HC Deb 05 June 1986 vol 98 cc1185-94

Question again proposed, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

Mr. Speaker

Before the Minister rises again, I call for quietness, so that he may be heard.

Mr. Mitchell

British Rail tells me that its planned 20 freight trains a day in each direction equate to 1,000 38-tonne lorries a day off our roads. As one who cares deeply about the environment and our countryside, I think that that is something we can all look forward to with considerable satisfaction. I join my hon. Friend the Member for Ashford in appealing to people to stop knocking British Rail. It is certainly putting its back into trying to achieve success here.

The Kent association of exporters says——

Mr. Robert Hughes

Before the Minister leaves the questions that I put to him, will he reply to the point about the golden share?

Mr. Mitchell

I intend to reply to a number of other points that the hon. Gentleman made.

The Kent association of exporters, representing over 80 companies engaged in manufacture and goods handling, has welcomed the Channel tunnel as a major way of stimulating Britain's export potential, and it expects a major increase in exports from Kent.

The hon. Member for Aberdeen, North asked about the golden share. This is a complex issue of company law. No decision has been taken yet, and we are examining the possibilities with Eurotunnel. When a decision is taken, I shall bring it to the House.

The hon. Member for Isle of Wight (Mr. Ross) made a robust and honest speech as the official spokesman on transport for the Liberal party. He gave his unrepentant support for the Channel tunnel. I note that he laid it baldly on the line that he would take the same view as the Government if he were in government. [Interruption.] I hope that he will convey that view to the Liberal spokesman in the constituency of my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Folkestone and Hythe (Mr. Howard), who, as always, is in his place.

My hon. Friend the Member for Harwich (Sir J. Ridsdale) made some technical points, about which I shall write to him.

My hon. Friend the Member for Bexhill and Battle (Mr. Wardle) made a series of local points affecting Folkestone. [Interruption.] I shall write to him and to my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Folkestone and Hythe. I recognise that this is another example of my hon. and learned Friend's ingenuity in raising points in the House on behalf of his constituents. [Interruption.]

My right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Dover (Mr. Rees) made, as always, a valuable contribution to our debates and stressed the need for clear competition. He assured the House that the ferry operators can hold their own. [Interruption.]

Mr. Speaker

Order. These are very important matters.

Mr. Mitchell

My right hon. and learned Friend assured the House that the ferry operators can hold their own, but only if competition is fair, and I agree with him. I think that he will be interested in the speech of the right hon. Member for Lewisham, Deptford (Mr. Silkin), who dwelt on the attraction of hovercrafts and ferries and drew attention to the advantages that the ferries will have because of the long rest periods required for long distance lorry drivers, which make the ferries particularly attractive. There will be ferry work in the future as well as the tunnel work.

Mr. Silkin

I know that this is difficult for the hon. Gentleman to grasp, but I was saying that the advantage of the ferries would disappear if they were wiped out by the competition of the tunnel, which is what I imagine will happen.

Mr. Mitchell

It is interesting to note how both sides in this competitive endeavour are frightened of the competition. Both sides see the other as having an advantage. That leaves me with the suspicion that there will be a fair balance of competition between them.

My right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Dover, asked me some specific questions. He asked whether the money resolution would give covert financial aid to the Channel tunnel operators. I can give him an absolute assurance that it does not do so. He asked for an assurance on their being no faltering in the intention to complete the A20 extension into Dover. I can give him that assurance. The only reason why that is not included in the Bill is the uncertainty of the route between the GEC factory and the old battlements at the entrance to Dover, and some other local controversies. My right hon. and learned Friend asked for a timetable for improvements to the M2/A2. We expect these to be completed by 1991. My hon. Friend the Member for Faversham (Mr. Moate) asked for an assurance that there would be no question of spoil being moved by road. We had 65 options as to where spoil could go. We have whittled that down to 10, and in doing so we have taken out every one of the proposals that involved moving spoil by road. I hope that my hon. Friend will feel encouraged by that.

I was asked about the Tourism Act being administered sympathetically in the Dover area. I am meeting Mr. Duncan Bluck, the chairman of the English Tourist Board next Tuesday, and I shall have in mind the points that have been raised.

Mr. Peter Rees

I am grateful for the comments in my speech that my hon. Friend has taken up. However, I asked about the movement of shale from Kent.

Mr. Mitchell

My right hon. and learned Friend is right. He asked a number of other questions, but the hour is late and some hon. Members are getting restless. No conclusions have yet been reached about shale. We are discussing with the promoters the way in which shale should be moved.

