§ Lords amendments again considered.
§ Madam Deputy Speaker (Miss Betty Boothroyd)With the leave of the House, I will put the remaining Lords amendments together.
§ Madam Deputy SpeakerObjection taken.
§ Lords amendment: In clause 6, page 4, line 14, leave out "omitted" and insert "not to be done".
§ Question put, That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said amendment:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 104, Noes 24.
| Division No. 396] | [10.14 pm |
| AYES | |
| Alexander, Richard | Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) |
| Amos, Alan | Jack, Michael |
| Arbuthnot, James | Jackson, Robert |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Janman, Tim |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Baldry, Tony | Kilfedder, James |
| Batiste, Spencer | King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) |
| Benyon, W. | Knapman, Roger |
| Bevan, David Gilroy | Knight, Greg (Derby North) |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) |
| Boswell, Tim | Lightbown, David |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Lilley, Peter |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Lyell, Sir Nicholas |
| Brazier, Julian | Maclean, David |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | McLoughlin, Patrick |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael |
| Burns, Simon | Mans, Keith |
| Burt, Alistair | Martin, David (Portsmouth S) |
| Carrington, Matthew | Miller, Sir Hal |
| Chapman, Sydney | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Moate, Roger |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Monro, Sir Hector |
| Colvin, Michael | Neubert, Michael |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Nicholson, David (Taunton) |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Patnick, Irvine |
| Couchman, James | Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Davis, David (Boothferry) | Porter, David (Waveney) |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Portillo, Michael |
| Durant, Tony | Raison, Rt Hon Timothy |
| Emery, Sir Peter | Redwood, John |
| Favell, Tony | Renton, Tim |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Rowe, Andrew |
| Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey | Ryder, Richard |
| Fishburn, John Dudley | Shaw, David (Dover) |
| French, Douglas | Sims, Roger |
| Gale, Roger | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | Squire, Robin |
| Gill, Christopher | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles | Stevens, Lewis |
| Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) | Thorne, Neil |
| Ground, Patrick | Viggers, Peter |
| Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn | Walker, Bill (T'side North) |
| Hague, William | Waller, Gary |
| Hampson, Dr Keith | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Hanley, Jeremy | Wilkinson, John |
| Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) | Wood, Timothy |
| Harris, David | Younger, Rt Hon George |
| Heathcoat-Amory, David | |
| Hind, Kenneth | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Holt, Richard | Mr. Michael Irvine and |
| Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) | Mr. Robert Hayward. |
| NOES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Boyes, Roland |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Cryer, Bob |
| Barron, Kevin | Cummings, John |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) | Nellist, Dave |
| Dixon, Don | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Haynes, Frank | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Hoey, Ms Kate (Vauxhall) | Ruddock, Joan |
| Home Robertson, John | Skinner, Dennis |
| Hughes, John (Coventry NE) | Smith, J. P. (Vale ot Glam) |
| McFall, John | |
| McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Meale, Alan | Mr. Michael Welsh and |
| Morgan, Rhodri | Mr. Martin Redmond. |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Madam Deputy SpeakerWith the leave of the House, I shall put together the remaining Lords amendments.
§ Mr. Kenneth Hind (Lancashire, West)On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. There have now been about nine votes on amendments to this Bill, and another vote on the business of the House. If you look at the number of votes that have been cast from both sides of the House throughout the Divisions on the amendments, you will note that they have remained relatively consistent.
May I seek your guidance, Madam Deputy Speaker? Have we not now reached a stage where it would be appropriate for Members to vote in their places, standing up and sitting down, as has been done previously? It is clear that a great deal of time is being wasted for reasons that have nothing to do with the business before us.
§ Madam Deputy SpeakerI appreciate the hon. Gentleman's point. Although he must not argue it, I can tell him and the House that I am not prepared to consider his suggestion.
§ Lords amendment: In clause 11, page 6, leave out from "1963" in line 26 to "as" in line 27.
