§ [First Day]
§ As amended (in the Standing Committee), considered.4.16 pm
§ Mr. Clive Soley (Hammersmith)
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. May I ask you to consider as carefully as you are able the way in which the Government are legislating on the hoof? There are no fewer than 183 new clauses or amendments being added to the Bill, many of them at short notice. I accept that some are in response to our requests in Committee, but that is not a good enough reason for introducing completely new measures that were not even debated in Committee.
It is extremely important because, as you will know, Mr. Speaker, Standing Committees are set up to look into the way in which legislation is made, not just in areas of disagreement but in areas of agreement. The idea behind that has always been that the Committee procedure should lead to detailed investigation so that we achieve better legislation and avoid the danger of unintended consequences, which is a common problem in the House. In spite of that, some important changes are being made to the Bill.
A social landlord charter has been announced and it was supposed to be debated in the House. It was announced yesterday by the Minister in a speech. I have still not received a copy of that speech, even though his office told me that it would send me one. The Government have also announced that another amendment on housing associations will be introduced, even while the Bill is on Report. That amendment will affect security of tenure, the tenants' charter and the right-to-buy for housing associations. That has not even been mentioned in the House but it is apparently to be introduced.
An entirely new part of the Bill is being announced on Report involving a housing corporation for Wales. I am not opposed to that, but, as you will have seen, Mr. Speaker, the legislation involved is complex and detailed. There was no explanation in Committee from the Secretary of State for Wales and we did not have a Welsh representative on the Opposition Front Bench, although there was a Back-Bench Member from Wales representing each party.
This is not the way to legislate. In the amendments and new clauses the Government are changing legislation that is passing through the House. For example, they refer to the Housing (Scotland) Act, but that measure is not yet an Act of Parliament.
New clause 47 would dispose of council housing stock and undermine clause 4 of the Bill. It would have a dramatic effect on homelessness but, above all—I place great emphasis on this—it is retrospective legislation. The new clause takes effect from 9 June 1988—today. We shall not be debating it until next week. The Minister cannot claim that it is a new measure because the other day he put in the Table Office a document of about seven or eight pages which states what it is intended to do. Clearly, the Government have been thinking about it for some time, but this is the first time that we have had news of it.
1004 I am sorry to delay the House, but it is an important point of order. It is so important to the procedures of the House that we felt it essential to bring it to your notice, Mr. Speaker, to put pressure on the Government to stop them legislating on the hoof. If they cannot get their act together and decide who is the housing Minister, they should give more time to ensure that we have a Housing Bill that meets the needs of our people.
§ Mr. Speaker
Order. I ask hon. Members to allow me to deal with the matter. I have not selected the motion for recommittal for debate and I listened to what the Leader of the House had to say about the matter. I am sympathetic to the points and requests for more time made by the hon. Member for Hammersmith (Mr. Soley), but it would be best to proceed today and see how we get on next week in terms of time.
§ Mr. Simon Hughes (Southwark and Bermondsey)
Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker. Our concern about the late appearance of substantial new clauses and amendments is that it is impossible for Oppostition parties or Government Back Benchers to table further amendments in the knowledge of what the Government are doing. We are likely to be caught by the publishing tomorrow of amendments that the Government wish to introduce—whether it be by press release or in other documents—to amend major parts of the Bill that will be debated later. There will be no opportunity for us to debate those amendments because the time allocated for such debate will have passed.
At the beginning of the Report stage there is a proposal that the Bill should not follow the usual order of debate. It is proposed that it be taken in the sequence of the Bill rather than in the sequence of new clauses—starting with Government new clauses—and amendments to them. I have heard that the reason for that may be that the Government believe that, by delaying consideration of a new clause or amendment, they may be able to defeat a proposal from their own Back Benchers that they do not wish to take early on. Whatever the reasons, the lack of opportunity for ordinary Back Benchers to reconsider matters, and the fact that matters have taken an unexpected turn today, mean that there is additional reason for asking, in the presence of the Leader of the House, for reconsideration of the timetable.
We could deal with certain matters today—I do not believe that the hon. Member for Hammersmith (Mr. Soley) dissents from that—and there should be a further delay so that we know exactly what the Government intend before we consider the Bill further.
§ Mr. Speaker
Order. Are the points of order concerned with the same matter? [HON. MEMBERS: "Yes."] I shall take them, but I ask hon. Members to make brief points of order because I doubt if they are points of order for me but questions of time for the Bill.