The House was greatly interested in the speech of my hon. Friend the Member for Thanet, South (Mr. Aitken). He referred to many misconceptions, which were illustrated in his article in The Times headed: How the Chunnel will hit our pockets. My hon. Friend quoted with reproval a recent pamphlet alleging the cost to the public purse, which said: To take only one small example, the Department of Transport is to acquire compulsorily land for the 14-mile stretch of the M20 between Maidstone and Ashford not yet built. This it is thought, will cost £60 million. My hon. Friend is under a misapprehension in thinking that £60 million will be spent because of the Channel tunnel. It would have been spent anyway, because by the end of the century double the present number of people will be going through the ports of Kent, and extra roads would have been required anyway. Therefore, my hon. Friend is under a misconception.

My hon. Friend also talked about British Rail's expenditure of £400 million, which he says will come from the Exchequer. It will not. It is all fully commercial, and it is because of that, and because it will make a profit, that British Rail is being given the go ahead.

Mr. Stuart Holland

Is the expenditure of £60 million on Waterloo station to be private or public money?

Mr. Mitchell

I was about to deal with the speech of the hon. Member for Vauxhall (Mr. Holland), if I can make myself heard above the comments of his hon. Friends sitting around him.

My hon. Friend the Member for Thanet, North (Mr. Gale) mystifies me. I listened to his speech with considerable interest. He praises the French for spending money on infrastructure in north-east France, and regards that as right, but he attacks the British Government for proposing to do something similar in Kent. The hour is late, so on the question of safety I shall say only that my hon. Friend need have no concern.

I understand the concerns of the hon. Member for Vauxhall. If he wishes to invite me to come and see the problem on the spot, I shall be happy to accept the invitation.

The hon. Member for Warley, West (Mr. Faulds) put on his great act. He attacked the Government for the lack of jobs, and then proceeded to oppose an infrastructure project that will create jobs.

My hon. Friend the Member for Christchurch (Mr. Adley) called for wider use of British Rail routes round London, and I take on board the points that he raised.

I return to the rhetorical question raised by the right hon. Member for Lewisham, Deptford: is there any need for this project? There is a need, not just for the jobs that will be created now, but because of the much better position in which it will put British exporters in the future. Not only will our business community and travellers be able to move more safely, but our goods will be able to get into the export markets of Europe more cheaply, more competitively and more quickly than they have been able to do so far.

Future generations will not only look back on tonight as a historic occasion, but will ask themselves why the hell we did not do it before.

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 146, Noes 317.