§ Question put, That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said amendment:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 102, Noes 26.
| Division No. 397] | [10.27 pm |
| AYES | |
| Alexander, Richard | Durant, Tony |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Emery, Sir Peter |
| Amess, David | Favell, Tony |
| Amos, Alan | Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) |
| Arbuthnot, James | Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Fishburn, John Dudley |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | French, Douglas |
| Baldry, Tony | Gale, Roger |
| Bendall, Vivian | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
| Benyon, W. | Gill, Christopher |
| Bevan, David Gilroy | Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) |
| Boswell, Tim | Griffiths, Sir Eldon (Bury St E') |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) |
| Bowis, John | Ground, Patrick |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Hague, William |
| Brazier, Julian | Hanley, Jeremy |
| Bright, Graham | Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Harris, David |
| Buck, Sir Antony | Hawkins, Christopher |
| Burns, Simon | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael |
| Carrington, Matthew | Hind, Kenneth |
| Chapman, Sydney | Holt, Richard |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Colvin, Michael | Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Hunt, David (Wirral W) |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Jack, Michael |
| Couchman, James | Jackson, Robert |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Janman, Tim |
| Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine | Ryder, Richard |
| Kilfedder, James | Sims, Roger |
| Knapman, Roger | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Knight, Greg (Derby North) | Squire, Robin |
| Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Lightbown, David | Stevens, Lewis |
| Lilley, Peter | Summerson, Hugo |
| Lyell, Sir Nicholas | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Thorne, Neil |
| Miller, Sir Hal | Trippier, David |
| Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Monro, Sir Hector | Viggers, Peter |
| Neubert, Michael | Walker, Bill (T'side North) |
| Patnick, Irvine | Waller, Gary |
| Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Porter, David (Waveney) | Wilkinson, John |
| Portillo, Michael | Wood, Timothy |
| Raison, Rt Hon Timothy | |
| Redwood, John | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Renton, Tim | Mr. Michael Irvine and |
| Rhodes James, Robert | Mr. Robert Hayward. |
| NOES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Hughes, John (Coventry NE) |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | McFall, John |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) |
| Barron, Kevin | Meale, Alan |
| Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) | Morgan, Rhodri |
| Boyes, Roland | Nellist, Dave |
| Cryer, Bob | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Cummings, John | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) | Ruddock, Joan |
| Dewar, Donald | Skinner, Dennis |
| Dixon, Don | Smith, J. P. (Vale of Glam) |
| Foster, Derek | |
| Haynes, Frank | Tellers for the Noes |
| Hoey, Ms Kate (Vauxhall) | Mr. Michael Welsh and |
| Home Robertson, John | Mr. Martin Redmond. |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Madam Deputy SpeakerBy leave of the House, I will put the Question on the remaining Lords amendments.
§ Madam Deputy SpeakerObjection taken.
§ Lords amendment: In clause 15, page 8, leave out line 7.
§ Question put, That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said amendment:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 109, Noes 27.
| Divlsion No. 398] | [10.40 pm |
| AYES | |
| Alexander, Richard | Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Colvin, Michael |
| Amess, David | Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) |
| Amos, Alan | Coombs, Simon (Swindon) |
| Arbuthnot, James | Couchman, James |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Davis, David (Boothferry) |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Dorrell, Stephen |
| Bendall, Vivian | Durant, Tony |
| Benyon, W. | Eggar, Tim |
| Bevan, David Gilroy | Emery, Sir Peter |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Favell, Tony |
| Boswell, Tim | Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey |
| Bowis, John | Fishburn, John Dudley |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Forman, Nigel |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Gale, Roger |
| Brazier, Julian | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
| Bright, Graham | Gill, Christopher |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles |
| Burns, Simon | Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) |
| Butterfill, John | Griffiths, Sir Eldon (Bury St E') |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) |
| Carrington, Matthew | Ground, Patrick |
| Chapman, Sydney | Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Hague, William |
| Hampson, Dr Keith | Neubert, Michael |
| Hanley, Jeremy | Nicholson, David (Taunton) |
| Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) | Patnick, Irvine |
| Harris, David | Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Heathcoat-Amory, David | Porter, David (Waveney) |
| Hind, Kenneth | Portillo, Michael |
| Holt, Richard | Raison, Rt Hon Timothy |
| Hordern, Sir Peter | Redwood, John |
| Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) | Renton, Tim |
| Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Rhodes James, Robert |
| Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) | Ryder, Richard |
| Hunt, David (Wirral W) | Sims, Roger |
| Jack, Michael | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Jackson, Robert | Squire, Robin |
| Janman, Tim | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine | Stevens, Lewis |
