§ Lords amendment: No. 88, in page 27, line 35, leave out "before the beginning of the year"
§ Madam Deputy SpeakerWith this it will be convenient to take the following Lords amendments: No. 89, in page 27, line 36, leave out subsections (2) and (3) and insert—
§ confer major benefits worth hundreds of millions of pounds on manufacturing industry, especially in the north and the midlands.
§ The fourth fact, contrary to the forecasts of some organisations, is that there is little evidence that small businesses will face larger rates increases than large businesses. The big increases are likely to be confined to areas which have prospered most over the past 15 years and whose rates as a result are way below what they should be—the prime high street retail sites and, possibly, out-of-town superstores. These are activities where large businesses predominate. The secondary neighbourhood shopping centres and corner shops are likely to face appreciably smaller increases, since it is commonly accepted that they have done less well than prime shops in the past 15 years. Small manufacturers are likely to gain, but it may be more difficult for small businesses to absorb increases quickly, and I shall come to that point.
§ The introduction of the NNDR linked to the retail prices index will ensure that businesses throughout the country can plan investments in a climate of unprecedented rates stability.
§ Mr. McLoughlinIs my hon. Friend aware that we are being criticised by Derbyshire county council for the alleged problems of the health authority? Southern Derbyshire health authority allocated a 4.5 per cent. increase for its rates this year, but was landed with a 13 per cent. increase, which cost the authority an extra £234,000. It was difficult for it to budget for that, and the money has to come out of that allocated for other services. The proposed link to inflation will help authorities, such as health authorities, plan their budgets sensibly.
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§ Mr. ChopeAs usual, my hon. Friend makes his point very well. It is spot on, because the stability that will be introduced by these changes will be welcomed, not only by businesses, but by all ratepayers, including hospitals.
Small businesses stand to gain from this more than most, as they are less well equipped to cope with unpredictable increases and cannot trade off high rates in one area for low rates elsewhere. We are thus moving to a simpler, fairer and more stable rating system for all businesses, as many of the business organisations have come to recognise. We are determined though that it should be done without any businesses having to face the sort of rate shock so frequently forced on them in recent years by local authorities run by the Labour party. We are determined that, for the limited number of businesses that will face large rate increases, these will be introduced gradually in stages to give them time to adjust.
We are especially sensitive to the difficulties of small businesses. We have made it clear at all stages that there will be generous transitional arrangements, taking the form of a ceiling on the percentage by which rate bills may rise from one year to the next. We have had some representations from the business organisations about what that ceiling might be, but we shall not reach a final decision until after we have better forecasts of the likely effects of revaluation, which will be available in the autumn.
The Opposition amendment to Lords amendment No. 89 would require the Secretary of State, in setting the rules for finding the chargeable amount due under the transitional arrangements, to do so
having regard to the need to promote local employment".If only the Opposition would practise what they preach. Our whole policy hasregard to the need to promote local employment".That is why the Government have succeeded in reducing unemployment by more than 500,000 since the last general election.As I have just explained, we are eliminating two major factors which discourage local employment where it is most desperately needed—in the north of England and in the inner cities. We are ending once and for all the situation in which inefficient Labour authorities can bleed local industry dry to pay for their profligacy. We are creating the stability necessary for investment, and through revaluation we are ending the situation in which monstrously out-of-date valuations result in businesses in these areas paying far more in rates than they should. Our whole policy encourages employment in those areas where it is most needed—those areas where the policies of the Labour party have often had the freest rein.
We had made a start through rate capping. For example, in Waltham Forest we have reduced rates this year by 28 per cent., and in Ealing by 22 per cent. We do not want to delay the benefits due to those who have been paying too much any longer than is necessary, but the transitional arrangements will have to be self-financing. There is no reason to make other taxpayers or community charge payers pay for protection for businesses.
§ Mr. Jim Cousins (Newcastle upon Tyne, Central)Will the hon. Gentleman please have the honesty to explain the consequences of self-financing? Self-financing means that manufacturing industry in the north and the midlands will 1200 pay relatively more to finance the transitional arrangements of much more prosperous business, commerce and industry elsewhere. Will the Government be honest and concede that the self-financing mechanism is one that claws back many of the advantages about which the Minister has just been talking?
§ Mr. ChopeIt is true that the full benefits of the large reductions will not come through straight away for some businesses, but they will come through in due course.
§ Mr. Allen McKayHow long?
§ Mr. ChopeWe estimate that within about two years most businesses will receive the full benefits of the reductions, but for some businesses it will take a little longer.
§ Mr. Tony Marlow (Northampton, North)I should not have intervened but for the fact that I am deeply worried because the amendment gives my hon. Friend—in whom I have a great deal of faith—the opportunity to introduce regulations. I know that basically the amendment relates to regulations with regard to non-domestic premises, but we have heard today that the Labour party proposes to replace the community charge with two taxes. Would that enable the Opposition to replace what my hon. Friend honourably and decently is trying to do to make things more helpful with two, three, four or even five taxes? If that is the case, we have every right to be worried and concerned, because it is rather open-ended.
§ Mr. ChopeMy hon. Friend is right to express concern about these matters. The hon. Member for Birmingham, Perry Barr (Mr. Rooker) may tell the House that his party proposes to have two new taxes to replace domestic rates or the community charge, but Opposition Members have not yet made it clear what will happen with non-domestic rates, which is what we are discussing.
I expect the substantial majority of the rates increases and reductions to go through completely within two or three years. Moreover, all businesses due to benefit will have their rates reduced at the outset, and they will be able to plan their business in the knowledge of the full reduction that they will eventually receive.
As the Bill left this House, it contained provisions for setting such a ceiling for the years 1990–95 and for the costs to be met by a premium on the NNDR poundage, which would have been phased over the same period. As a result of the views expressed in the House and by business representative organisations, my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State announced on Report on 21 April that we would make some modifications to the arrangements. These amendments give effect to those commitments.