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Adams, Allen (Paisley N) George, Bruce
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John
Ashley, Rt Hon Jack Godman, Dr Norman
Ashton, Joe Gould, Bryan
Atkinson, N. (Tottenham) Hamilton, James (M'well N)
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Hamilton, W. W. (Fife Central)
Barnett, Guy Hancock, Michael
Barron, Kevin Harman, Ms Harriet
Beckett, Mrs Margaret Harrison, Rt Hon Walter
Bell, Stuart Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy
Benn, Rt Hon Tony Healey, Rt Hon Denis
Bennett, A. (Dent'n & Red'sh) Heffer, Eric S.
Bermingham, Gerald Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth)
Bidwell, Sydney Holland, Stuart (Vauxhall)
Blair, Anthony Hughes, Dr Mark (Durham)
Boyes, Roland Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)
Brown, Ron (E'burgh, Leith) Hughes, Roy (Newport East)
Buchan, Norman Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)
Caborn, Richard Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald
Callaghan, Jim (Heyw'd & M) Kilroy-Silk, Robert
Campbell-Savours, Dale Leadbitter, Ted
Canavan, Dennis Lewis, Terence (Worsley)
Clarke, Thomas Litherland, Robert
Clay, Robert Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)
Clelland, David Gordon Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Clwyd, Mrs Ann McDonald, Dr Oonagh
Cohen, Harry McKelvey, William
Conlan, Bernard MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor
Cook, Frank (Stockton North) McNamara, Kevin
Cook, Robin F. (Livingston) McTaggart, Robert
Corbett, Robin McWilliam, John
Corbyn, Jeremy Madden, Max
Cox, Thomas (Tooting) Marek, Dr John
Craigen, J. M. Martin, Michael
Crowther, Stan Maxton, John
Cunningham, Dr John Maynard, Miss Joan
Dalyell, Tam Meacher, Michael
Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (L'lli) Michie, William
Davies, Ronald (Caerphilly) Mikardo, Ian
Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'l) Millan, Rt Hon Bruce
Deakins, Eric Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Dewar, Donald Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)
Dixon, Donald Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Dobson, Frank Nellist, David
Dormand, Jack Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Douglas, Dick O'Brien, William
Dubs, Alfred Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs G. Park, George
Eastham, Ken Patchett, Terry
Evans, John (St. Helens N) Pendry, Tom
Fatchett, Derek Pike, Peter
Faulds, Andrew Randall, Stuart
Field, Frank (Birkenhead) Raynsford, Nick
Fields, T. (L'pool Broad Gn) Redmond, Martin
Fisher, Mark Richardson, Ms Jo
Flannery, Martin Roberts, Allan (Bootle)
Foot, Rt Hon Michael Roberts, Ernest (Hackney N)
Forrester, John Robinson, G. (Coventry NW)
Foster, Derek Rogers, Allan
Foulkes, George Rooker, J. W.
Fraser, J. (Norwood) Ross, Ernest (Dundee W)
Rowlands, Ted Thomas, Dr R. (Carmarthen)
Ryman, John Thompson, J. (Wansbeck)
Sedgemore, Brian Tinn, James
Shore, Rt Hon Peter Torney, Tom
Short, Ms Clare (Ladywood) Warden, Gareth (Gower)
Silkin, Rt Hon J. Weetch, Ken
Skinner, Dennis Welsh, Michael
Smith, C.(Isl'ton S & F'bury) Williams, Rt Hon A.
Snape, Peter Winnick, David
Soley, Clive Young, David (Bolton SE)
Spearing, Nigel
Stott, Roger Tellers for the Ayes:
Strang, Gavin Mr. Frank Haynes and
Straw, Jack Mr. Allen McKay.
Adley, Robert Coombs, Simon
Alexander, Richard Cope, John
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Cranborne, Viscount
Alton, David Critchley, Julian
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Crouch, David
Amess, David Currie, Mrs Edwina
Ancram, Michael Dickens, Geoffrey
Arnold, Tom Dorrell, Stephen
Ashby, David Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J.
Ashdown, Paddy du Cann, Rt Hon Sir Edward
Aspinwall, Jack Dunn, Robert
Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. Durant, Tony
Atkins, Robert (South Ribble) Edwards, Rt Hon N. (P'broke)
Atkinson, David (B'm'th E) Eggar, Tim
Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Vall'y) Evennett, David
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) Eyre, Sir Reginald
Banks, Robert (Harrogate) Fallon, Michael
Batiste, Spencer Favell, Anthony
Bellingham, Henry Fenner, Mrs Peggy
Bendall, Vivian Fletcher, Alexander
Benyon, William Fookes, Miss Janet
Best, Keith Forman, Nigel
Biffen, Rt Hon John Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Biggs-Davison, Sir John Forth, Eric
Blackburn, John Fowler, Rt Hon Norman
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter Fox, Marcus
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Franks, Cecil
Bottomley, Peter Fraser, Peter (Angus East)
Bottomley, Mrs Virginia Freeman, Roger
Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n) Freud, Clement
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Galley, Roy
Boyson, Dr Rhodes Gardner, Sir Edward (Fylde)
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Garel-Jones, Tristan
Bright, Graham Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian
Brinton, Tim Glyn, Dr Alan
Brittan, Rt Hon Leon Goodhart, Sir Philip
Brooke, Hon Peter Gow, Ian
Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thpes) Grant, Sir Anthony
Browne, John Greenway, Harry
Bruinvels, Peter Gregory, Conal
Bryan, Sir Paul Griffiths, Peter (Portsm'th N)
Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A. Grist, Ian
Budgen, Nick Ground, Patrick
Bulmer, Esmond Grylls, Michael
Burt, Alistair Gummer, Rt Hon John S
Butcher, John Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom)
Butler, Rt Hon Sir Adam Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Butterfill, John Hanley, Jeremy