§ Mr. John Home Robertson (East Lothian)
My hon. Friend the Member for Hammersmith (Mr. Soley) said that a number of the amendments refer to the Housing (Scotland) Act 1988, which does not exist. The Housing (Scotland) Bill has yet to have its Report stage in another place.
1005 May I draw your attention, Mr. Speaker, to one or two new clauses and amendments that have been tabled by Ministers? New clause 47 includes not only the Secretary of State for the Environment but the Secretary of State for Scotland and specifically amends Scottish housing legislation. As the Housing (Scotland) Bill is before the House, it is open to the Government to amend that Bill on Report in another place and for us to consider those Lords amendments. Is it in order for the Government to use this ostensibly English—and now Welsh—Bill to deal with Scottish housing legislation?
§ Mr. Speaker
There is no time limit on the Bill, so it would be sensible for hon. Members to put their questions to the Minister when we reach the amendments or new clauses. I cannot give explanations; that is a matter for the Government to answer.
§ Mr. Barry Jones (Alyn and Deeside)
Further to the point of order raised by my hon. Friend the Member for Hammersmith (Mr. Soley), Mr. Speaker. My hon. Friend made some important remarks regarding Wales. New schedule 240 is 180 lines long and new schedule 241 is 400 lines long. Why has this arrogant, high-handed attitude been taken to Wales, and is it not wrong to spring this complicated matter on the House?
§ Mr. Rhodri Morgan (Cardiff, West)
I ask you, Mr. Speaker, as the guardian of Back Benchers' rights, to consider my point of order regarding the issuance of the Government's guidelines on the large-scale voluntary transfer of local housing. In Committee in the first week of March, I specifically asked the Minister for Housing and Planning about the Government's response to the initiatives of Cardiff city council and C5mgor Bwrdeistref Ynys Môn in relation to the large-scale voluntary transfer of housing associations. The Minister said that it was purely for local authorities to make their bids. There was no mention in Committee of the possibility of the Government issuing a guideline document. How can it be right for the Government in Committee to table amendments on matters that were first raised by the press? If there was no possibility of debating the matter then, how can we debate it now when the document was issued only last night—the day before the Report stage?
§ Mr. Bob Cryer (Bradford, South)
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. It is a convention of the constitution that Parliament strives to avoid retrospective legislation where possible, although there might be odd occasions when it is necessary. It is up to you, Mr. Speaker, to bear that in mind when you make your selection, as I am sure you do.
The Housing Finance (Special Provisions) Act 1975 proposed to give retrospective support to Clay Cross councillors. You, Mr. Speaker, may recall that Conservative Members stood up in unison and said that retrospective legislation was terrible and was the slippery slope on the road to Fascism. It is proposed that new clause 47 will be effective from today, but it will not be debated until next week and will not receive Royal Assent for several weeks. The Bill, therefore, is bound to be retrospective in that clause alone. The way in which the Government have tabled it shows that they are deliberately proposing retrospective legislation, which is unnecessary. This is a narrow and shadowy matter, but should not the conventions of the constitution be given consideration? Will you, Mr. Speaker, assure the House that, with 1006 retrospective legislation, you give consideration to preserving the constitution and preventing us from sliding down what Conservative Members described 14 years ago as the slippery slope to Fascism?
§ Mr. Speaker
When the hon. Gentleman looks at my selection he will see that I have born those matters very much in mind. The selection has been generous.
§ Mr. Ian Gow (Eastbourne)
Further to that point of order, Mr. Speaker. It is self-evident that there is an exceptional number of Government amendments, Government new clauses and new schedules. You, Mr. Speaker, did not have the advantage of serving on the Standing Committee that considered the Bill. Many of the amendments appear in response to a number of suggestions made by Labour Members. Can you confirm that all the amendments and all the new clauses and schedules tabled by the Government are perfectly in order in terms of the time limit laid down by Standing Orders? Does it not lie ill on the lips of the Opposition to protest about the tabling of amendments, new clauses and schedules which have all been tabled precisely within the time limit?
§ Mr. Speaker
I did not have the advantage of serving on the Committee. I understand that some of the amendments are concessions. Some other matters are perhaps new to the Bill, and that was the point raised earlier with the Leader of the House. He has said that he will again look at the matter of timing. I do not think that there is much more we can do about that now.
§ Mr. Speaker
Order. There is no time limit on the amendments and when the Minister comes to them he could be asked about what they mean and could give his explanation in the ordinary way. It is not a matter for me to answer.
