§ 71. Mr. DalyellTo ask the Minister for the Civil Service if, pursuant to his reply of 4 July, Official Report, column 730, he will make it his policy, when answering a parliamentary question to the effect that he has nothing to add to previous replies, to indicate the precise Hansard reference for the answer or answers which provide the information requested.
§ The Minister of State, Privy Council Office (Mr. Richard Luce)I shall continue to abide by the conventions of the House.
§ Mr. DalyellInstead of pretending that questions on Westland have been answered, when they certainly have not, would it not be better for our country, and helpful from the point of view of the Commissioner going to Europe, if Ministers finally admitted that at column 657 on 27 January 1986 the Prime Minister caused much of this trouble by telling an indispensable lie to the House of Commons?
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I ask the hon. Gentleman to withdraw that allegation about the Prime Minister.
§ Mr. DalyellI believe that there is cynical corruption involved in this—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I ask the hon. Gentleman to withdraw those words.
§ Mr. DalyellThe words were extremely carefully chosen—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. If the hon. Gentleman does not obey the Chair I shall be forced to name him, and I should be very reluctant to do that. I give him the opportunity to withdraw the allegation that the Prime Minister lied to the House.
§ Mr. DalyellThe truth of the matter is that Parliament has been insulted—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. If the hon. Gentleman is not prepared to withdraw those words, I shall be forced to name him. I give him one final chance.
§ Mr. DalyellI do not wish to embarrass you, Mr.Speaker. I am not asking for a final chance. I would not have said those words unless I meant them—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I name Mr. Tam Dalyell.
§ The Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Mr. John Wakeham)I beg to move,
That Mr. Tam Dalyell be suspended from the service ofthe House.
§ Question put:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 180, Noes 28.
19| Division No. 440] | [3.24 pm |
| AYES | |
| Adley. Robert | Hannam, John |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) |
| Arbuthnot, James | Harris, David |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Haselhurst, Alan |
| Atkinson, David | Hayward, Robert |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) | Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael |
| Beaumont-Dark, Anthony | Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE) |
| Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. |
| Biggs-Davison, Sir John | Hind, Kenneth |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Hordern, Sir Peter |
| Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A) |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) |
| Boswell, Tim | Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Hunt, David (Wirral W) |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) |
| Bowis, John | Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Irvine, Michael |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Jack, Michael |
| Brazier, Julian | Janman, Tim |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's) | Jessel, Toby |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Jones, Robert B (Herts W) |
| Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Buck, Sir Antony | Key, Robert |
| Burns, Simon | King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) |
| Burt, Alistair | Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil |
| Butcher, John | Knapman, Roger |
| Butler, Chris | Knowles, Michael |
| Carrington, Matthew | Knox, David |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Latham, Michael |
| Chapman, Sydney | Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark |
| Clark, Hon Alan (Plym'th S'n) | Lightbown, David |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Lloyd, Sir Ian (Havant) |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Lord, Michael |
| Cope, Rt Hon John | Luce, Rt Hon Richard |
| Cormack, Patrick | McCrindle, Robert |
| Cran, James | MacGregor, Rt Hon John |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) |
| Curry, David | McLoughlin, Patrick |
| Day, Stephen | Madel, David |
| Devlin, Tim | Malins, Humfrey |
| Dicks, Terry | Mans, Keith |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Maples, John |
| Dover, Den | Marlow, Tony |
| Durant, Tony | Marshall, John (Hendon S) |
| Emery, Sir Peter | Marshall, Michael (Arundel) |
| Fallon, Michael | Martin, David (Portsmouth S) |
| Farr, Sir John | Maude, Hon Francis |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin |
| Field, Frank (Birkenhead) | Miller, Sir Hal |
| Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
| Fishburn, Dudley | Moate, Roger |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | Monro, Sir Hector |
| Forman, Nigel | Montgomery, Sir Fergus |
| Forth, Eric | Moore, Rt Hon John |
| Foster, Derek | Morrison, Sir Charles |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester) |
| Gale, Roger | Moss, Malcolm |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | Mudd, David |
| Gill, Christopher | Neale, Gerrard |
| Golding, Mrs Llin | Neubert, Michael |
| Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles | Newton, Rt Hon Tony |
| Gow, Ian | Nicholls, Patrick |
| Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) | Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) |
| Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn | Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley |
| Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) | Page, Richard |
| Hanley, Jeremy | Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil |
| Patnick, Irvine | Stern, Michael |
| Portillo, Michael | Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) |
| Powell, William (Corby) | Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) |
| Price, Sir David | Stokes, Sir John |
| Rathbone, Tim | Sumberg, David |
| Redwood, John | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Rossi, Sir Hugh | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Rost, Peter | Thorne, Neil |
| Ryder, Richard | Thurnham, Peter |
| Sackville, Hon Tom | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Shaw, David (Dover) | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Shelton, William (Streatham) | Waddington, Rt Hon David |
| Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW) | Wakeham, Rt Hon John |
| Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) | Watts, John |
| Sims, Roger | Wheeler, John |
| Skeet, Sir Trevor | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Soames, Hon Nicholas | Wilshire, David |
| Spearing, Nigel | Wood, Timothy |
| Speller, Tony | |
| Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) | Mr. David Maclean and Mr. Kenneth Carlisle. |
| Stanbrook, Ivor |
| NOES | |
| Allen, Graham | Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | McAllion, John |
| Bradley, Keith | Madden, Max |
| Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) | Patchett, Terry |
| Buchan, Norman | Pike, Peter L. |
| Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) | Redmond, Martin |
| Campbell-Savours, D. N. | Salmond, Alex |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | Skinner, Dennis |
| Cousins, Jim | Vaz, Keith |
| Cox, Tom | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) | Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then) |
| Flannery, Martin | Wilson, Brian |
| Galloway, George | |
| Heffer, Eric S. | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Hinchliffe, David | Mr. Bob Cryer and Mr. Bill Michie. |
| Janner, Greville |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ MR. SpeakerOrder. I have to direct the hon. Member for Linlithgow (Mr. Dalyell) to withdraw in compliance with the order which the House has just made
§ Mr. DalyellOn the point of order, Mr. Speaker [Interruption.]
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I ask the House to allow me to deal with the matter. I have said to the hon. Member that he must now withdraw from the House, otherwise I shall have to take the next step.
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. The hon. Member for Linlithgow must withdraw from the House first.
§ Mr. DalyellOn a point of order, Mr. Speaker.
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I have said to the hon. Gentleman that he must now immediately withdraw from the House. The hon. Gentleman has been suspended from the service of the House. I am not going to give the hon. Gentleman a further chance on this matter. I must say to him that if I have to ask the Serjeant at Arms to lay a finger upon him, he will be suspended for the rest of this Session. That is a very serious step for me to take.
§ Mr. Dalyellrose—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I must say to the hon. Gentleman that he must now leave at once, please.
§ The hon. Member withdrew.
§ Mr. AllenOn a point of order, Mr. Speaker. At what point does the authority of the Chair come into play when Ministers, after one year or two years, continually refuse to answer questions directly? Is it not your role, Mr. Speaker—
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. The whole House knows that that has absolutely nothing to do with me.
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. What I asked the hon. Member to do was to withdraw an unparliamentary phrase, which I would ask any hon. Member on either side of the House to do if he used it. The hon. Member was named for refusing to obey the Chair.
§ Mr. SpeakerOrder. I am not taking any further points of order on this matter.