HC Deb 29 October 1985 vol 84 cc944-8

. — (1) Any local authority, or any two or more local authorities acting jointly, may establish a travel concession scheme for the provision of travel concessions on journeys on public passenger transport services—

  1. (a) between places in the principal area covered by the scheme;
  2. (b) between such places and places outside but in the vicinity of that area; or
  3. (c) between places outside but in the vicinity of that area; by operators of such services participating in the scheme.
(2) For the purposes of this section, the principal area covered by a scheme under this section is—
  1. (a) the area of the local authority concerned or. where two or more such authorities are concerned, the area comprising the areas of both or all those authorities; or
  2. (b) if an area comprised within the area which would be the principal area under paragraph (a) above is specified in the scheme as being the principal area to which the scheme applies, the area so specified.
(4) Any travel concession scheme established under this section shall define—
  1. (a) the travel concessions which are for the time being to be provided by operators participating in the scheme;
  2. (b) the description of persons eligible in accordance with subsection (8) below to receive travel concessions under any such scheme who are for the time being to qualify for travel concessions provided under scheme; and
  3. (c) the dates in any year currently adopted as the dates on which operators may be admitted to participate in the scheme under section (Right of eligible service operators to participate in travel concession schemes) of this Act (referred to below in this section as the standard admission dates);
and may include particulars of any other arrangements for the time being adopted by the authority or authorities concerned in establishing the scheme with respect to the operation, scope and application of the scheme.
(5) Any such scheme may define the standard admission dates by specifying particular dates, or by referring to dates of any specified description or separated by intervals of any specified length; but those dates, however determined, must not be separated by intervals of a length exceeding such period as may be prescribed. (6) Arrangements adopted by the authority or authorities concerned in establishing any such scheme with respect to the operation, scope and application of the scheme (including the matters specifically mentioned in paragraphs (a) to (c) of subsection (4) above) may differ for different descriptions of concessions or services to which the scheme applies. (7) Subject to section 88 of this Act, where an operator participating in any such scheme in respect of any services operated by him provides travel concessions in accordance with the scheme for persons travelling on those services, the authority responsible for administration of the scheme or (as the case may be) the authorities so responsible in such proportions respectively as they may agree among themselves shall reimburse that operator for providing those concessions. (8) The persons eligible to receive travel concessions under any such scheme are—
  1. (a) men over the age of sixty-five years and women over the age of sixty years;
  2. (b) persons whose age does not exceed sixteen years;
  3. (c) persons whose age exceeds sixteen years but does not exceed eighteen years and who are undergoing full-time education;
  4. (d) blind persons, that is to say, persons so blind as to be unable to perform any work for which sight is essential;
  5. (e) persons suffering from any disability or injury which, in the opinion of the authority or any of the authorities responsible for administration of the scheme, seriously impairs their ability to walk; and
  6. (f) such other classes of persons as the Secretary of State may by order specify.")
(9) In this section "local authority"—
  1. (a) means the council of a county or district in England and Wales or a regional or islands council in Scotland; and
  2. (b) includes also, in relation to England and Wales, a metropolitan county passenger transport authority.
(10) Unless the context otherwise requires, references in this section and in the provisions of this Part of this Act relating to schemes under this section to the authority or authorities responsible for administration of a scheme under this section are references—
  1. (a) except in a case to which paragraph (b) below applies, to the authority concerned in establishing the scheme or, where two or more authorities are so concerned, to both or all those authorities acting jointly; or
  2. (b) where the authority or one of the authorities concerned in establishing the scheme are a Passenger Transport Authority for a passenger transport area in England and Wales,
to the Passenger Transport Executive for that Authority's area or (as the case may require) to that Executive and the other authority or authorities so concerned acting jointly.
(11) Where a Passenger Transport Authority have established a scheme under this section, whether alone or jointly with any other authority or authorities, they shall notify the Passenger Transport Executive for their area of any proposal to vary the scheme, giving particulars of the proposed variation.")

Read a Second time.

Amendment (a) proposed to Lords amendment No. 223, in line 39, leave out paragraphs (a) to (f) and insert—

  1. (a) any persons in receipt of any form of pension or who are over the age of sixty in the case of women and sixty-five in the case of men.
  2. (b) all persons under the age of eighteen who are not in full time work.
  3. (c) any persons who in the opinion of the authority suffer from any disability which in the opinion of the authority makes that person unable to rely on private forms of transport.
  4. (d) any other persons whose receipt of travel concessions, would in the opinion of the authority, improve the efficiency of the public transport service provided.'. —[Mr. Craigen.]

Question put, That amendment (a) to the Lords amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 177, Noes 228.

