§ Amendments made: No. 19, in page 24, line 8, at end insert—
| '1968 c. 46. | Health Public 1968. | Service Health | and Act | Section 63(3).' |
§ No. 30, in page 25, line 14, leave out from beginning to '11' in line 15 and insert 'sections 10 and'.—[Mr. Newton.]
§ Order for Third Reading read.
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, That the Bill be now read the Third time.—[Mr. Newton.]
§ Mr. DalyellThe issue that arises is whether the House of Commons is entitled to know the technical, professional, medical advice of the chief medical officer. Understandably, hon. Members want to vote quickly so I shall leave it at that, but surely the House of Commons has a right to know what Sir Donald Acheson, and Dr. Macdonald—or whoever occupies their positions—have to say on contentious issues such as eye testing and dental charges.
§ Question put, That the Bill be now read the Third time:—
443§ The House divided: Ayes 305, Noes 185.
446| Division No. 261] | [9.55 pm |
| AYES | |
| Adley, Robert | Durant, Tony |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Eggar, Tim |
| Alexander, Richard | Emery, Sir Peter |
| Alison, Rt Hon Michael | Evans, David (Welwyn Hatf'd) |
| Allason, Rupert | Evennett, David |
| Amery, Rt Hon Julian | Fallon, Michael |
| Amess, David | Farr, Sir John |
| Amos, Alan | Favell, Tony |
| Arbuthnot, James | Fookes, Miss Janet |
| Arnold, Tom (Hazel Grove) | Forman, Nigel |
| Ashby, David | Forsyth, Michael (Stirling) |
| Aspinwall, Jack | Forth, Eric |
| Atkinson, David | Fowler, Rt Hon Norman |
| Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Valley) | Fox, Sir Marcus |
| Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) | Franks, Cecil |
| Baldry, Tony | Freeman, Roger |
| Banks, Robert (Harrogate) | Gale, Roger |
| Batiste, Spencer | Garel-Jones, Tristan |
| Bellingham, Henry | Gill, Christopher |
| Bennett, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Glyn, Dr Alan |
| Biggs-Davison, Sir John | Goodhart, Sir Philip |
| Blackburn, Dr John G. | Goodlad, Alastair |
| Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter | Goodson-Wickes, Dr Charles |
| Body, Sir Richard | Gorman, Mrs Teresa |
| Bonsor, Sir Nicholas | Gorst, John |
| Boswell, Tim | Gow, Ian |
| Bottomley, Peter | Gower, Sir Raymond |
| Bowden, A (Brighton K'pto'n) | Grant, Sir Anthony (CambsSW) |
| Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) | Greenway, Harry (Ealing N) |
| Bowis, John | Greenway, John (Ryedale) |
| Boyson, Rt Hon Dr Sir Rhodes | Griffiths, Sir Eldon (Bury St E') |
| Braine, Rt Hon Sir Bernard | Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) |
| Brandon-Bravo, Martin | Grist, Ian |
| Brazier, Julian | Ground, Patrick |
| Bright, Graham | Grylls, Michael |
| Brittan, Rt Hon Leon | Gummer, Rt Hon John Selwyn |
| Brooke, Rt Hon Peter | Hamilton, Hon Archie (Epsom) |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg & Cl't's) | Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) |
| Bruce, Ian (Dorset South) | Hampson, Dr Keith |
| Buck, Sir Antony | Hanley, Jeremy |
| Burns, Simon | Hargreaves, A. (B'ham H'll Gr') |
| Burt, Alistair | Hargreaves, Ken (Hyndburn) |
| Butcher, John | Harris, David |
| Butler, Chris | Hawkins, Christopher |
| Carlisle, John, (Luton N) | Hayes, Jerry |
| Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) | Hayhoe, Rt Hon Sir Barney |
| Carrington, Matthew | Hayward, Robert |
| Carttiss, Michael | Heathcoat-Amory, David |
| Cash, William | Heddle, John |
| Chalker, Rt Hon Mrs Lynda | Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Hicks, Robert (Cornwall SE) |
| Chapman, Sydney | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. |
| Chope, Christopher | Hind, Kenneth |
| Churchill, Mr | Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) |
| Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) | Hordern, Sir Peter |
| Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) | Howard, Michael |
| Clarke, Rt Hon K. (Rushcliffe) | Howarth, Alan (Strat'd-on-A) |
| Colvin, Michael | Howarth, G. (Cannock & B'wd) |
| Conway, Derek | Howell, Rt Hon David (G'dford) |
| Coombs, Anthony (Wyre F'rest) | Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) |
| Coombs, Simon (Swindon) | Hughes, Robert G. (Harrow W) |
| Cope, John | Hunt, David (Wirral W) |
| Couchman, James | Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) |
| Cran, James | Irvine, Michael |
| Currie, Mrs Edwina | Irving, Charles |
| Curry, David | Jack, Michael |