§ Mr. Nigel Spearing (Newham, South)
I have two points of order, Mr. Speaker, and perhaps I could ask you to dispose of the first before I put the second. I was not a member of the Standing Committee. I have served on many Standing Committees that adjourned when statements were made outside the House by Ministers about prospective new clauses. You will know that today there appeared in the Vote Office what purports to be a White Paper about new clauses tabled last night and in particular new clause 47. This means that after Monday we will not be able to table amendments to new clause 47. Therefore the notice for consideration of these matters is short.
I understand what you, Mr. Speaker, have said about what the Leader of the House said. My hon. Friend the Member for Hammersmith (Mr. Soley) has properly used his procedural rights to put down a motion that the whole Bill be recommitted to the Standing Committee. For reasons about which we can speculate but which, of course, we accept, you have not selected that. You will know that in "Erskine May" there is provision for the committal of part of a Bill. I could not have seen new clause 47 or its sisters, new clauses 45 and 46, until about 9 o'clock this morning, and I do not think that any other hon. Member could practically have been expected to do any better than that.
1007 For that reason it was not possible for me either to add my name to the motion in the name of my hon. Friend the Member for Hammersmith or to put down any other motion for today's Order Paper or today's sitting. Would it be in order and would you now consider, Mr. Speaker, a manuscript amendment that new clauses 44 to 47 be recommitted to the former Committee on the Housing Bill? If you feel that you cannot accept that, perhaps you could accept a manuscript amendment that new clause 47 be recommitted, partly because of its nature but particularly because of the retrospective effect from today that has already been well put to you by me and by my hon. Friends. That is my first point of order.
§ Mr. Speaker
The hon. Gentleman has said that he would like a ruling on that first. It would be in order to put down a motion but I would not accept a manuscript amendment today because, as the hon. Gentleman will see from the Order Paper, I have not yet selected the new clauses.
§ Mr. Spearing
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With great respect, on page 2 of this very long selection list at the end of group 4 there is listed Government amendments Nos. 42 to 47—I beg your pardon, Mr. Speaker. I incorrectly assumed that the selection list was for the whole of the debate on the Bill, but I see that it is for the first day only.
§ Mr. Speaker
I think I can help the whole House. We should proceed with today's business. The Leader of the House has said that he will look at the timetable. I fully understand and I am sympathetic to the points being made about new clauses that have been put down fairly recently. However, the Leader of the House has said that he will look at that and there is nothing else that I can do now about the matter. In any case, we shall not reach them today.
§ Mr. Ian McCartney (Makerfield)
Some of us who sat for 180 hours on the Housing Bill are celebrating our first anniversary in this place. During the past year the Government have shown an increasing tendency to misuse the Report stage as a Committee stage and to table amendments in a fashion that curtails the rights of Back Benchers. The issue is not simply about time but about the individual rights of hon. Members. I look to you, Mr. Speaker, to protect and safeguard those rights because we are thoroughly sick and tired of being misused and abused.
I sat on the Committee for 180 hours—longer than the hon. Member for Eastbourne (Mr. Gow) who turned up on occasions. We tried to persuade the Minister to deal with the matter and we did it in a way that should have given the Government an opportunity to improve the legislation.
I was given categorical assurances about amendments that would improve the Bill and meet my feelings about it. The Government have chosen to ignore the guarantees given to me and to other Back Benchers. The issue is one of principle and it is for you, Mr. Speaker, to sort it out. If it is not sorted out, the Government will be given the green light to use between now and the end of this Session, the Report stage to abuse the House and the rights of hon. Members. For that reason I implore you to look at this matter and to give serious consideration to the request by my hon. Friend the Member for Hammersmith (Mr. Soley) who asked for the matter to be taken back to the 1008 Committee so that hon. Members such as I may have an opportunity to consider the amendments proposed by the Government and to protect our rights.
§ Mr. Tony Banks (Newham, North-West)
On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. May I ask how the actual selection works? You have listened to the points made by my hon. Friends and you will clearly understand the distress that we feel. We were in a Committee that finished on 15 March and now find ourselves confronted by vast quantities of new clauses and amendments. Despite what the hon. Member for Eastbourne (Mr. Gow) says, those matters were not discussed in Committee and nor were they the subject of requests made by us.
