HC Deb 23 May 1988 vol 134 cc159-61

'No firearm certificate shall authorise a person to possess, purchase or acquire a self-loading or pump-action rifle to which section 5(2) (ab) of the principal Act applies unless that person—

  1. (a) has held a firearms certificate for at least three years, and
  2. (b) has been a full member of a rifle club for at least three years, and
  3. (c) is a member of a club which is affiliated to the National Rifle Association or the United Kingdom Practical Shooting Association and which has been approved by the Secretary of State as a club suitable for target shooting with self-loading rifles, and has satisfactorily completed a course of service rifle or practical rifle shooting approved by either of these Associations, or
  4. (d) has a reason to possess such a gun because of disability or participation in vermin control or deer-culling.'.—[Sir Hector Monro]

Brought up, and read the First time.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:-

The House divided: Ayes 26, Noes 217.

Division No. 319] [1.5 am
AYES
Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) Monro, Sir Hector
Beith, A. J. Moonie, Dr Lewis
Bellingham, Henry Ross, William (Londonderry E)
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Skinner, Dennis
Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) Walker, Bill (T'side North)
Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon Alick Wall, Pat
Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) Wallace, James
Colvin, Michael Welsh, Andrew (Angus E)
Cook, Frank (Stockton N) Whitney, Ray
Cryer, Bob Winterton, Mrs Ann
Dixon, Don Winterton, Nicholas
Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W)
McAllion, John Tellers for the Ayes:
Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Mr. Jerry Wiggins and Mr. Paul Marland.
Molyneaux, Rt Hon James
NOES
Alexander, Richard Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove)
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Ashby, David
Allason, Rupert Atkinson, David
Amess, David Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)
Amos, Alan Baldry, Tony
Arbuthnot, James Batiste, Spencer
Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) Beaumont-Dark, Anthony
Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) Hawkins, Christopher
Bevan, David Gilroy Hayes, Jerry
Biffen, Rt Hon John Heathcoat-Amory, David
Blackburn, Dr John G. Heddle, John
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE)
Boswell, Tim Hind, Kenneth
Bottomley, Mrs Virginia Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A)
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd)
Bowis, John Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Hunt, David (Wirral W)
Brazier, Julian Hunt, John (Ravensbourne)
Bright, Graham Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas
Brittan, Rt Hon Leon Irvine, Michael
Brooke, Rt Hon Peter Jack, Michael
Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's) Janman, Tim
Burns, Simon Jessel, Toby
Burt, Alistair Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Butcher, John Jones, Robert B (Herts W)
Butler, Chris King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)
Butterfill, John Kirkhope, Timothy
Carlisle, John, (Luton N) Knapman, Roger
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Knight, Greg (Derby North)
Carrington, Matthew Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)
Cash, William Knowles, Michael
Channon, Rt Hon Paul Lang, Ian
Chapman, Sydney Latham, Michael
Chope, Christopher Lawrence, Ivan
Clark, Hon Alan (Plym'th S'n) Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh)
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Conway, Derek Lightbown, David
Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) Lilley, Peter
Coombs, Simon (Swindon) Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Couchman, James Lord, Michael
Cran, James MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Currie, Mrs Edwina Maclean, David
Curry, David McLoughlin, Patrick
Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury)
Davis, David (Boothferry) McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest)
Day, Stephen Malins, Humfrey
Dorrell, Stephen Mans, Keith
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Marshall, John (Hendon S)
Dover, Den Martin, David (Portsmouth S)
Dunn, Bob Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick
Durant, Tony Miller, Hal
Emery, Sir Peter Mills, lain
Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)
Fallon, Michael Mitchell, David (Hants NW)
Farr, Sir John Moate, Roger
Fenner, Dame Peggy Morris, M (N'hampton S)
Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) Morrison, Hon Sir Charles
Fookes, Miss Janet Moss, Malcolm
Forman, Nigel Nelson, Anthony
Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) Neubert, Michael
Forth, Eric Newton, Rt Hon Tony
Franks, Cecil Nicholson, David (Taunton)
Freeman, Roger Oppenheim, Phillip
French, Douglas Page, Richard
Gale, Roger Paice, James
Gill, Christopher Patnick, Irvine
Goodhart, Sir Philip Pawsey, James
Goodlad, Alastair Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth
Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles Porter, David (Waveney)
Gorman, Mrs Teresa Portillo, Michael
Gorst, John Powell, William (Corby)
Gow, Ian Raffan, Keith
Gower, Sir Raymond Raison, Rt Hon Timothy
Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) Redwood, John
Greenway, John (Ryedale) Renton, Tim
Gregory, Conal Rhodes James, Robert
Griffiths, Sir Eldon (Bury St E') Riddick, Graham
Grist, Ian Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)
Ground, Patrick Roe, Mrs Marion
Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn Rossi, Sir Hugh
Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom) Rumbold, Mrs Angela
Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) Ryder, Richard
Hanley, Jeremy Sackville, Hon Tom
Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') Sainsbury, Hon Tim
Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) Sayeed, Jonathan
Harris, David Shaw, David (Dover)
Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath)
Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') Tracey, Richard
Shelton, William (Streatham) Tredinnick, David
Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW) Trotter, Neville
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Twinn, Dr Ian
Skeet, Sir Trevor Vaughan, Sir Gerard
Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) Waddington, Rt Hon David
Soames, Hon Nicholas Walden, George
Speed, Keith Ward, John
Speller, Tony Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)
Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) Watts, John
Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) Wells, Bowen
Squire, Robin Wheeler, John
Stanbrook, Ivor Widdecombe, Ann
Stern, Michael Wilkinson, John
Stevens, Lewis Wilshire, David
Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) Wolfson, Mark
Sumberg, David Wood, Timothy
Summerson, Hugo Yeo, Tim
Tapsell, Sir Peter Young, Sir George (Acton)
Taylor, Ian (Esher)
Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) Tellers for the Noes:
Thorne, Neil Mr. Robert Boscawen and
Thurnham, Peter Mr. Tristan Garel-Jones.

Question accordingly negatived.

Mr. Deputy Speaker

Does the hon. Member for Newbury (Mr. McNair-Wilson) wish to press new clause 6?

Mr. Michael McNair-Wilson

No, Sir.

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