Carlisle, John (Luton N) Hannam, John
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Hargreaves, Kenneth
Carlisle, Rt Hon M. (W'ton S) Harris, David
Cartwright, John Haselhurst Alan
Cash, William Hawkins, C. (High Peak)
Channon, Rt Hon Paul Hawksley, Warren
Chapman, Sydney Hayes, J.
Chope, Christopher Hayhoe, Rt Hon Barney
Churchill, W. S. Hayward, Robert
Clark, Hon A. (Plym'th S'n) Heath, Rt Hon Edward
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Heathcoat-Amory, David
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) Henderson, Barry
Clegg, Sir Walter Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael
Cockeram, Eric Hickmet, Richard
Colvin, Michael Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L.
Conway, Derek Hind, Kenneth
Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) Nelson, Anthony
Holt, Richard Newton, Tony
Hordern, Sir Peter Nicholls, Patrick
Howard, Michael Norris, Steven
Howarth, Gerald (Cannock) Onslow, Cranley
Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Oppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs S.
Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N) Osborn, Sir John
Hubbard-Miles, Peter Page, Richard (Herts SW)
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Patten, Christopher (Bath)
Hunt, David (Wirral W) Patten, J. (Oxf W & Abgdn)
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Pattie, Geoffrey
Hunter, Andrew Pawsey, James
Hurd, Rt Hon Douglas Percival, Rt Hon Sir Ian
Irving, Charles Pollock, Alexander
Jackson, Robert Portillo, Michael
Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick Powell, William (Corby)
Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey Powley, John
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) Prentice, Rt Hon Reg
Jones, Robert (Herts W) Price, Sir David
Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Prior, Rt Hon James
Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Proctor, K. Harvey
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine Pym, Rt Hon Francis
Kennedy, Charles Raison, Rt Hon Timothy
Kershaw, Sir Anthony Rathbone, Tim
Key, Robert Renton, Tim
King, Roger (B'ham N'field) Rhodes James, Robert
King, Rt Hon Tom Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Knight, Greg (Derby N) Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas
Knowles, Michael Ridsdale, Sir Julian
Knox, David Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm
Lamont, Norman Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)
Lang, Ian Robinson, Mark (N'port W)
Latham, Michael Roe, Mrs Marion
Lawler, Geoffrey Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Lawrence, Ivan Rossi, Sir Hugh
Lawson, Rt Hon Nigel Rowe, Andrew
Lee, John (Pendle) Rumbold, Mrs Angela
Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) Ryder, Richard
Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark Sackville, Hon Thomas
Lester, Jim Sainsbury, Hon Timothy
Lewis, Sir Kenneth (Stamf'd) St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon N.
Lilley, Peter Sayeed, Jonathan
Lloyd, Ian (Havant) Scott, Nicholas
Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Lord, Michael Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')
Luce, Rt Hon Richard Shelton, William (Streatharn)
Lyell, Nicholas Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
McCrindle, Robert Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge)
McCurley, Mrs Anna Shersby, Michael
Macfarlane, Neil Sims, Roger
MacGregor, Rt Hon John Skeet, Sir Trevor
MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire) Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
McLoughlin, Patrick Soames, Hon Nicholas
McNair-Wilson, M. (N'bury) Speed, Keith
McNair-Wilson, P. (New F'st) Speller, Tony
McQuarrie, Albert Spencer, Derek
Madel, David Spicer, Jim (Dorset W)
Major, John Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Malins, Humfrey Squire, Robin
Malone, Gerald Stanbrook, Ivor
Maples, John Stanley, Rt Hon John
Marlow, Antony Steel, Rt Hon David
Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Steen, Anthony
Mates, Michael Stern, Michael
Maude, Hon Francis Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton)
Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood)
Mayhew, Sir Patrick Stewart, Ian (Hertf'dshire N)
Mellor, David Sumberg, David
Merchant, Piers Taylor, John (Solihull)
Meyer, Sir Anthony Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman
Miller, Hal (B'grove) Temple-Morris, Peter
Mills, lain (Meriden) Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs M.
Miscampbell, Norman Thomas, Rt Hon Peter
Mitchell, David (Hants NW) Thompson, Donald (Calder V)
Montgomery, Sir Fergus Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N)
Moore, Rt Hon John Thornton, Malcolm
Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes) Thurnham, Peter
Moynihan, Hon C. Townend, John (Bridlington)
Neale, Gerrard Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath)
Needham, Richard Tracey, Richard
Twinn, Dr Ian Wheeler, John
Vaughan, Sir Gerard Whitfield, John
Viggers, Peter Whitney, Raymond
Waddington, David Winterton, Mrs Ann
Wakeham, Rt Hon John Winterton, Nicholas
Walden, George Wolfson, Mark
Walker, Bill (T'side N) Wood, Timothy
Walker, Rt Hon P. (W'cester) Woodcock, Michael
Wall, Sir Patrick Wrigglesworth, Ian
Wallace, James Yeo, Tim
Waller, Gary Young, Sir George (Acton)
Walters, Dennis Younger, Rt Hon George
Wardle, C. (Bexhill)
Warren, Kenneth Tellers for the Noes:
Watson, John Mr. Carol Mather and
Watts, John Mr. Robert Boscawen.
Wells, Bowen (Hertford)