We accept that some of the amendments arise out of undertakings given by Ministers, but if the hon. Member for Eastbourne reads them he will see that many of them relate to completely new business. As I say, the Committee finished on 15 March and last night new business was still being tabled and a great wedge of clauses and new amendments came out on Tuesday. That does not give us a chance to operate effectively as an Opposition.
When one looks at all the new Government business that is put forward, one sees that Report stages are not being treated like proper Report stages. We came back to the House to report the changes that we made to the Bill that went to Committee after Second Reading, but this is a completely new Committee stage. In many cases it will be treated by some hon. Members as a re-run of Second Reading since we will be discussing some fairly broad principles. When you see this happening, Mr. Speaker, and when you see the amendments that have been put down by the Government, surely you should say that you are not prepared to select these amendments on Report because as Mr. Speaker you are not giving the House a fair opportunity to consider these matters.
§ Mr. Speaker
I am not having that. If the hon. Gentleman says that I should not select the amendments there is no opportunity for them to be debated. I am sure that he does not mean that. I have made a very generous selection and the hon. Gentleman has only to look at the selection list to know that that is true. I think that we should get on with these amendments, which have been tabled for some time.—[Interruption.] There is no argument about them. They have been tabled long enough for hon. Members to prepare their amendments and speeches.
What we are concerned about and what I am concerned about is what will happen next week. The Leader of the House has already said that he will look into that.
I am going to call the motion.
Motion made, and Question put,
That the Housing Bill, as amended, be considered in the following order, namely, Amendments relating to Clause 1, Schedule 1, Clauses 2 to 7, Schedule 2, Clauses 8 to 22, Schedule 3, Clauses 23 to 37, Schedule 4, Clauses 38 to 43, New Clauses 25, 26 and 27, New Schedules 240 and 241, Amendments relating to Clauses 44 to 57, Schedules 5 and 6, Clauses 58 to 71, Schedule 7, Clauses 72 and 73, Schedule 8, Clause 74, Schedule 9, Clauses 75 to 99, Schedule 10, Clauses
100 to 108, Schedule 11, Clauses 109 to 114, Schedule 12, Clauses 115, remaining New Clauses and New Schedules, Amendments relating to Schedules 13—[Mr. Ridley.]
§ The House divided: Ayes 231, Noes 1761011
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|Adley, Robert||Fox, Sir Marcus|
|Alison, Rt Hon Michael||Franks, Cecil|
|Amess, David||Freeman, Roger|
|Amos, Alan||French, Douglas|
|Arbuthnot, James||Fry, Peter|
|Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham)||Gale, Roger|
|Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove)||Gardiner, George|
|Ashby, David||Garel-Jones, Tristan|
|Aspinwall, Jack||Gill, Christopher|
|Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N)||Goodlad, Alastair|
|Baldry, Tony||Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles|
|Banks, Robert (Harrogate)||Gorman, Mrs Teresa|
|Batiste, Spencer||Gorst, John|
|Beaumont-Dark, Anthony||Gow, Ian|
|Bendall, Vivian||Greenway, Harry (Ealing N)|
|Biggs-Davison, Sir John||Greenway, John (Ryedale)|
|Body, Sir Richard||Gregory, Conal|
|Bonsor, Sir Nicholas||Griffiths, Sir Eldon (Bury St E")|
|Boscawen, Hon Robert||Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N)|
|Boswell, Tim||Grist, Ian|
|Bottomley, Peter||Ground, Patrick|
|Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich)||Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn|
|Bowis, John||Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)|
|Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes||Hanley, Jeremy|
|Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard||Hannam, John|
|Brandon-Bravo, Martin||Harris, David|
|Brazier, Julian||Haselhurst, Alan|
|Bright, Graham||Hayes, Jerry|
|Brittan, Rt Hon Leon||Hayhoe, Rt Hon Sir Barney|
|Brooke, Rt Hon Peter||Hayward, Robert|
|Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's)||Heathcoat-Amory, David|
|Browne, John (Winchester)||Heddle, John|
|Bruce, Ian (Dorset South)||Hind, Kenneth|
