken | Madden, Max |
| Evans, John (St Helens N) | Mahon, Mrs Alice |
| Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) | Marek, Dr John |
| Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) | Marshall, David (Shettleston) |
| Fatchett, Derek | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) |
| Fearn, Ronald | Martin, Michael J. (Springburn) |
| Martlew, Eric | Ruddock, Joan |
| Maxton, John | Salmond, Alex |
| Meacher, Michael | Sheerman, Barry |
| Meale, Alan | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Michael, Alun | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) | Short, Clare |
| Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) | Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) |
| Moonie, Dr Lewis | Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury) |
| Morgan, Rhodri | Smith, Rt Hon J. (Monk'ds E) |
| Morley, Elliot | Soley, Clive |
| Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) | Spearing, Nigel |
| Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Steel, Rt Hon Sir David |
| Morris, M (N'hampton S) | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Mowlam, Marjorie | Stott, Roger |
| Mullin, Chris | Strang, Gavin |
| Murphy, Paul | Straw, Jack |
| Nellist, Dave | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| O'Brien, William | Thomas, Dr Dafydd Elis |
| O'Neill, Martin | Thompson, Jack (Wansbeck) |
| Orme, Rt Hon Stanley | Turner, Dennis |
| Parry, Robert | Vaz, Keith |
| Patchett, Terry | Wallace, James |
| Pendry, Tom | Walley, Joan |
| Pike, Peter L. | Watson, Mike (Glasgow, C) |
| Powell, Ray (Ogmore) | Welsh, Andrew (Angus E) |
| Prescott, John | Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N) |
| Primarolo, Dawn | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Quin, Ms Joyce | Williams, Rt Hon Alan |
| Randall, Stuart | Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then) |
| Redmond, Martin | Wilson, Brian |
| Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn | Winnick, David |
| Reid, Dr John | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Richardson, Jo | Worthington, Tony |
| Robertson, George | Wray, Jimmy |
| Robinson, Geoffrey | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Rogers, Allan | |
| Rooker, Jeff | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) | Mr. Frank Haynes and |
| Rowlands, Ted | Mr. Robert N. Wareing. |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Lords amendment: No. 72, before clause 40 to insert the following new clause—