The debate was originally timed to go on for much longer, but, because of the antics of the Opposition, much of that time has been wasted on pointless Divisions. Notwithstanding that, I shall make my remarks shorter than I otherwise would have done.
§ Mr. RookerThe Minister has a damned cheek. Earlier this afternoon, with other Conservative Members, he voted to stop us debating the Lords amendments and thereby deprived us of the chance of voting against any or all of those to which we object. He then complained when we, Her Majesty's Opposition, decided—it was not the Government deciding for us—what we will vote against, 1201 without orders from the Government. He had a damned cheek to make that remark. We choose what happens when he has cut our time.
§ Mr. RookerNo, I shall not give way. The Minister took too long anyway. The debate finishes at 10.15. The Minister has a damned cheek, and I am entitled to make a complaint about his remark, just to set it on the record.
On 9 June, in another place, the Earl of Caithness said:
This is not to deny that there will be some businesses in particular locations that will face large increases."—[Official Report, House of Lords, 9 June 1988; Vol. 497, c. 1539.]I wait in due course—it will not be this year, but some time before the howls of protest from Conservative Members—for the time when the effects of revaluation and the operation of the national business rate—I do not know why we changed it, but it is still our unified business rate—come together. That will cause horrendous problems in many parts of the country.It is not only industry that will gain. Obviously, old factories, which, tragically, not many people want to rent, will tend to fall relatively in rateable value. But not all old factories are in the north. There are many manufacturing areas in the south. Rates will go through the roof. In Committee, reference was made to an enterprise in Canterbury—not a factory, a nursery. The effect of the national business rate and revaluation will put up rate payments by 722 per cent. It is the case that I always remember, because we did not have a higher example. The increase will be 722 per cent. because of the operation of revaluation, along with the unified business rate.
It is true that many aspects of business have been led to believe that, on paper, they will gain. That is right. In the midlands and in the north, on paper, many businesses, particularly traditional businesses, will gain, and new businesses—high-tech offices, high street shops and so on—will pay more.
The gainers will have their gains capped to buttress the losses for those who are to lose. Business men in the north of the country were told, "There is a stack of money coming off the rates. People down south are going to pay a lot more". That is not true. The business men in the midlands and the north will pay such a surcharge so that, for example, people in that nursery in Canterbury do not have to pay that 722 per cent. all in one go. [Interruption.] The fact that they will not get all the gains that Ministers said they would get has not been fully explained to business men in the midlands and the north. I do not say this as a criticism; I must take this brief opportunity, which is all I am permitted, so that in 1989 and 1990, when the scheme is introduced, no Conservative Member will be able to say that the Opposition did not warn them.
When the howls of protest come from small and large businesses all over Britain, it will be the Opposition—[HON. MEMBERS: "No."] Even in the south, some businesses will be hit. The Opposition have warned about this—to their credit, so did one or two Conservative Members—in Committee and on Report. We have said that the system will not quite work as the propaganda says. We do not have the details. The Minister still cannot tell us the length of the transitional periods when the gainers have their money capped. He said that it would be two years for some but a lot longer for other businesses.
Conservative Members, including the hon. Member for Derbyshire, West (Mr. McLoughlin), applauded the fact 1202 that the poll tax will be tied to the rate of inflation. That is fine, as long as Conservative Members can say to their constituents in due course that the personal poll tax went through the roof exponentially in two or three years, even under Tory authorities, because the business rate was capped artificially in line with inflation. We all know that by no stretch of imagination can local authority expenditure normally be compartmentalised in the retail price index. [HON. MEMBERS: "Why."] For the same reason that NHS expenditure cannot be compartmentalised in the RPI.
§ Dame Elaine Kellett-BowmanWill the hon. Gentleman give way?
§ Mr. RookerThe hon. Lady voted to limit our remarks and to stop us from debating, so I do not intend to give way to her.
Local authority expenditure cannot be compartmentalised, for an obvious reason—its nature. It is labour intensive. Even some local government capital increases by much more than the RPI. The same applies to the health authorities, as the hon. Lady knows. If the business rate and Government grant are capped in line with inflation, for every 1 per cent. that local authority expenditure is above the Government's imposed norms—what Whitehall thinks is best for the hon. Lady's local authority—the poll tax of her constituents will increase by 4p. That is 4p for 1 p. The hon. Lady will have a job explaining to her constituents that it is not a matter of one for one. She will have to explain why the business rate is capped. Businesses will not be paying a rate that is at all relative to what they receive from local authorities.
It is important that local authorities talk to businesses. I want that to happen. We support the revaluation. It should have occurred in the domestic sector, let alone in the industrial sector. But revaluation at the same time as the national business rate causes the problem. In due course, the Government may decide to go ahead with one and not the other. They cannot say that they will not because they do not yet have the figures and will not have the sample survey until later in the year.
The Minister told businesses that some will lose and some will gain, but overall the Government would be merely collecting the same amount, so it would he OK. Exactly the same argument applies to the poll tax. It only collects the same amount as domestic rates, although there are massive differences in how people will lose and gain. It will be the same in the business sector. It is no good the Minister saying, "We are only collecting the same amount of money," when small business men and others are queueing up in his office saying, "You did not explain, Minister, that you were putting us out of business by what you did. You did not tell the House of Commons how much extra we would have to pay, but you pushed the legislation through without proper debate. You said that you would give us some transitional protection, but we now find that that does not work for our businesses in our part of the country." That is bound to happen, as the Minister knows.
In the interests of good order and good debate, I draw my remarks to a close so that all hon. Members who voted for the guillotine can actually participate.
§ Mr. Simon Hughes (Southwark and Bermondsey)Thirty seconds of the debate remain. That shows the ludicrousness of the guillotine procedure.