| Davies, Q. (Stamf'd & Spald'g) | Jackson, Robert |
| Davis, David (Boothferry) | Janman, Tim |
| Day, Stephen | Jessel, Toby |
| Devlin, Tim | Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey |
| Dickens, Geoffrey | Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) |
| Dorrell, Stephen | Jones, Robert B (Herts W) |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Kellett-Bowman, Dame Elaine |
| Dover, Den | Key, Robert |
| Dunn, Bob | King, Roger (B'ham N'thfield) |
| King, Rt Hon Tom (Bridgwater) | Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm |
| Kirkhope, Timothy | Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) |
| Knapman, Roger | Roe, Mrs Marion |
| Knight, Greg (Derby North) | Rossi, Sir Hugh |
| Knowles, Michael | Rost, Peter |
| Knox, David | Rowe, Andrew |
| Lamont, Rt Hon Norman | Rumbold, Mrs Angela |
| Lang, Ian | Ryder, Richard |
| Latham, Michael | Sackville, Hon Tom |
| Lawrence, Ivan | Sainsbury, Hon Tim |
| Lee, John (Pendle) | Sayeed, Jonathan |
| Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark | Scott, Nicholas |
| Lester, Jim (Broxtowe) | Shaw, David (Dover) |
| Lilley, Peter | Shaw, Sir Giles (Pudsey) |
| Lloyd, Sir Ian (Havant) | Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') |
| Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Shephard, Mrs G. (Norfolk SW) |
| Lord, Michael | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge) |
| Lyell, Sir Nicholas | Sims, Roger |
| McCrindle, Robert | Skeet, Sir Trevor |
| Macfarlane, Sir Neil | Smith, Sir Dudley (Warwick) |
| MacGregor, Rt Hon John | Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield) |
| MacKay, Andrew (E Berkshire) | Soames, Hon Nicholas |
| Maclean, David | Spicer, Sir Jim (Dorset W) |
| McLoughlin, Patrick | Spicer, Michael (S Worcs) |
| McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) | Squire, Robin |
| McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Madel, David | Stanley, Rt Hon John |
| Major, Rt Hon John | Stern, Michael |
| Malins, Humfrey | Stevens, Lewis |
| Mans, Keith | Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) |
| Maples, John | Stewart, Ian (Hertfordshire N) |
| Marlow, Tony | Stokes, John |
| Marshall, John (Hendon S) | Sumberg, David |
| Martin, David (Portsmouth S) | Summerson, Hugo |
| Mates, Michael | Tapsell, Sir Peter |
| Maude, Hon Francis | Taylor, Ian (Esher) |
| Mawhinney, Dr Brian | Taylor, John M (Solihull) |
| Mayhew, Rt Hon Sir Patrick | Taylor, Teddy (S'end E) |
| Mellor, David | Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman |
| Meyer, Sir Anthony | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Miller, Hal | Thompson, D. (Calder Valley) |
| Mills, Iain | Thompson, Patrick (Norwich N) |
| Mitchell, Andrew (Gedling) | Thornton, Malcolm |
| Moate, Roger | Thurnham, Peter |
| Monro, Sir Hector | Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) |
| Moore, Rt Hon John | Tracey, Richard |
| Morris, M (N'hampton S) | Tredinnick, David |
| Morrison, Hon Sir Charles | Trippier, David |
| Morrison, Hon P (Chester) | Trotter, Neville |
| Moss, Malcolm | Twinn, Dr Ian |
| Moynihan, Hon Colin | Vaughan, Sir Gerard |
| Neale, Gerrard | Viggers, Peter |
| Needham, Richard | Waddington, Rt Hon David |
| Nelson, Anthony | Wakeham, Rt Hon John |
| Neubert, Michael | Waldegrave, Hon William |
| Newton, Rt Hon Tony | Walden, George |
| Nicholls, Patrick | Walker, Bill (T'side North) |
| Nicholson, David (Taunton) | Waller, Gary |
| Nicholson, Emma (Devon West) | Walters, Dennis |
| Onslow, Rt Hon Cranley | Ward, John |
| Oppenheim, Phillip | Wardle, Charles (Bexhill) |
| Page, Richard | Warren, Kenneth |
| Paice, James | Wells, Bowen |
| Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil | Wheeler, John |
| Patnick, Irvine | Whitney, Ray |
| Patten, Chris (Bath) | Widdecombe, Ann |
| Patten, John (Oxford W) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Pattie, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Wilshire, David |
| Pawsey, James | Winterton, Mrs Ann |
| Peacock, Mrs Elizabeth | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Porter, David (Waveney) | Wolfson, Mark |
| Portillo, Michael | Wood, Timothy |
| Powell, William (Corby) | Woodcock, Mike |
| Price, Sir David | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Raffan, Keith | Younger, Rt Hon George |
| Raison, Rt Hon Timothy | |
| Redwood, John | Tellers for the Ayes: |
| Renton, Tim | Mr. Robert Boscawen and |
| Rhodes James, Robert | Mr. David Lightbown. |
| Riddick, Graham |
| NOES | |