|Buck, Sir Antony||Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)|
|Budgen, Nicholas||Holt, Richard|
|Burns, Simon||Hordern, Sir Peter|
|Butcher, John||Howard, Michael|
|Butler, Chris||Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A)|
|Butterfill, John||Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd)|
|Carlisle, John, (Luton N)||Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford)|
|Carrington, Matthew||Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W)|
|Carttiss, Michael||Hunt, David (Wirral W)|
|Cash, William||Hunter, Andrew|
|Chapman, Sydney||Irvine, Michael|
|Clark, Hon Alan (Plym'th S'n)||Irving, Charles|
|Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford)||Jack, Michael|
|Colvin, Michael||Janman, Tim|
|Conway, Derek||Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey|
|Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest)||Jopling, Rt Hon Michael|
|Couchman, James||Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine|
|Cran, James||Key, Robert|
|Critchley, Julian||King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield)|
|Currie, Mrs Edwina||Kirkhope, Timothy|
|Curry, David||Knapman, Roger|
|Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g)||Knight, Greg (Derby North)|
|Davis, David (Boothferry)||Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston)|
|Day, Stephen||Knowles, Michael|
|Devlin, Tim||Latham, Michael|
|Dickens, Geoffrey||Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark|
|Dorrell, Stephen||Lightbown, David|
|Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James||Lilley, Peter|
|Dover, Den||Lloyd, Sir Ian (Havant)|
|Dunn, Bob||McCrindle, Robert|
|Durant, Tony||MacGregor, Rt Hon John|
|Evennett, David||MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire)|
|Fallon, Michael||Maclean, David|
|Farr, Sir John||McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury)|
|Favell, Tony||Major, Rt Hon John|
|Fookes, Miss Janet||Maples, John|
|Forman, Nigel||Marshall, John (Hendon S)|
|Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)||Marshall, Michael (Arundel)|
|Forth, Eric||Martin, David (Portsmouth S)|
|Fowler, Rt Hon Norman||Maude, Hon Francis|
|Mawhinney, Dr Brian||Steen, Anthony|
|Meyer, Sir Anthony||Stern, Michael|
|Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling)||Stevens, Lewis|
|Moate, Roger||Stewart, Andy (Sherwood)|
|Montgomery, Sir Fergus||Stewart, Ian (Hertfordshire N)|
|Morrison, Hon Sir Charles||Stokes, John|
|Moss, Malcolm||Summerson, Hugo|
|Nelson, Anthony||Tapsell, Sir Peter|
|Neubert, Michael||Taylor, Ian (Esher)|
|Nicholls, Patrick||Taylor, John M (Solihull)|
|Nicholson, David (Taunton)||Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)|
|Nicholson, Emma (Devon West)||Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman|
|Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley||Temple-Morris, Peter|
|Page, Richard||Thompson, D. (Calder Valley)|
|Patten, John (Oxford W)||Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N)|
|Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey||Townend, John (Bridlington)|
|Pawsey, James||Tracey, Richard|
|Porter, David (Waveney)||Tredinnick, David|
|Powell, William (Corby)||Trotter, Neville|
|Price, Sir David||Twinn, Dr Ian|
|Raison, Rt Hon Timothy||Vaughan, Sir Gerard|
|Redwood, John||Viggers, Peter|
|Renton, Tim||Waddington, Rt Hon David|
|Riddick, Graham||Wakeham, Rt Hon John|
|Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas||Waldegrave, Hon William|
|Ridsdale, Sir Julian||Walker, Bill (T'side North)|
|Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)||Waller, Gary|
|Rost, Peter||Walters, Dennis|
|Rowe, Andrew||Wardle, Charles (Bexhill)|
|Ryder, Richard||Watts, John|
|Sainsbury, Hon Tim||Wells, Bowen|
|Scott, Nicholas||Wheeler, John|
|Shaw, David (Dover)||Widdecombe, Ann|
|Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey)||Wilshire, David|
|Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW)||Winterton, Mrs Ann|
|Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)||Winterton, Nicholas|
|Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge)||Wood, Timothy|
|Shersby, Michael||Woodcock, Mike|
|Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)||Yeo, Tim|
|Soames, Hon Nicholas||Young, Sir George (Acton)|
|Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)||Tellers for the Ayes:|