1203 The Government have come to the House with no figures and have resisted the demand made by small businesses for a lower rate. The Minister knows that he and his Government will still be in power when small business men say, "You did not tell us the truth." The figures do not add up. They have never been given, and the Government have not——
§ It being a quarter past Ten o'clock MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER proceeded, pursuant to the Order this day, to put forthwith the Question already proposed from the Chair.
§ Question agreed to.
§ Lords amendment No. 88 agreed to.
§ MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER then proceeded to put forthwith the Questions necessary to dispose of the business to be concluded at that hour.
§ Question put forthwith, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in their amendment No. 300:—
§ The House Divided: Ayes 293, Noes 206.
1206| Division No. 434] | [10.15 pm |
| AYES | |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) |
| Alexander, Richard | Colvin, Michael |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Conway, Derek |
| Amos, Alan | Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) |
| Arbuthnot, James | Coombs, Simon (Swindon) |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Cope, Rt Hon John |
| Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) | Couchman, James |
| Ashby, David | Cran, James |
| Atkins, Robert | Currie, Mrs Edwina |
| Atkinson, David | Curry, David |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) |
| Baldry, Tony | Davis, David (Boothferry) |
| Batiste, Spencer | Day, Stephen |
| Bellingham, Henry | Devlin, Tim |
| Bendall, Vivian | Dicks, Terry |
| Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Dorrell, Stephen |
| Bevan, David Gilroy | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James |
| Biggs-Davison, Sir John | Dover, Den |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Dunn, Bob |
| Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Durant, Tony |
| Body, Sir Richard | Emery, Sir Peter |
| Boswell, Tim | Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) |
| Bottomley, Peter | Evennett, David |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Fallon, Michael |
| Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) | Farr, Sir John |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Favell, Tony |
| Bowis, John | Fenner, Dame Peggy |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes | Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Fishburn, John Dudley |
| Brazier, Julian | Fookes, Miss Janet |
| Bright, Graham | Forman, Nigel |
| Brittan, Rt Hon Leon | Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Forth, Eric |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's) | Fox, Sir Marcus |
| Browne, John (Winchester) | Franks, Cecil |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Freeman, Roger |
| Buck, Sir Antony | French, Douglas |
| Burt, Alistair | Fry, Peter |
| Butcher, John | Gale, Roger |
| Butler, Chris | Gardiner, George |
| Butterfill, John | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
| Carlisle, John, (Luton N) | Gill, Christopher |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles |
| Carrington, Matthew | Gorman, Mrs Teresa |
| Cash, William | Gorst, John |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Gow, Ian |
| Chapman, Sydney | Gower, Sir Raymond |
| Chope, Christopher | Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) |
| Churchill, Mr | Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Greenway, John (Ryedale) |
| Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) | Gregory, Conal |
| Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) | Mellor, David |
| Grist, Ian | Miller, Sir Hal |
| Ground, Patrick | Mills, Iain |
| Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
| Hanley, Jeremy | Mitchell, David (Hants NW) |
| Hannam, John | Moate, Roger |
| Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') | Monro, Sir Hector |
| Harris, David | Montgomery, Sir Fergus |
| Haselhurst, Alan | Moore, Rt Hon John |
| Hawkins, Christopher | Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester) |
| Hayes, Jerry | Moss, Malcolm |
| Hayward, Robert | Moynihan, Hon Colin |
| Heathcoat-Amory, David | Mudd, David |
| Heddle, John | Neale, Gerrard |
| Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE) | Nelson, Anthony |
| Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. | Neubert, Michael |
| Hill, James | Newton, Rt Hon Tony |
| Hind, Kenneth | Nicholls, Patrick |
| Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) | Nicholson, David (Taunton) |
| Holt, Richard | Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) |
| Howard, Michael | Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley |
| Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) | Oppenheim, Phillip |
| Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Page, Richard |
| Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) | Paice, James |
| Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) | Patnick, Irvine |
| Hunt, David (Wirral W) | Patten, Chris (Bath) |
| Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) | Pawsey, James |
| Hunter, Andrew | Porter, David (Waveney) |
| Irving, Charles | Portillo, Michael |
| Jack, Michael | Powell, William (Corby) |
| Jackson, Robert | Price, Sir David |
| Janman, Tim | Raison, Rt Hon Timothy |
| Jessel, Toby | Redwood, John |
| Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey | Rhodes James, Robert |
| Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) | Riddick, Graham |
| Jones, Robert B (Herts W) | Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas |
| Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine | Ridsdale, Sir Julian |
| Key, Robert | Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm |
| Kilfedder, James | Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) |
| King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) | Roe, Mrs Marion |
| King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) | Rossi, Sir Hugh |
| Kirkhope, Timothy | Rost, Peter |
| Knapman, Roger | Rowe, Andrew |
| Knight, Greg (Derby North) | Rumbold, Mrs Angela |
| Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston) | Ryder, Richard |
| Knowles, Michael | Sackville, Hon Tom |
| Lamont, Rt Hon Norman | Sainsbury, Hon Tim |
| Lang, Ian | Sayeed, Jonathan |
| Latham, Michael | Shaw, David (Dover) |
| Lawrence, Ivan | Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) |
| Lee, John (Pendle) | Shelton, William (Streatham) |
| Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) | Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW) |
| Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| Lightbown, David | Sims, Roger |
| Lilley, Peter | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) |
| Lord, Michael | Soames, Hon Nicholas |
| Luce, Rt Hon Richard | Speed, Keith |
| Lyell, Sir Nicholas | Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) |
| McCrindle, Robert | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Macfarlane, Sir Neil | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| MacGregor, Rt Hon John | Stanley, Rt Hon John |
| MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) | Stern, Michael |