Question accordingly negatived.

Main Question put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 41 (Amendment on Second or Third Reading.)

The House divided:— Ayes 309, Noes 44.

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Adley, Robert Chapman, Sydney
Alexander, Richard Chope, Christopher
Alison, Rt Hon Michael Churchill, W. S.
Alton, David Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford)
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S)
Amess, David Clegg, Sir Walter
Ancram, Michael Cockeram, Eric
Arnold, Tom Colvin, Michael
Ashby, David Conway, Derek
Ashdown, Paddy Coombs, Simon
Aspinwall, Jack Cope, John
Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. Cranborne, Viscount
Atkins, Robert (South Ribble) Crouch, David
Atkinson, David (B'rn'th E) Currie, Mrs Edwina
Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Vall'y) Dickens, Geoffrey
Baker, Nicholas (Dorset N) Dorrell, Stephen
Batiste, Spencer Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J.
Bellingham, Henry du Cann, Rt Hon Sir Edward
Bendall, Vivian Dunn, Robert
Benyon, William Durant, Tony
Best, Keith Edwards, Rt Hon N. (P'broke)
Biffen, Rt Hon John Eggar, Tim
Blackburn, John Evennett, David
Blaker, Rt Hon Sir Peter Eyre, Sir Reginald
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Fallon, Michael
Bottomley, Peter Fenner, Mrs Peggy
Bottomley, Mrs Virginia Fletcher, Alexander
Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n) Fookes, Miss Janet
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Forman, Nigel
Boyson, Dr Rhodes Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Forth, Eric
Bright, Graham Fowler, Rt Hon Norman
Brinton, Tim Fox, Marcus
Brittan, Rt Hon Leon Franks, Cecil
Brooke, Hon Peter Fraser, Peter (Angus East)
Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thpes) Freeman, Roger
Browne, John Freud, Clement
Bruce, Malcolm Galley, Roy
Bruinvels, Peter Gardner, Sir Edward (Fylde)
Bryan, Sir Paul Garel-Jones, Tristan
Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A. Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian
Budgen, Nick Glyn, Dr Alan
Bulmer, Esmond Goodhart, Sir Philip
Burt, Alistair Gow, Ian
Butcher, John Gower, Sir Raymond
Butler, Rt Hon Sir Adam Grant, Sir Anthony
Butterfill, John Greenway, Harry
Campbell-Savours, Dale Gregory, Conal
Carlisle, John (Luton N) Griffiths, Peter (Portsm'th N)
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Grist, Ian
Carlisle, Rt Hon M. (W'ton S) Ground, Patrick
Cartwright, John Grylls, Michael
Cash, William Gummer, Rt Hon John S
Channon, Rt Hon Paul Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom)
Hamilton, Neil (Tatton) Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Hanley, Jeremy Mayhew, Sir Patrick
Hannam, John Mellor, David
Hargreaves, Kenneth Merchant, Piers
Harris, David Meyer, Sir Anthony
Haselhurst, Alan Miller, Hal (B'grove)
Hawkins, C. (High Peak) Mills, lain (Meriden)
Hawksley, Warren Miscampbell, Norman
Hayes, J. Mitchell, David (Hants NW)
Hayhoe, Rt Hon Barney Montgomery, Sir Fergus
Hayward, Robert Moore, Rt Hon John
Heath, Rt Hon Edward Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes)
Heathcoat-Amory, David Moynihan, Hon C.
Henderson, Barry Neale, Gerrard
Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael Nelson, Anthony
Hickmet, Richard Newton, Tony
Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. Nicholls, Patrick
Hind, Kenneth Norris, Steven
Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm) Onslow, Cranley
Holt, Richard Oppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs S.
Hordern, Sir Peter Osborn, Sir John
Howard, Michael Page, Richard (Herts SW)
Howarth, Gerald (Cannock) Patten, Christopher (Bath)
Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N) Patten, J. (Oxf W & Abgdn)
Hubbard-Miles, Peter Pattie, Geoffrey
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) Pawsey, James
Hunt, David (Wirral W) Percival, Rt Hon Sir Ian
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Pollock, Alexander
Hunter, Andrew Portillo, Michael
Irving, Charles Powell, William (Corby)
Jackson, Robert Powley, John
Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick Prentice, Rt Hon Reg
Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey Price, Sir David
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) Proctor, K. Harvey
