HC Deb 18 January 1984 vol 52 cc407-10
Chapter Short title Extent of repeal
1980 c. 52. Tenants' Rights, Etc. (Scotland) Act 1980. In section 1(12), in paragraph (iii) of the definition

of "occupation", the words "in the discretion of the landlord,".

Section 2(10)

1981 c. 23. Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions)

(Scotland) Act 1981.

In Schedule 3, paragraph 40(c).
1981 c. 59. Matrimonial Homes (Family Protection) (Scotland)

Act 1981.

Section 13(12)(b).'

[Mr. Ancram]

Brought up, read the First and Second time, and added to the Bill.

10 pm

Mr. Ancram

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

Our election manifesto pledged us to extend the right to buy and also to strengthen the tenants' charter to give tenants a right to carry out repairs themselves and be reimbursed. The Bill fulfils those commitments.

May I say to those Opposition Members who are making such a noise that I have sat in this Chamber since 2.30, and until about half an hour ago I had not noticed that the requirement of haste had been met in any of the speeches that came from those Benches.

Under the Bill's provisions we have increased the maximum discount which long-term tenants may receive under the right to buy, from 50 per cent. to a new level of 60 per cent. after 30 years. We have acted to replace the landlord's discretion to count time spent as the child of a tenant—a discretion which a number of landlords had not operated fairly—with an obligation to count such time.

Throughout the Bill the hon. Member for Glasgow, Maryhill (Mr. Craigen) and his colleagues have made clear their opposition to these changes. I wanted to say a few words because, since Second Reading, I have been asking the official Opposition to tell us their position on the sale of council houses. I am now told by the hon. Gentleman who is the shadow Secretary of State for Scotland that I am not likely to get that information tonight. Having gone through a Bill of this nature, which is of such importance to council tenants, it is quite amazing that the official Opposition are not yet in a position to tell us their policy on the matter. This dithering and havering by them gives a greater justification to legislation of this kind than I should have thought possible. It is for that reason that I believe that the Bill is a major contribution to our objective of enlarging choice in home ownership and extending the rights of tenants. I commend the Bill to the House.

Mr. Craigen

If this little Bill is the fulfilment of the Tory manifesto, all I can say is that it is a hoodwinkers' charter. The majority of tenants that we represent are more concerned about higher rents and rent premiums than they are about the proposed increases in the discounts for sales.

The main concern during the course of the Bill was about section 17A and the enabling legislation. If the Government were as concerned about an alternative mechanism for the right to repair, I suggest that they ought to be introducing a scheme whereby those tenants who want to carry out their own repairs are then enabled to send the bill straight to the Scottish Office for 100 per cent. reimbursement.

The consultation paper on which the enabling legislation is to be based is the big lie in Scottish housing. The scheme will continue the housing crisis and the lack of confidence in housing circles and will do very little for Scottish tenants.

Question put, That the Bill be now read the Third time:—

The House divided: Ayes 181, Noes 106.