| Maclean, David | Stevens, Lewis |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) |
| McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael | Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) |
| McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) | Stewart, Ian (Hertfordshire N) |
| Madel, David | Stradling Thomas, Sir John |
| Major, Rt Hon John | Sumberg, David |
| Malins, Humfrey | Summerson, Hugo |
| Mans, Keith | Taylor, Ian (Esher) |
| Maples, John | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Marland, Paul | Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| Marlow, Tony | Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman |
| Marshall, John (Hendon S) | Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) |
| Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Martin, David (Portsmouth S) | Thorne, Neil |
| Maude, Hon Francis | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Mawhinney, Dr Brian | Thurnham, Peter |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) | Wells, Bowen |
| Tracey, Richard | Wheeler, John |
| Tredinnick, David | Whitney, Ray |
| Trippier, David | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Trotter, Neville | Wilkinson, John |
| Twinn, Dr Ian | Wilshire, David |
| Vaughan, Sir Gerard | Wolfson, Mark |
| Viggers, Peter | Wood, Timothy |
| Waddington, Rt Hon David | Woodcock, Mike |
| Wakeham, Rt Hon John | Yeo, Tim |
| Waldegrave, Hon William | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Walden, George | Younger, Rt Hon George |
| Waller, Gary | |
| Ward, John | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) | Mr. Robert Boscawen and Mr. Alan Howarth. |
| Watts, John |
| NOES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Evans, John (St Helens N) |
| Adams, Allen (Paisley N) | Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) |
| Allen, Graham | Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) |
| Anderson, Donald | Fatchett, Derek |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Faulds, Andrew |
| Armstrong, Hilary | Field, Frank (Birkenhead) |
| Ashley, Rt Hon Jack | Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Fisher, Mark |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Flannery, Martin |
| Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) | Flynn, Paul |
| Barron, Kevin | Foot, Rt Hon Michael |
| Battle, John | Forsythe, Clifford (Antrim S) |
| Beckett, Margaret | Foster, Derek |
| Beggs, Roy | Foulkes, George |
| Beith, A. J. | Fraser, John |
| Bell, Stuart | Fyfe, Maria |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Galbraith, Sam |
| Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) | Galloway, George |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Garrett, John (Norwich South) |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Garrett, Ted (Wallsend) |
| Blair, Tony | George, Bruce |
| Boateng, Paul | Godman, Dr Norman A. |
| Boyes, Roland | Gould, Bryan |
| Bradley, Keith | Graham, Thomas |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) |
| Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) | Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) |
| Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) | Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) |
| Buchan, Norman | Grocott, Bruce |
| Buckley, George J. | Hardy, Peter |
| Caborn, Richard | Harman, Ms Harriet |
| Callaghan, Jim | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy |
| Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) | Haynes, Frank |
| Campbell-Savours, D. N. | Healey, Rt Hon Denis |
| Cartwright, John | Henderson, Doug |
| Clark, Dr David (S Shields) | Hinchliffe, David |
| Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) | Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) |
| Clay, Bob | Holland, Stuart |
| Clelland, David | Home Robertson, John |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | Hood, Jimmy |
| Cohen, Harry | Howell, Rt Hon D. (S'heath) |
| Cook, Frank (Stockton N) | Hughes, John (Coventry NE) |
| Cook, Robin (Livingston) | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) |
| Corbett, Robin | Hughes, Roy (Newport E) |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S) |
| Cousins, Jim | Hughes, Simon (Southward) |
| Cox, Tom | Illsley, Eric |
| Cryer, Bob | Janner, Greville |
| Cummings, John | John, Brynmor |
| Cunliffe, Lawrence | Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) |
| Dalyell, Tam | Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W) |
| Darling, Alistair | Kennedy, Charles |
| Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) | Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) | Kirkwood, Archy |
| Dewar, Donald | Lambie, David |
| Dixon, Don | Lamond, James |
| Dobson, Frank | Leighton, Ron |
| Doran, Frank | Lestor, Joan (Eccles) |
| Douglas, Dick | Lewis, Terry |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | Litherland, Robert |
| Dunnachie, Jimmy | Livsey, Richard |
| Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth | Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) |
| Eastham, Ken | Lofthouse, Geoffrey |
| Loyden, Eddie | Redmond, Martin |
| McAlhon, John | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn |
| McAvoy, Thomas | Reid, Dr John |
| McCartney, Ian | Richardson, Jo |
| McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) | Roberts, Allan (Bootle) |
| McKelvey, William | Robertson, George |
| McLeish, Henry | Rogers, Allan |
| McNamara, Kevin | Rooker, Jeff |
| McTaggart, Bob | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| McWilliam, John | Rowlands, Ted |
| Madden, Max | Ruddock, Joan |
| Maginnis, Ken | Salmond, Alex |
| Mahon, Mrs Alice | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Marek, Dr John | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Marshall, David (Shettleston) | Short, Clare |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Martin, Michael J (Springburn) | Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) |
| Maxton, John | Smith, C (Isl'ton & F'bury) |
| Meacher, Michael | Smith, Rt Hon J (Monk'ds E) |
| Meale, Alan | Soley, Clive |
| Michael, Alun | Spearing, Nigel |
| Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Millan, Rt Hon Bruce | Strang, Gavin |
| Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| Molyneaux, Rt Hon James | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Morgan, Rhodri | Turner, Dennis |
| Morley, Elliott | Vaz, Keith |
| Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) | Wall, Pat |
| Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Walley, Joan |
| Mullin, Chris | Warden, Gareth (Gower) |
| Murphy, Paul | Waremg, Robert N |
| Nellist, Dave | Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N) |
| Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon | Williams, Rt Hon Alan |
| O'Brien, William | Wilson, Brian |
| O'Neill, Martin | Winnick, David |
| Parry, Robert | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Patchett, Terry | Worthington, Tony |
| Pike, Peter L | Wray, Jimmy |
| Powell, Ray (Ogmore) | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Prescott, John | |
| Primarolo, Dawn | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Quin, Ms Joyce | Mrs Llin Golding and Mr Adam Ingram. |
| Radice, Giles |
§ Question agreed to.