| Kilfedder, James | Stradling Thomas, Sir John |
| King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) | Summerson, Hugo |
| Knapman, Roger | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Knight, Greg (Derby North) | Thorne, Neil |
| Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) | Trippier, David |
| Lester, Jim (Broxtowe) | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Lightbown, David | Viggers, Peter |
| Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Waller, Gary |
| MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) | Widdecombe, Ann |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Wilkinson, John |
| Martin, David (Portsmouth S) | Wood, Timothy |
| Miller, Sir Hal | |
| Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Moate, Roger | Mr. Michael Irvine and |
| Monro, Sir Hector | Mr. Robert Hayward. |
| Moynihan, Hon Colin |
| NOES | |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Hughes, John (Coventry NE) |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | McFall, John |
| Barron, Kevin | McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) |
| Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) | Meale, Alan |
| Boyes, Roland | Morgan, Rhodri |
| Cryer, Bob | Brien, William |
| Cummings, John | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) | Ruddock, Joan |
| Dewar, Donald | Skinner, Dennis |
| Dixon, Don | Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury) |
| Foster, Derek | Smith, J. P. (Vale of Glam) |
| Gordon, Mildred | |
| Haynes, Frank | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Hoey, Ms Kate (Vauxhall) | Mr. Michael Welsh and |
| Home Robertson, John | Mr. Martin Redmond. |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§
Lords amendment: in clause 15, page 8 leave out from "(b)" in line 33 to "and" in line 38 and insert
the reference in subsection (3) of Section 11 (Evidence of Vesting) of this Act to the Stock Transfer Act 1963 shall include a reference to the Stock Transfer Act (Northern Ireland) 1963;".
§ Question put, That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said amendment:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 110, Noes 27
| Division No. 399] | [10.52 pm |
| AYES | |
| Alexander, Richard | Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Baldry, Tony |
| Amess, David | Bendall, Vivian |
| Amos, Alan | Benyon, W. |
| Arbuthnot, James | Bevan, David Gilroy |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Blackburn, Dr John G. |
| Boswell, Tim | Jack, Michael |
| Bottomley, Peter | Jackson, Robert |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Janman, Tim |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Brazier, Julian | Kilfedder, James |
| Bright, Graham | King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Knapman, Roger |
| Buck, Sir Antony | Knight, Greg (Derby North) |
| Burns, Simon | Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) |
| Carlisle, John, (Luton N) | Lester, Jim (Broxtowe) |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Lightbown, David |
| Carrington, Matthew | MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) |
| Chapman, Sydney | McLoughlin, Patrick |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Martin, David (Portsmouth S) |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Miller, Sir Hal |
| Colvin, Michael | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Moate, Roger |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Moynihan, Hon Colin |
| Couchman, James | Neubert, Michael |
| Davis, David (Boothferry) | Nicholson, David (Taunton) |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Patnick, Irvine |
| Durant, Tony | Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey |
| Eggar, Tim | Porter, David (Waveney) |
| Emery, Sir Peter | Portillo, Michael |
| Fallon, Michael | Raison, Rt Hon Timothy |
| Favell, Tony | Redwood, John |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Renton, Tim |
| Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey | Rhodes James, Robert |
| Forman, Nigel | Rowe, Andrew |
| Gale, Roger | Ryder, Richard |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | Shaw, David (Dover) |
| Gill, Christopher | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles | Sims, Roger |
| Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Griffiths, Sir Eldon (Bury St E') | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) | Stradling Thomas, Sir John |
| Ground, Patrick | Summerson, Hugo |
| Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Hague, William | Thorne, Neil |
| Hampson, Dr Keith | Trippier, David |
| Hanley, Jeremy | Viggers, Peter |
| Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) | Wallace, James |
| Harris, David | Waller, Gary |
| Heathcoat-Amory, David | Wheeler, John |
| Hind, Kenneth | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Holt, Richard | Wilkinson, John |
| Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) | Wood, Timothy |
| Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | |
| Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) | Mr. Robert Hayward and |
| Hunt, David (Wirral W) | Mr. Michael Irvine. |
| NOES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | McFall, John |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Meale, Alan |
| Barron, Kevin | Morgan, Rhodri |
| Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) | Nellist, Dave |
| Boyes, Roland | O'Brien, William |
| Cryer, Bob | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Cummings, John | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) | Ruddock, Joan |
| Dewar, Donald | Skinner, Dennis |
| Dixon, Don | Smith, J. P. (Vale of Glam) |
| Foster, Derek | |
| Haynes, Frank | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Hoey, Ms Kate (Vauxhall) | Mr. Martin Redmond and |
| Home Robertson, John | Mr. Michael Welsh. |
| Hughes, John (Coventry NE) |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.