Division No. 307] [9.45 pm
Abse, Leo Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife)
Adams, Allen (Paisley N) Hancock, Mr. Michael
Alton, David Hardy, Peter
Anderson, Donald Harman, Ms Harriet
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Harrison, Rt Hon Walter
Ashley, Rt Hon Jack Hart, Rt Hon Dame Judith
Ashton, Joe Healey, Rt Hon Denis
Atkinson, N. (Tottenham) Heffer, Eric S.
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Holland, Stuart (Vauxhall)
Banks, Tony (Newham NW) Home Robertson, John
Barron, Kevin Howells, Geraint
Beckett, Mrs Margaret Hughes, Dr. Mark (Durham)
Beith, A. J. Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)
Bell, Stuart Hughes, Roy (Newport East)
Benn, Tony Hughes, Sean (Knowsley S)
Bermingham, Gerald Hughes, Simon (Southwark)
Bidwell, Sydney Janner, Hon Greville
Bray, Dr Jeremy John, Brynmor
Brown, Gordon (D'f'mline E) Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald
Brown, N. (N'c'tle-u-Tyne E) Kennedy, Charles
Brown, Ron (E'burgh, Leith) Kirkwood, Archy
Bruce, Malcolm Lambie, David
Buchan, Norman Lamond, James
Callaghan, Jim (Heyw'd & M) Leadbitter, Ted
Campbell, Ian Leighton, Ronald
Campbell-Savours, Dale Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)
Canavan, Dennis Lewis, Terence (Worsley)
Carter-Jones, Lewis Litherland, Robert
Clark, Dr David (S Shields) Livsey, Richard
Clarke, Thomas Lloyd, Tony (Stretford)
Clay, Robert Lofthouse, Geoffrey
Cocks, Rt Hon M. (Bristol S.) Loyden, Edward
Cohen, Harry McCartney, Hugh
Coleman, Donald McDonald, Dr Oonagh
Cook, Frank (Stockton North) McKay, Allen (Penistone)
Cook, Robin F. (Livingston) McKelvey, William
Corbett, Robin MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor
Corbyn, Jeremy McNamara, Kevin
Craigen, J. M. McTaggart, Robert
Cunliffe, Lawrence McWilliam, John
Cunningham, Dr John Madden, Max
Dalyell, Tam Marek, Dr John
Davies, Ronald (Caerphilly) Marshall, David (Shettleston)
Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'l) Martin, Michael
Deakins, Eric Mason, Rt Hon Roy
Dewar, Donald Maxton, John
Dixon, Donald Maynard, Miss Joan
Dobson, Frank Meacher, Michael
Dormand, Jack Michie, William
Douglas, Dick Mikardo, Ian
Dubs, Alfred Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride)
Dunwoody, Hon Mrs G. Mitchell, Austin (G't Grimsby)
Eadie, Alex Morris, Rt Hon A. (W'shawe)
Eastham, Ken Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Ellis, Raymond Nellist, David
Evans, John (St. Helens N) Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon
Ewing, Harry O'Brien, William
Fatchett, Derek O'Neill, Martin
Faulds, Andrew Park, George
Field, Frank (Birkenhead) Patchett, Terry
Fields, T. (L'pool Broad Gn) Pavitt, Laurie
Fisher, Mark Pendry, Tom
Forrester, John Penhaligon, David
Foster, Derek Pike, Peter
Foulkes, George Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Fraser, J. (Norwood) Radice, Giles
Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Randall, Stuart
George, Bruce Redmond, M.
Godman, Dr Norman Rees, Rt Hon M. (Leeds S)
Golding, John Richardson, Ms Jo
Gourlay, Harry Robertson, George
Hamilton, James (M'well N) Robinson, G. (Coventry NW)
Rogers, Allan Thorne, Stan (Preston)
Rooker, J. W. Tinn, James
Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) Torney, Tom
Rowlands, Ted Wardell, Gareth (Gower)
Sedgemore, Brian Weetch, Ken
Sheerman, Barry Welsh, Michael
Sheldon, Rt Hon R. White, James
Shore, Rt Hon Peter Wigley, Dafydd
Short, Ms Clare (Ladywood) Williams, Rt Hon A.
Silkin, Rt Hon J. Wilson, Gordon
Skinner, Dennis Winnick, David
Snape, Peter Woodall, Alec
Soley, Clive Young, David (Bolton SE)
Stewart, Rt Hon D. (W Isles)
Stott, Roger Tellers for the Ayes
Strang, Gavin Mr. Frank Haynes and
Straw, Jack Mr. Roger Thomas.
Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Aitken, Jonathan Eyre, Sir Reginald
Alexander, Richard Fallon, Michael
Amess, David Fletcher, Alexander
Ancram, Michael Forman, Nigel
Ashby, David Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Aspinwall, Jack Franks, Cecil
Atkins, Robert (South Ribble) Fraser, Peter (Angus East)
Atkinson, David (B'm'th E) Galley, Roy
Baker, Rt Hon K. (Mole Vall'y) Gardner, Sir Edward (Fylde)
Baker, Nicholas (N Dorset) Garel-Jones, Tristan
Baldry, Tony Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian
Banks, Robert (Harrogate) Glyn, Dr Alan
Batiste, Spencer Gower, Sir Raymond
Beaumont-Dark, Anthony Grant, Sir Anthony
Bellingham, Henry Gregory, Conal
Benyon, William Griffiths, Sir Eldon