§ Lords amendment No. 300 disagreed to.
§ Question put, That this House doth disagree with i he Lords in their amendment No. 302:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 288, Noes 205.
1209| Division No. 435] | [10.29 pm |
| AYES | |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard |
| Alexander, Richard | Brandon-Bravo, Martin |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Brazier, Julian |
| Amos, Alan | Bright, Graham |
| Arbuthnot, James | Brittan, Rt Hon Leon |
| Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) | Brooke, Rt Hon Peter |
| Ashby, David | Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's) |
| Atkins, Robert | Browne, John (Winchester) |
| Atkinson, David | Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Buck, Sir Antony |
| Baldry, Tony | Burt, Alistair |
| Batiste, Spencer | Butcher, John |
| Bellingham, Henry | Butler, Chris |
| Bendall, Vivian | Butterfill, John |
| Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Carlisle, John, (Luton N) |
| Bevan, David Gilroy | Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) |
| Biggs-Davison, Sir John | Carrington, Matthew |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Cash, William |
| Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Channon, Rt Hon Paul |
| Body, Sir Richard | Chapman, Sydney |
| Boswell, Tim | Chope, Christopher |
| Bottomley, Peter | Churchill, Mr |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) |
| Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) | Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) |
| Bowis, John | Colvin, Michael |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes | Conway, Derek |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Jones, Robert B (Harts W) |
| Cope, Rt Hon John | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Couchman, James | Key, Robert |
| Cran, James | Kilfedder, James |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) |
| Curry, David | King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) |
| Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) | Kirkhope, Timothy |
| Davis, David (Boothferry) | Knapman, Roger |
| Day, Stephen | Knight, Greg (Derby North) |
| Devlin, Tim | Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston) |
| Dicks, Terry | Knowles, Michael |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Lamont, Rt Hon Norman |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Lang, Ian |
| Dover, Den | Latham, Michael |
| Dunn, Bob | Lawrence, Ivan |
| Durant, Tony | Lee, John (Pendle) |
| Emery, Sir Peter | Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) |
| Evennett, David | Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark |
| Fallon, Michael | Lightbown, David |
| Farr, Sir John | Lilley, Peter |
| Favell, Tony | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) |
| Fenner, Dame Peggy | Lord, Michael |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Luce, Rt Hon Richard |
| Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey | Lyell, Sir Nicholas |
| Fishburn, John Dudley | McCrindle, Robert |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | Macfarlane, Sir Neil |
| Forman, Nigel | MacGregor, Rt Hon John |
| Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) | MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) |
| Forth, Eric | Maclean, David |
| Fox, Sir Marcus | McLoughlin, Patrick |
| Franks, Cecil | McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael |
| Freeman, Roger | McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) |
| French, Douglas | Madel, David |
| Fry, Peter | Major, Rt Hon John |
| Gale, Roger | Malins, Humfrey |
| Gardiner, George | Mans, Keith |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | Maples, John |
| Gill, Christopher | Marland, Paul |
| Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles | Marlow, Tony |
| Gorman, Mrs Teresa | Marshall, John (Hendon S) |
| Gorst, John | Martin, David (Portsmouth S) |
| Gow, Ian | Maude, Hon Francis |
| Gower, Sir Raymond | Mawhinney, Dr Brian |
| Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin |
| Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) | Mellor, David |
| Greenway, John (Ryedale) | Miller, Sir Hal |
| Gregory, Conal | Mills, Iain |
| Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) | Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) |
| Grist, Ian | Mitchell, David (Hants NW) |
| Ground, Patrick | Moate, Roger |
| Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn | Monro, Sir Hector |
| Hanley, Jeremy | Montgomery, Sir Fergus |
| Hannam, John | Moore, Rt Hon John |
| Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') | Morrison, Rt Hon P (Chester) |
| Harris, David | Moss, Malcolm |
| Haselhurst, Alan | Moynihan, Hon Colin |
| Hawkins, Christopher | Mudd, David |
| Hayes, Jerry | Neale, Gerrard |
| Hayward, Robert | Nelson, Anthony |
| Heathcoat-Amory, David | Neubert, Michael |
| Heddle, John | Newton, Rt Hon Tony |
| Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE) | Nicholls, Patrick |
| Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. | Nicholson, David (Taunton) |
| Hill, James | Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) |
| Hind, Kenneth | Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley |
| Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) | Oppenheim, Phillip |
| Holt, Richard | Page, Richard |
| Howard, Michael | Paice, James |
| Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) | Patnick, Irvine |
| Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) | Patten, Chris (Bath) |
| Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) | Pawsey, James |
| Hunt, David (Wirral W) | Porter, David (Waveney) |
| Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) | Portillo, Michael |
| Hunter, Andrew | Powell, William (Corby) |
| Irving, Charles | Price, Sir David |
| Jack, Michael | Raison, Rt Hon Timothy |
| Janman, Tim | Redwood, John |
| Jessel, Toby | Rhodes James, Robert |
| Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey | Riddick, Graham |
| Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas | Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) |
| Ridsdale, Sir Julian | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm | Thorne, Neil |
| Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Roe, Mrs Marion | Thurnham, Peter |
| Rossi, Sir Hugh | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Rost, Peter | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Rowe, Andrew | Tracey, Richard |
| Rumbold, Mrs Angela | Tredinnick, David |
| Ryder, Richard | Trippier, David |
| Sackville, Hon Tom | Trotter, Neville |
| Sainsbury, Hon Tim | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Sayeed, Jonathan | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Shaw, David (Dover) | Viggers, Peter |
| Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) | Waddington, Rt Hon David |
| Shelton, William (Streatham) | Waldegrave, Hon William |
| Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW) | Walden, George |
| Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) | Waller, Gary |
| Sims, Roger | Ward, John |
| Skeet, Sir Trevor | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) | Watts, John |
| Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) | Wells, Bowen |
| Soames, Hon Nicholas | Wheeler, John |
| Speed, Keith | Whitney, Ray |
| Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) | Wilkinson, John |
| Stanbrook, Ivor | Wilshire, David |
| Stanley, Rt Hon John | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Stern, Michael | Wolfson, Mark |
| Stevens, Lewis | Wood, Timothy |
| Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) | Woodcock, Mike |
| Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) | Yeo, Tim |
| Stewart, Ian (Hertfordshire N) | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Stradling Thomas, Sir John | Younger, Rt Hon George |
| Sumberg, David | |
| Summerson, Hugo | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Taylor, Ian (Esher) | Mr. Robert Boscawen and Mr. Alan Howarth. |
| Taylor, John M (Solihull) | |
| Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| NOES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Cohen, Harry |
| Adams, Allen (Paisley N) | Cook, Frank (Stockton N) |
| Allen, Graham | Corbett, Robin |
| Anderson, Donald | Corbyn, Jeremy |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Cousins, Jim |
| Armstrong, Hilary | Cox, Tom |
| Ashley, Rt Hon Jack | Cryer, Bob |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Cummings, John |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Dalyell, Tam |
| Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) | Darling, Alistair |
| Barron, Kevin | Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) |
| Battle, John | Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) |
| Beckett, Margaret | Dewar, Donald |
| Beggs, Roy | Dixon, Don |
| Beith, A. J. | Dobson, Frank |
| Bell, Stuart | Doran, Frank |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Douglas, Dick |
| Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) | Duffy, A. E. P. |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Dunnachie, Jimmy |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth |
| Blair, Tony | Eastham, Ken |
| Boateng, Paul | Evans, John (St Helens N) |
| Boyes, Roland | Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) |
| Bradley, Keith | Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Fatchett, Derek |
| Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) | Faulds, Andrew |
| Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) | Field, Frank (Birkenhead) |
| Buchan, Norman | Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) |
| Buckley, George J. | Fisher, Mark |
| Caborn, Richard | Flannery, Martin |
| Callaghan, Jim | Flynn, Paul |
| Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) | Foot, Rt Hon Michael |
| Campbell-Savours, D. N. | Forsythe, Clifford (Antrim S) |
| Cartwright, John | Foster, Derek |
| Clark, Dr David (S Shields) | Foulkes, George |
| Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) | Fraser, John |
| Clay, Bob | Fyfe, Maria |
| Clelland, David | Galbraith, Sam |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | Galloway, George |
| Garrett, John (Norwich South) | Michael, Alun |
| Garrett, Ted (Wallsend) | Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) |
| George, Bruce | Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute) |
| Godman, Dr Norman A. | Millan, Rt Hon Bruce |
| Gould, Bryan | Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) |
| Graham, Thomas | Molyneaux, Rt Hon James |
| Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) | Morgan, Rhodri |
| Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) | Morley, Elliott |
| Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) | Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) |
| Grocott, Bruce | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) |
| Hardy, Peter | Mullin, Chris |
| Harman, Ms Harriet | Murphy, Paul |
| Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Nellist, Dave |
| Haynes, Frank | Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon |
| Healey, Rt Hon Denis | O'Brien, William |
| Henderson, Doug | O'Neill, Martin |
| Hinchliffe, David | Parry, Robert |
| Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) | Patchett, Terry |
| Holland, Stuart | Pike, Peter L. |
| Home Robertson, John | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Hood, Jimmy | Prescott, John |
| Howell, Rt Hon D. (S'heath) | Primarolo, Dawn |
| Hughes, John (Coventry NE) | Quin, Ms Joyce |
| Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) | Radice, Giles |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport E) | Redmond, Martin |
| Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S) | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn |
| Hughes, Simon (Southwark) | Reid, Dr John |
| Illsley, Eric | Richardson, Jo |
| Ingram, Adam | Robertson, George |
| Janner, Greville | Rogers, Allan |
| John, Brynmor | Rooker, Jeff |
| Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W) | Rowlands, Ted |
| Kennedy, Charles | Ruddock, Joan |
| Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil | Salmond, Alex |
| Kirkwood, Archy | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Lambie, David | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Lamond, James | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Leighton, Ron | Short, Clare |
| Lestor, Joan (Eccles) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Lewis, Terry | Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) |
| Litherland, Robert | Smith, C. (Isl'ton & Fbury) |
| Livsey, Richard | Smith, Rt Hon J. (Monk'ds E) |
| Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) | Spearing, Nigel |
| Lofthouse, Geoffrey | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Loyden, Eddie | Strang, Gavin |
| McAllion, John | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| McAvoy, Thomas | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| McCartney, Ian | Turner, Dennis |
| McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) | Vaz, Keith |
| McKelvey, William | Wall, Pat |
| McLeish, Henry | Walley, Joan |
| McNamara, Kevin | Wardell, Gareth (Gower) |
| McTaggart, Bob | Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N) |
| McWilliam, John | Williams, Rt Hon Alan |
| Madden, Max | Wilson, Brian |
| Maginnis, Ken | Winnick, David |
| Mahon, Mrs Alice | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Marek, Dr John | Worthington, Tony |
| Marshall, David (Shettleston) | Wray, Jimmy |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Martin, Michael J. (Springburn) | |
| Maxton, John | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Meacher, Michael | Mrs. Llin Golding and Mr. Robert N. Wareing. |
| Meale, Alan |
§ Question agreed to.
§ Lords amendment No. 302 accordingly disagreed to.
§ Question put, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in their amendment No. 303:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 287, Noes 205.