|Squire, Robin||Mr. Peter Lloyd and Mr. Kenneth Carlisle.|
|Adams, Allen (Paisley N)||Clay, Bob|
|Allen, Graham||Clwyd, Mrs Ann|
|Alton, David||Cohen, Harry|
|Archer, Rt Hon Peter||Cook, Frank (Stockton N)|
|Armstrong, Hilary||Cook, Robin (Livingston)|
|Ashdown, Paddy||Corbyn, Jeremy|
|Ashton, Joe||Cousins, Jim|
|Banks, Tony (Newham NW)||Crowther, Stan|
|Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE)||Cryer, Bob|
|Barron, Kevin||Cummings, John|
|Battle, John||Cunliffe, Lawrence|
|Beckett, Margaret||Cunningham, Dr John|
|Bell, Stuart||Dalyell, Tam|
|Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish)||Darling, Alistair|
|Bermingham, Gerald||Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli)|
|Bidwell, Sydney||Davies, Ron (Caerphilly)|
|Blair, Tony||Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l)|
|Boateng, Paul||Dewar, Donald|
|Boyes, Roland||Dixon, Don|
|Bradley, Keith||Dobson, Frank|
|Bray, Dr Jeremy||Doran, Frank|
|Brown, Gordon (D'mline E)||Dunnachie, Jimmy|
|Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E)||Eastham, Ken|
|Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith)||Evans, John (St Helens N)|
|Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon)||Fatchett, Derek|
|Buchan, Norman||Fearn, Ronald|
|Buckley, George J.||Field, Frank (Birkenhead)|
|Caborn, Richard||Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n)|
|Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE)||Fisher, Mark|
|Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley)||Flynn, Paul|
|Campbell-Savours, D. N.||Foot, Rt Hon Michael|
|Canavan, Dennis||Foster, Derek|
|Clark, Dr David (S Shields)||Fyfe, Maria|
|Clarke, Tom (Monklands W)||Galbraith, Sam|
|Galloway, George||Mitchell, Austin (G'f Grimsby)|
|Garrett, John (Norwich South)||Morgan, Rhodri|
|George, Bruce||Morley, Elliott|
|Godman, Dr Norman A.||Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)|
|Gordon, Mildred||Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)|
|Gould, Bryan||Mowlam, Marjorie|
|Graham, Thomas||Mullin, Chris|
|Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S)||Nellist, Dave|
|Griffiths, Win (Bridgend)||O'Brien, William|
|Grocott, Bruce||Orme, Rt Hon Stanley|
|Harman, Ms Harriet||Paisley, Rev Ian|
|Heffer, Eric S.||Patchett, Terry|
|Henderson, Doug||Pike, Peter L.|
|Hinchliffe, David||Prescott, John|
|Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth)||Primarolo, Dawn|
|Home Robertson, John||Quin, Ms Joyce|
|Hood, Jimmy||Radice, Giles|
|Howarth, George (Knowsley N)||Randall, Stuart|
|Howell, Rt Hon D. (S'heath)||Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn|
|Howells, Geraint||Reid, Dr John|
|Hoyle, Doug||Richardson, Jo|
|Hughes, John (Coventry NE)||Roberts, Allan (Bootle)|
|Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)||Robertson, George|
|Hughes, Roy (Newport E)||Rogers, Allan|
|Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S)||Ross, Ernie (Dundee W)|
|Hughes, Simon (Southwark)||Rowlands, Ted|
|Illsley, Eric||Ruddock, Joan|
|Ingram, Adam||Salmond, Alex|
|Janner, Greville||Sedgemore, Brian|
|John, Brynmor||Sheerman, Barry|
|Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)||Shore, Rt Hon Peter|
|Jones, leuan (Ynys Môn)||Short, Clare|
|Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W)||Skinner, Dennis|
|Leadbitter, Ted||Smith, Andrew (Oxford E)|
|Leighton, Ron||Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury)|
|Lestor, Joan (Eccles)||Soley, Clive|
|Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)||Spearing, Nigel|
|Loyden, Eddie||Steel, Rt Hon David|
|McAllion, John||Steinberg, Gerry|
|McAvoy, Thomas||Stott, Roger|
|McCartney, Ian||Strang, Gavin|
|McKay, Allen (Barnsley West)||Straw, Jack|
|McKelvey, William||Taylor, Matthew (Truro)|
|McLeish, Henry||Vaz, Keith|
|Maclennan, Robert||Wall, Pat|
|McTaggart, Bob||Wallace, James|
|Madden, Max||Wareing, Robert N.|
|Mahon, Mrs Alice||Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N)|
|Marek, Dr John||Wigley, Dafydd|
|Marshall, David (Shettleston)||Winnick, David|
|Marshall, Jim (Leicester S)||Wise, Mrs Audrey|
|Martin, Michael J. (Springburn)||Worthington, Tony|
|Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley)||Tellers for the Noes:|
|Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute)||Mr. Frank Haynes and Mr. Alun Michael.|
|Millan, Rt Hon Bruce|
§ Question accordingly agreed to.