Jones, Robert (Herts W) Pym, Rt Hon Francis
Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Raison, Rt Hon Timothy
Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Rathbone, Tim
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine Renton, Tim
Kennedy, Charles Rhodes James, Robert
Kershaw, Sir Anthony Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Key, Robert Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas
King, Roger (B'ham N'field) Ridsdale, Sir Julian
Knight, Greg (Derby N) Rifkind, Rt Hon Malcolm
Knowles, Michael Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)
Knox, David Robinson, Mark (N'port W)
Lamont, Norman Roe, Mrs Marion
Lang, Ian Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Latham, Michael Rossi, Sir Hugh
Lawler, Geoffrey Rowe, Andrew
Lawrence, Ivan Rumbold, Mrs Angela
Lawson, Rt Hon Nigel Ryder, Richard
Lee, John (Pendle) Sackville, Hon Thomas
Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) Sainsbury, Hon Timothy
Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon N.
Lester, Jim Sayeed, Jonathan
Lewis, Sir Kenneth (Stamf'd) Scott, Nicholas
Lilley, Peter Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Lloyd, Ian (Havant) Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb')
Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) Shelton, William (Streatham)
Lord, Michael Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Luce, Rt Hon Richard Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge)
Lyell, Nicholas Shersby, Michael
McCrindle, Robert Sims, Roger
McCurley, Mrs Anna Skeet, Sir Trevor
Macfarlane, Neil Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
MacGregor, Rt Hon John Soames, Hon Nicholas
MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire) Speed, Keith
McLoughlin, Patrick Speller, Tony
McNair-Wilson, M. (N'bury) Spencer, Derek
McNair-Wilson, P. (New F'st) Spicer, Jim (Dorset W)
McQuarrie, Albert Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Madel, David Squire, Robin
Major, John Stanbrook, Ivor
Malins, Humfrey Stanley, Rt Hon John
Malone, Gerald Steel, Rt Hon David
Maples, John Steen, Anthony
Marlow, Antony Stern, Michael
Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton)
Mates, Michael Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood)
Maude, Hon Francis Stewart, Ian (Hertf'dshire N)
Sumberg, David Walters, Dennis
Taylor, John (Solihull) Wardle, C. (Bexhill)
Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman Warren, Kenneth
Temple-Morris, Peter Watson, John
Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs M. Watts, John
Thomas, Rt Hon Peter Wells, Bowen (Hertford)
Thompson, Donald (Calder V) Wheeler, John
Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N) Whitfield, John
Thornton, Malcolm Whitney, Raymond
Thurnham, Peter Winterton, Mrs Ann
Townend, John (Bridlington) Winterton, Nicholas
Townsend, Cyril D. (B'heath) Wolfson, Mark
Tracey, Richard Wood, Timothy
Twinn, Dr Ian Woodcock, Michael
Vaughan, Sir Gerard Wrigglesworth, Ian
Viggers, Peter Yeo, Tim
Waddington, David Young, Sir George (Acton)
Wakeham, Rt Hon John Younger, Rt Hon George
Walden, George
Walker, Bill (T'side N) Tellers for the Ayes:
Wall, Sir Patrick Mr. Carol Mather and
Wallace, James Mr. Robert Boscawen.
Waller, Gary
Aitken, Jonathan Clelland, David Gordon
Atkinson, N. (Tottenham) Cohen, Harry
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Corbyn, Jeremy
Beckett, Mrs Margaret Cormack, Patrick
Benn, Rt Hon Tony Cox, Thomas (Tooting)
Bermingham, Gerald Craigen, J. M.
Bidwell, Sydney Crowther, Stan
Canavan, Dennis Deakins, Eric
Clay, Robert Douglas, Dick
Eastham, Ken Nellist, David
Farr, Sir John Pike, Peter
Faulds, Andrew Rees, Rt Hon Peter (Dover)
Field, Frank (Birkenhead) Roberts, Allan (Bootle)
Foot, Rt Hon Michael Sedgemore, Brian
Godman, Dr Norman Silkin, Rt Hon J.
Hancock, Michael Skinner, Dennis
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Spearing, Nigel
Lewis, Terence (Worsley) Strang, Gavin
Lloyd, Tony (Stretford) Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
McNamara, Kevin Young, David (Bolton SE)
Madden, Max
Maynard, Miss Joan Tellers for the Noes:
Mikardo, Ian Mr. Roger Gale and
Millan, Rt Hon Bruce Mr. Roger Moate.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Bill read a Second time.

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