1214| Division No. 436] | [10.43 pm |
| AYES | |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Arnold, Jacques (Gravesham) |
| Alexander, Richard | Ashby, David |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Atkins, Robert |
| Amos, Alan | Atkinson, David |
| Arbuthnot, James | Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) |
| Baldry, Tony | Gale, Roger |
| Batiste, Spencer | Gardiner, George |
| Bellingham, Henry | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
| Bendall, Vivian | Gill, Christopher |
| Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles |
| Bevan, David Gilroy | Gorman, Mrs Teresa |
| Biggs-Davison, Sir John | Gorst, John |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Gow, Ian |
| Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Gower, Sir Raymond |
| Body, Sir Richard | Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) |
| Boswell, Tim | Greenway, John (Ryedale) |
| Bottomley, Peter | Gregory, Conal |
| Bottomley, Mrs Virginia | Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) |
| Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) | Grist, Ian |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Ground, Patrick |
| Bowis, John | Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes | Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Hanley, Jeremy |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Hannam, John |
| Brazier, Julian | Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') |
| Bright, Graham | Harris, David |
| Brittan, Rt Hon Leon | Haselhurst, Alan |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Hawkins, Christopher |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's) | Hayes, Jerry |
| Browne, John (Winchester) | Hayward, Robert |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Buck, Sir Antony | Heddle, John |
| Burt, Alistair | Hicks, Mrs Maureen (Wolv' NE) |
| Butcher, John | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. |
| Butler, Chris | Hill, James |
| Butterfill, John | Hind, Kenneth |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) |
| Carrington, Matthew | Holt, Richard |
| Cash, William | Howard, Michael |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Howarth, G. (Cannock S B'wd) |
| Chapman, Sydney | Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) |
| Chope, Christopher | Hunt, David (Wirral W) |
| Churchill, Mr | Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Hunter, Andrew |
| Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) | Irving, Charles |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Jack, Michael |
| Colvin, Michael | Jackson, Robert |
| Conway, Derek | Janman, Tim |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Jessel, Toby |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey |
| Cope, Rt Hon John | Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) |
| Couchman, James | Jones, Robert B (Herts W) |
| Cran, James | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | Key, Robert |
| Curry, David | Kilfedder, James |
| Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) | King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) |
| Davis, David (Boothferry) | King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwatgr) |
| Day, Stephen | Kirkhope, Timothy |
| Devlin, Tim | Knapman, Roger |
| Dicks, Terry | Knight, Greg (Derby North) |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Knight, Dame Jill (Edgbaston) |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Knowles, Michael |
| Dover, Den | Lamont, Rt Hon Norman |
| Dunn, Bob | Lang, Ian |
| Durant, Tony | Latham, Michael |
| Emery, Sir Peter | Lawrence, Ivan |
| Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) | Lee, John (Pendle) |
| Evennett, David | Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) |
| Fallon, Michael | Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark |
| Farr, Sir John | Lightbown, David |
| Favell, Tony | Lilley, Peter |
| Fenner, Dame Peggy | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) |
| Field, Barry (Isle of Wight) | Lord, Michael |
| Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey | Luce, Rt Hon Richard |
| Fishburn, Dudley | Lyell, Sir Nicholas |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | McCrindle, Robert |
| Forman, Nigel | Macfarlane, Sir Neil |
| Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) | MacGregor, Rt Hon John |
| Forth, Eric | MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) |
| Fox, Sir Marcus | Maclean, David |
| Franks, Cecil | McLoughlin, Patrick |
| Freeman, Roger | McNair-Wilson, Sir Michael |
| French, Douglas | McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) |
| Fry, Peter | Madel, David |
| Major, Rt Hon John | Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) |
| Malins, Humfrey | Sims, Roger |
| Mans, Keith | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Maples, John | Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) |
| Marland, Paul | Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) |
| Marlow, Tony | Soames, Hon Nicholas |
| Marshall, John (Hendon S) | Speed, Keith |
| Martin, David (Portsmouth S) | Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) |
| Maude, Hon Francis | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| Mawhinney, Dr Brian | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Stanley, Rt Hon John |
| Mellor, David | Stern, Michael |
| Miller, Sir Hal | Stevens, Lewis |
| Mills, Iain | Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) |
| Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) | Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) |
| Mitchell, David (Hants NW) | Stewart, Ian (Hertfordshire N) |
| Moate, Roger | Stradling Thomas, Sir John |
| Monro, Sir Hector | Sumberg, David |
| Montgomery, Sir Fergus | Summerson, Hugo |
| Moore, Rt Hon John | Taylor, Ian (Esher) |
| Moss, Malcolm | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Moynihan, Hon Colin | Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| Mudd, David | Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman |
| Neale, Gerrard | Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) |
| Nelson, Anthony | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N |
| Neubert, Michael | Thorne, Neil |
| Newton, Rt Hon Tony | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Thurnham, Peter |
| Nicholson, David (Taunton) | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley | Tracey, Richard |
| Oppenheim, Phillip | Tredinnick, David |
| Page, Richard | Trippier, David |
| Paice, James | Trotter, Neville |
| Patnick, Irvine | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Patten, Chris (Bath) | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Pawsey, James | Viggers, Peter |
| Porter, David (Waveney) | Waddington, Rt Hon David |
| Portillo, Michael | Waldegrave, Hon William |
| Powell, William (Corby) | Walden, George |
| Raison, Rt Hon Timothy | Waller, Gary |
| Redwood, John | Ward, John |