Biffen, Rt Hon John Grist, Ian
Biggs-Davison, Sir John Ground, Patrick
Blackburn, John Grylls, Michael
Body, Richard Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Boscawen, Hon Robert Hampson, Dr Keith
Bottomley, Peter Harris, David
Bottomley, Mrs Virginia Hawkins, Sir Paul (SW N'folk)
Bowden, A. (Brighton K'to'n) Hayward, Robert
Bowden, Gerald (Dulwich) Heathcoat-Amory, David
Boyson, Dr Rhodes Heddle, John
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L.
Bright, Graham Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Brinton, Tim Holland, Sir Philip (Gedling)
Brown, M. (Brigg & Cl'thpes) Howarth, Gerald (Cannock)
Browne, John Howell, Rt Hon D. (G'ldford)
Bruinvels, Peter Jessel, Toby
Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A. Johnson Smith, Sir Geoffrey
Buck, Sir Antony Kershaw, Sir Anthony
Bulmer, Esmond Lamont, Norman
Burt, Alistair Lang, Ian
Butler, Hon Adam Lawler, Geoffrey
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Lewis, Sir Kenneth (Stamf'd)
Carttiss, Michael Lightbown, David
Channon, Rt Hon Paul Lilley, Peter
Chapman, Sydney Lloyd, Ian (Havant)
Chope, Christopher Lloyd, Peter, (Fareham)
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Lord, Michael
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) Luce, Richard
Cockeram, Eric Lyell, Nicholas
Colvin, Michael McCurley, Mrs Anna
Conway, Derek MacGregor, Rt Hon John
Cope, John MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire)
Cormack, Patrick MacKay, John (Argyll & Bute)
Corrie, John Maclean, David John
Crouch, David McQuarrie, Albert
Currie, Mrs Edwina Madel, David
Dickens, Geoffrey Major, John
Dorrell, Stephen Malins, Humfrey
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J. Malone, Gerald
Dover, Den Marland, Paul
du Cann, Rt Hon Sir Edward Mates, Michael
Dunn, Robert Mather, Carol
Durant, Tony Maude, Hon Francis
Evennett, David Mawhinney, Dr Brian
Mayhew, Sir Patrick Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Mellor, David Shersby, Michael
Miller, Hal (B'grove) Silvester, Fred
Mills, lain (Meriden) Smith, Tim (Beaconsfield)
Miscampbell, Norman Soames, Hon Nicholas
Mitchell, David (NW Hants) Speed, Keith
Molyneaux, Rt Hon James Speller, Tony
Monro, Sir Hector Spence, John
Montgomery, Sir Fergus Spencer, Derek
Moore, John Spicer, Jim (W Dorset)
Morris, M. (N'hampton, S) Squire, Robin
Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes) Stanbrook, Ivor
Moynihan, Hon C. Stern, Michael
Murphy, Christopher Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton)
Neale, Gerrard Stewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Nelson, Anthony Stewart, Andrew (Sherwood)
Neubert, Michael Stewart, Ian (N Hertf'dshire)
Newton, Tony Stradling Thomas, Sir John
Nicholls, Patrick Sumberg, David
Oppenheim, Phillip Tapsell, Sir Peter
Oppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs S. Taylor, John (Solihull)
Ottaway, Richard Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Page, Sir John (Harrow W) Tebbit, Rt Hon Norman
Page, Richard (Herts SW) Temple-Morris, Peter
Parris, Matthew Terlezki, Stefan
Patten, Christopher (Bath) Thomas, Rt Hon Peter
Patten, J. (Oxf W & Abdgn) Thompson, Donald (Calder V)
Pawsey, James Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N)
Percival, Rt Hon Sir Ian Thurnham, Peter
Pollock, Alexander Townend, John (Bridlington)
Portillo, Michael Tracey, Richard
Powell, Rt Hon J. E. (S Down) Twinn, Dr Ian
Powell, William (Corby) Vaughan, Sir Gerard
Powley, John Viggers, Peter
Prentice, Rt Hon Reg Waddington, David
Price, Sir David Wakeham, Rt Hon John
Proctor, K. Harvey Waldegrave, Hon William
Raffan, Keith Walden, George
Raison, Rt Hon Timothy Walker, Bill (T'side N)
Rhodes James, Robert Waller, Gary
Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Ward, John
Ridley, Rt Hon Nicholas Wardle, C. (Bexhill)
Ridsdale, Sir Julian Watson, John
Roberts, Wyn (Conwy) Watts, John
Robinson, Mark (N'port W) Wheeler, John
Roe, Mrs Marion Whitfield, John
Rossi, Sir Hugh Whitney, Raymond
Rost, Peter Winterton, Mrs Ann
Rowe, Andrew Wolfson, Mark
Rumbold, Mrs Angela Wood, Timothy
Ryder, Richard Yeo, Tim
Sackville, Hon Thomas Young, Sir George (Acton)
Sainsbury, Hon Timothy
Sayeed, Jonathan Tellers for the Noes:
Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) Mr. Archie Hamilton and
Shaw, Sir Michael (Scarb') Mr. Mark Lennox-Boyd.

Question accordingly negatived.

Lords amendments Nos. 223 to 241 agreed to.

Lords amendment: No. 242, after clause 95, insert the following new clause—