[Division No. 129] [10.04 pm
AYES
Alexander, Richard Dover, Denshore
Amess, David Dunn, Robert
Ancram, Michael Durant, Tony
Ashby, David Dykes, Hugh
Aspinwall, Jack Evennett, David
Atkins, Rt Hon Sir H. Eyre, Reginald
Baker, Nicholas (N Dorset) Fallon, Michael
Baldry, Anthony Favell, Anthony
Batiste, Spencer Fenner, Mrs Peggy
Bellingham, Henry Finsberg, Sir Geoffrey
Benyon, William Fookes, Miss Janet
Berry, Sir Anthony Forsyth, Michael (Stirling)
Bevan, David Gilroy Fraser, Peter (Angus East)
Biggs-Davison, Sir John Freeman, Roger
Body, Richard Gale, Roger
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Galley, Roy
Boscawen, Hon Robert Garel-Jones, Tristan
Bottomley, Peter Goodhart, Sir Philip
Braine, Sir Bernard Goodlad, Alastair
Brandon-Bravo, Martin Gow, Ian
Bright, Graham Greenway, Harry
Brinton, Tim Gregory, Conal
Brooke, Hon Peter Griffiths, Peter (Portsm'th N)
Bruinvels, Peter Grist, Ian
Buchanan-Smith, Rt Hon A. Ground, Patrick
Bulmer, Esmond Gummer, John Selwyn
Burt, Alistair Hamilton, Hon A. (Epsom)
Carlisle, John (N Luton) Hamilton, Neil (Tatton)
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Hanley, Jeremy
Carttiss, Michael Hannam, John
Chapman, Sydney Hargreaves, Kenneth
Churchill, W. S. Harvey, Robert
Clark, Dr Michael (Rochford) Hawkins, C. (High Peak)
Clarke Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Hawkins, Sir Paul (SW N'folk)
Cockeram, Eric Hawksley, Warren
Colvin, Michael Hayes, J.
Conway, Derek Hayward, Robert
Coombs, Simon Henderson, Barry
Cope, John Hickmet, Richard
Couchman, James Hind, Kenneth
Cranborne, Viscount Hirst, Michael
Crouch, David Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Currie, Mrs Edwina Holland, Sir Philip (Gedling)
Dicks, T. Holt, Richard
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J. Hooson, Tom
Howarth, Gerald (Cannock) Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes)
Howell, Ralph (N Norfolk) Murphy, Christopher
Hubbard-Miles, Peter Neale, Gerrard
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Nelson, Anthony
Hunter, Andrew Neubert, Michael
Jessel, Toby Newton, Tony
Johnson-Smith, Sir Geoffrey Nicholls, Patrick
Jones, Gwilym (Cardiff N) Onslow, Cranley
Jones, Robert (W Herts) Osborn, Sir John
Key, Robert Ottaway, Richard
King, Roger (B'ham N'field) Page, Richard (Herts SW)
Knowles, Michael Percival, Rt Hon Sir Ian
Knox, David Pollock, Alexander
Latham, Michael Powell, William (Corby)
Lawler, Geoffrey Powley, John
Lee, John (Pendle) Prentice, Rt Hon Reg
Leigh, Edward (Gainsbor'gh) Proctor, K. Harvey
Lewis, Sir Kenneth (Stamf'd) Raffan, Keith
Lightbown, David Rathbone, Tim
Lord, Michael Rhodes James, Robert
Luce, Richard Rifkind, Malcolm
Lyell, Nicholas Roberts, Wyn (Conwy)
McCurley, Mrs Anna Rost, Peter
Macfarlane, Neil Sainsbury, Hon Timothy
MacGregor, John Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
MacKay, Andrew (Berkshire) Sims, Roger
MacKay, John (Argyll & Bute) Skeet, T. H. H.
Maclean, David John. Spence, John
McQuarrie, Albert Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Malins, Humfrey Stevens, Lewis (Nuneaton)
Malone, Gerald Stewart, Allan (Eastwood)
Marland, Paul Temple-Morris, Peter
Marlow, Antony Thompson, Donald (Calder V)
Mates, Michael Thompson, Patrick (N'ich N)
Mather, Carol Trippier, David
Maude, Francis Walden, George
Mawhinney, Dr Brian Walker, Bill (T'side N)
Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Warren, Kenneth
Mayhew, Sir Patrick Watson, John
Mellor, David Winterton, Mrs Ann
Merchant, Piers Winterton, Nicholas
Meyer, Sir Anthony Wood, Timothy
Miller, Hal (B'grove) Younger, Rt Hon George
Mills, Iain (Meriden)
Mills, Sir Peter (West Devon) Tellers for the Ayes:
Moate, Roger Mr. John Major and
Monro, Sir Hector Mr. Ian Lang.
NOES
Alton, David Bennett, A. (Dent'n & Red'sh)
Ashton, Joe Bermingham, Gerald
Barron, Kevin Blair, Anthony
Beckett, Mrs Margaret Brown, Gordon (D'f'mline E)
Beith, A. J. Brown, Hugh D. (Provan)
Brown, Ron (E'burgh, Leith) Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)
Bruce, Malcolm Lewis, Terence (Worsley)
Buchan, Norman Litherland, Robert
Callaghan, Jim (Heyw'd & M) Loyden, Edward
Campbell-Savours, Dale McCartney, Hugh
Carlile, Alexander (Montg'y) McDonald, Dr Oonagh
Clark, Dr David (S Shields) McGuire, Michael
Clay, Robert McKay, Allen (Penistone)
Cocks, Rt Hon M. (Bristol S.) McKelvey, William
Cohen, Harry Mackenzie, Rt Hon Gregor
Cook, Robin F. (Livingston) McTaggart, Robert
Corbett, Robin McWilliam, John
Cowans, Harry Madden, Max
Craigen, J. M. Marek, Dr John
Cunliffe, Lawrence Marshall, David (Shettleston)
Dalyell, Tam Martin, Michael
Davis, Terry (B'ham, H'ge H'I) Mason, Rt Hon Roy
Deakins, Eric Maxton, John
Dewar, Donald Meadowcroft, Michael
Dixon, Donald Michie, William
Dormand, Jack Mikardo, Ian
Douglas, Dick Milian, Rt Hon Bruce
Eadie, Alex Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride)
Eastham, Ken O'Brien, William
Ellis, Raymond O'Neill, Martin
Evans, John (St. Helens N) Parry, Robert
Ewing, Harry Patchett, Terry
Fields, T. (L'pool Broad Gn) Pavitt, Laurie
Fisher, Mark Penhaligon, David
Flannery, Martin Pike, Peter
Forrester, John Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Foster, Derek Prescott, John
Foulkes, George Randall, Stuart
Freud, Clement Richardson, Ms Jo
Gourlay, Harry Ross, Ernest (Dundee W)
Hamilton, James (M'well N) Sheerman, Barry
Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) Sheldon, Rt Hon R.
Harman, Ms Harriet Skinner, Dennis
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Smith, Rt Hon J. (M'kl'ds E)
Hogg, N. (C'nauld & Kilsyth) Steel, Rt Hon David
Holland, Stuart (Vauxhall) Strang, Gavin
Howells, Geraint Tinn, James
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Wareing, Robert
Hughes, Simon (Southwark) White, James
Johnston, Russell Wigley, Dafydd
Jones, Barry (Alyn & Deeside) Wilson, Gordon
Kirkwood, Archibald
Lambie, David Tellers for the Noes:
Lamond, James Mr. Frank Haynes and
Leighton, Ronald Mr. John Home Robertson.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Bill read the Third time and passed.