| Rhodes James, Robert | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Riddick, Graham | Watts, John |
| Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas | Wells, Bowen |
| Ridsdale, Sir Julian | Wheeler, John |
| Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm | Whitney, Ray |
| Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Roe, Mrs Marion | Wilkinson, John |
| Rossi, Sir Hugh | Wilshire, David |
| Rost, Peter | Wolfson, Mark |
| Rowe, Andrew | Wood, Timothy |
| Rumbold, Mrs Angela | Woodcock, Mike |
| Sackville, Hon Tom | Yeo, Tim |
| Sainsbury, Hon Tim | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Sayeed, Jonathan | Younger, Rt Hon George |
| Scott, Nicholas | |
| Shaw, David (Dover) | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) | Mr. Richard Ryder and Mr. Alan Howarth. |
| Shelton, William (Streatham) | |
| Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW) |
| NOES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) |
| Adams, Allen (Paisley N) | Bermingham, Gerald |
| Allen, Graham | Bidwell, Sydney |
| Anderson, Donald | Blair, Tony |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Boateng, Paul |
| Armstrong, Hilary | Boyes, Roland |
| Ashley, Rt Hon Jack | Bradley, Keith |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Bray, Dr Jeremy |
| Barnes, Harry (Derbyshire NE) | Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) |
| Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) | Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) |
| Barron, Kevin | Buchan, Norman |
| Battle, John | Buckley, George J. |
| Beckett, Margaret | Caborn, Richard |
| Beggs, Roy | Callaghan, Jim |
| Beith, A. J. | Campbell, Ron (Blyth Valley) |
| Bell, Stuart | Campbell-Savours, D. N. |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Cartwright, John |
| Clark, Dr David (S Shields) | Lamond, James |
| Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) | Leighton, Ron |
| Clay, Bob | Lestor, Joan (Eccles) |
| Clelland, David | Lewis, Terry |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | Litherland, Robert |
| Cohen, Harry | Livsey, Richard |
| Coleman, Donald | Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) |
| Cook, Frank (Stockton N) | Lofthouse, Geoffrey |
| Corbett, Robin | Loyden, Eddie |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | McAllion, John |
| Cousins, Jim | McAvoy, Thomas |
| Cox, Tom | McCartney, Ian |
| Cryer, Bob | McKay, Allen (Barnsley West) |
| Cummings, John | McKelvey, William |
| Dalyell, Tam | McLeish, Henry |
| Darling, Alistair | McNamara, Kevin |
| Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) | McTaggart, Bob |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'l) | McWilliam, John |
| Dewar, Donald | Madden, Max |
| Dixon, Don | Maginnis, Ken |
| Dobson, Frank | Mahon, Mrs Alice |
| Doran, Frank | Marek, Dr John |
| Douglas, Dick | Marshall, David (Shettleston) |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) |
| Dunnachie, Jimmy | Martin, Michael J. (Springburn) |
| Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth | Maxton, John |
| Eastham, Ken | Meacher, Michael |
| Ewing, Harry (Falkirk E) | Meale, Alan |
| Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) | Michael, Alun |
| Fatchett, Derek | Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) |
| Faulds, Andrew | Michie, Mrs Ray (Arg'l & Bute) |
| Field, Frank (Birkenhead) | Millan, Rt Hon Bruce |
| Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) | Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) |
| Fisher, Mark | Molyneaux, Rt Hon James |
| Flannery, Martin | Morgan, Rhodri |
| Flynn, Paul | Morley, Elliott |
| Foot, Rt Hon Michael | Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe) |
| Forsythe, Clifford (Antrim S) | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) |
| Foster, Derek | Mullin, Chris |
| Foulkes, George | Murphy, Paul |
| Fraser, John | Nellist, Dave |
| Fyfe, Maria | Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon |
| Galbraith, Sam | O'Brien, William |
| Galloway, George | O'Neill, Martin |
| Garrett, John (Norwich South) | Parry, Robert |
| Garrett, Ted (Wallsend) | Patchett, Terry |
| George, Bruce | Pike, Peter L. |
| Godman, Dr Norman A. | Powell, Ray (Ogmore) |
| Graham, Thomas | Prescott, John |
| Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) | Primarolo, Dawn |
| Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) | Quin, Ms Joyce |
| Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) | Radice, Giles |
| Grocott, Bruce | Redmond, Martin |
| Hardy, Peter | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn |
| Harman, Ms Harriet | Reid, Dr John |
| Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Richardson, Jo |
| Haynes, Frank | Robertson, George |
| Healey, Rt Hon Denis | Rogers, Allan |
| Heffer, Eric S. | Rooker, Jeff |
| Henderson, Doug | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| Hinchliffe, David | Rowlands, Ted |
| Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) | Ruddock, Joan |
| Holland, Stuart | Salmond, Alex |
| Home Robertson, John | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Hood, Jimmy | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Howell, Rt Hon D. (S'heath) | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Hughes, John (Coventry NE) | Short, Clare |
| Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport E) | Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) |
| Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S) | Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury) |
| Hughes, Simon (Southwark) | Smith, Rt Hon J. (Monk'ds E) |
| Illsley, Eric | Soley, Clive |
| Ingram, Adam | Spearing, Nigel |
| John, Brynmor | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) | Strang, Gavin |
| Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W) | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| Kennedy, Charles | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Kinnock, Rt Hon Neil | Turner, Dennis |
| Kirkwood, Archy | Vaz, Keith |
| Lambie, David | Wall, Pat |
| Wallace, James | Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then) |
| Walley, Joan | Wilson, Brian |
| Welsh, Michael (Doncaster N) | Winnick, David |
| Williams, Rt Hon Alan | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Worthington, Tony | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Wray, Jimmy | Mrs. Llin Golding and Mr. Robert N. Wareing. |
| Young, David (Bolton SE) |
§ Question agreed to.
§ Lords amendment No. 303 accordingly disagreed to.
1215§ Lords amendment No. 304 disagreed to.
§ Lords amendments Nos. 89 to 91, 278, 281, 283, 284, 92 to 114, 292, 293, 115 to 117, 294, 118, 119, 139, 142, 182, 183,296 to 299,301, 305 to 311,313 to 316, 319 to 321, 324 and 327 agreed to. [Special Entry.]
§ Lords amendments Nos. 279, 280, 282, 285 to 291, 120 to 138, 140, 141, 143 to 170, 172 to 181, 184, 185, 295, 312, 317, 318, 322, 323, 325, 326 and 328 to 334 agreed to.