| Abbott, Ms Diane | Doran, Frank |
| Adams, Allen (Paisley N) | Duffy, A. E. P. |
| Allen, Graham | Dunnachie, Jimmy |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth |
| Armstrong, Hilary | Eadie, Alexander |
| Ashdown, Paddy | Eastham, Ken |
| Ashley, Rt Hon Jack | Ewing, Mrs Margaret (Moray) |
| Banks, Tony (Newham NW) | Fatchett, Derek |
| Barnes, Mrs Rosie (Greenwich) | Fearn, Ronald |
| Barron, Kevin | Field, Frank (Birkenhead) |
| Battle, John | Fields, Terry (L'pool B G'n) |
| Beckett, Margaret | Fisher, Mark |
| Benn, Rt Hon Tony | Flannery, Martin |
| Bennett, A. F. (D'nt'n & R'dish) | Flynn, Paul |
| Bermingham, Gerald | Foot, Rt Hon Michael |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Foster, Derek |
| Blair, Tony | Fraser, John |
| Boyes, Roland | Fyfe, Maria |
| Bradley, Keith | Galbraith, Sam |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Galloway, George |
| Brown, Gordon (D'mline E) | Garrett, John (Norwich South) |
| Brown, Nicholas (Newcastle E) | George, Bruce |
| Brown, Ron (Edinburgh Leith) | Godman, Dr Norman A. |
| Bruce, Malcolm (Gordon) | Golding, Mrs Llin |
| Buchan, Norman | Graham, Thomas |
| Buckley, George J. | Grant, Bernie (Tottenham) |
| Caborn, Richard | Griffiths, Nigel (Edinburgh S) |
| Campbell, Menzies (Fife NE) | Griffiths, Win (Bridgend) |
| Campbell-Savours, D. N. | Grocott, Bruce |
| Canavan, Dennis | Hardy, Peter |
| Cartwright, John | Harman, Ms Harriet |
| Clarke, Tom (Monklands W) | Heffer, Eric S. |
| Clay, Bob | Henderson, Doug |
| Clelland, David | Hinchliffe, David |
| Clwyd, Mrs Ann | Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) |
| Cohen, Harry | Home Robertson, John |
| Cook, Frank (Stockton N) | Hood, Jimmy |
| Cook, Robin (Livingston) | Howarth, George (Knowsley N) |
| Corbett, Robin | Howell, Rt Hon D. (S'heath) |
| Corbyn, Jeremy | Howells, Geraint |
| Cox, Tom | Hoyle, Doug |
| Cummings, John | Hughes, John (Coventry NE) |
| Dalyell, Tam | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) |
| Darling, Alistair | Hughes, Simon (Southwark) |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Llanelli) | Illsley, Eric |
| Davies, Ron (Caerphilly) | John, Brynmor |
| Davis, Terry (B'ham Hodge H'I) | Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) |
| Dewar, Donald | Jones, Martyn (Clwyd S W) |
| Dixon, Don | Kennedy, Charles |
| Kilfedder, James | Quin, Ms Joyce |
| Kirkwood, Archy | Randall, Stuart |
| Leadbitter, Ted | Redmond, Martin |
| Leighton, Ron | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn |
| Lewis, Terry | Reid, Dr John |
| Litherland, Robert | Richardson, Jo |
| Livsey, Richard | Roberts, Allan (Bootle) |
| Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) | Robertson, George |
| Lofthouse, Geoffrey | Robinson, Geoffrey |
| Loyden, Eddie | Rogers, Allan |
| McAllion, John | Rooker, Jeff |
| McAvoy, Thomas | Ross, Ernie (Dundee W) |
| McCusker, Harold | Rowlands, Ted |
| McFall, John | Ruddock, Joan |
| McKelvey, William | Sedgemore, Brian |
| McLeish, Henry | Sheerman, Barry |
| McNamara, Kevin | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| McTaggart, Bob | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Madden, Max | Short, Clare |
| Mahon, Mrs Alice | Skinner, Dennis |
| Marek, Dr John | Smith, Andrew (Oxford E) |
| Marshall, David (Shettleston) | Smith, C. (Isl'ton & F'bury) |
| Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Soley, Clive |
| Martin, Michael J. (Springburn) | Spearing, Nigel |
| Martlew, Eric | Steinberg, Gerry |
| Meacher, Michael | Stott, Roger |
| Michie, Bill (Sheffield Heeley) | Straw, Jack |
| Millan, Rt Hon Bruce | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Dewsbury) |
| Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby) | Taylor, Matthew (Truro) |
| Molyneaux, Rt Hon James | Turner, Dennis |
| Moonie, Dr Lewis | Vaz, Keith |
| Morgan, Rhodri | Wall, Pat |
| Morley, Elliott | Walley, Joan |
| Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Wardell, Gareth (Gower) |
| Mowlam, Marjorie | Wareing, Robert N. |
| Mullin, Chris | Welsh, Andrew (Angus E) |
| Murphy, Paul | Williams, Rt Hon Alan |
| Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon | Williams, Alan W. (Carm'then) |
| O'Brien, William | Winnick, David |
| O'Neill, Martin | Worthington, Tony |
| Parry, Robert | Young, David (Bolton SE) |
| Patchett, Terry | |
| Pendry, Tom | Tellers for the Noes: |
| Pike, Peter L. | Mr. Frank Haynes and |
| Powell, Ray (Ogmore) | Mr. Allen McKay. |
| Prescott, John |