Lords amendment: No. 12, in page 7, line 27, after "made" insert
(subject to subsections (5A) and (5B))".
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§ Mr. Deputy Speaker
With this we may discuss the following: Lords amendment No. 18.
The amendment to Lords amendment No. 18 standing in the name of the right hon. Member for Birmingham, Sparkbrook (Mr. Hattersley).
The four Government amendments to Lords amendment No. 18.
Lords amendment No. 19.
The Government amendment to Lords amendment No. 19.
The Government consequential amendment to the Bill.
Lords amendment No. 43.
The amendment to Lords amendment No. 43 standing in the name of the right hon. Member for Sparkbrook.
The two Government amendments to Lords amendment No. 43.
§ Mr. Raison
We now come to a debate of some complexity which I for one have never experienced before. I hope that other hon. Members know exactly how to handle this mixture of consequential amendments which agree, disagree and so on. It is remarkably complicated, but I shall do my best to keep on the right track.
The main concern of these amendments is with the provisions of clause 6(1)(a). The clause, as it left the House, conferred an entitlement to British citizenship for five years after commencement on citizens of independent Commonwealth countries or citizens of the Republic of Ireland settled in this country since before 1 January 1973.
The entitlement arose out of provisions in schedule 1 to the Immigration Act 1971, which applied to persons who had the right to register under section 6(1) of the British Nationality Act 1948. Under the Bill, those concerned had to be eligible for the entitlement both at commencement and at the time they applied for it and, therefore, had to be of full age at both those dates. Only those of full age eligible at commencement were able to benefit from the entitlement to citizenship in this provision as it left the House. Minors who were otherwise eligible were unable to benefit, even if they attained their majority during the five-year period for which the entitlement in clause 6(1)(a) is to remain available. Had such minors not been registered as citizens during their minority under the Secretary of State's discretionary powers, they would have had to apply for British citizenship by naturalisation.
We originally took the view that no great hardship would arise if those children were excluded from the entitlement to citizenship in clause 6(1)(a). They did not have an entitlement at commencement, and there seemed to us to be no reason why, if their parents so wished, they could not be registered as minors under the Home Secretary's discretionary powers.
A minor's prospects of acquiring citizenship are, after all, essentially bound up with those of his or her parents. If the parents applied for citizenship, it would be open to them to seek registration of their minor children as citizens. Had the parents not taken such steps, it could be assumed that they had decided that the matter should be left for the child to take further, if he wished, when he grew up.
However, both in another place and elsewhere it was put to us that there might be minors whose parents had not 758 registered them perhaps through ignorance of the need to do so. Thus, through no fault of their own, they would find, when they were of age, that they could acquire British citizenship only by naturalisation. It was suggested to us that this might cause resentment among the young Commonwealth citizens concerned. We considered these arguments and concluded that, in all the circumstances, it would be right to accept amendments which opened the way to British citizenship as an entitlement for this group of minors. That is what these amendments are principally designed to do.
The first is a paving amendment which adds a forward reference to the new provisos to clause 6(1) added by Lords amendments Nos. 18 and 19. I do not think that I need detain the House over that.
The substantive amendments with which we are concerned are Lords amendments Nos. 14 and 19. Lords amendment No. 14 removes from clause 6(1)(a) the requirement that an applicant has to hold the entitlement both at commencement and at the time of application. Under this amendment, he would simply have to show that he was entitled at the time of application. Thus, children who were not qualified for this entitlement at commencement, because they were still minors, would be able to acquire an entitlement after commencement when they had reached their majority.
Lords amendment No. 19 is concerned with ensuring that those minors who acquire an entitlement to citizenship under clause 6(1)(a), when they become of full age after commencement, will have an adequate period of time in which to exercise that entitlement. As hon. Members will be aware, adults who have an entitlement at commencement under this provision are to have five years after commencement in which to exercise their entitlement. Lords amendment No. 19 makes similar provision for minors by providing that they shall have five years in which to apply after they attain their majority. We have brought forward a consequential amendment to carry through this arrangement to the scheme for British dependent territories citizenship.
The other main change in another place is contained in Lords amendment No. 18. That confers a discretion on the Secretary of State, in the special circumstances of any particular case, to accept late applications made under clause 6(1) for up to eight years after commencement. This discretionary power extends both to applications made under clause 6(1)(a) and (b). Clause 6(1)(b) confers an entitlement to British citizenship on Commonwealth citizens with the right of abode at commencement. This discretion is intended to meet the particular cases of hardship which might arise where a person was not able—perhaps because of severe illness or some other good reason—to submit an application under either clause 6(1)(a) or (b) within the normal five-year period.
It has been necessary to bring forward amendments to Lords amendment No. 18. The discretion in that provision does not adequately reflect the arrangements now proposed for minors who come of age after commencement. The Secretary of State has power to accept late applications from them only in circumstances which would exclude some of those concerned. It is clearly desirable that those in this group should enjoy the same facilities. Accordingly, we have brought forward amendments that give the Secretary of State discretion to accept late applications from those in this group for up to eight years after they come of age. 759 Lords amendment No. 43 gives the Secretary of State discretion to accept late applications from applicants for British dependent territories citizenship under clause 18. In special circumstances, he will be able to accept applications made up to eight years after commencement. This will be a useful measure to relieve hardship in particular cases.
However, Lords amendment No. 43 does not reflect the changes to clause 6 which were agreed in another place and have been carried through to clause 18. These mean that people otherwise eligible for British dependent territories citizenship under clause 18, but who are minors at commencement, will be eligible to secure citizenship in this way once they are of full age. They will have five years after that time in which to exercise that entitlement. But as it stands Lords amendment No. 43 does not give the Secretary of State discretion to accept late applications, and this is now remedied.
I appreciate that this is an involved matter, but I hope that the House feels that the amendments are fair and just and can be supported.
§ Mr. Tilley
Let me try to explain the procedural position as we see it. The Government amended the Bill in the other place. We tabled amendments to that Government amendment but then discovered that the Government were in this House seeking to amend their own amendment made in another place. Therefore, we are now seeking to amend the Government's amendment to the Government amendment in another place. Having worked all that out, we shall seek to divide the House on the amendment to Lords amendment No. 18 standing in the name of my right hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Sparkbrook (Mr. Hattersley).
The effect of the various amendments already carried in another place is to give the Secretary of State the discretion to extend from five years to eight years the grace period for Commonwealth citizens taking up their right to registration which will otherwise be extinguished by the Bill. It also covers those who are not 18 at the date of commencement but who will become 18 after that date. In enables them to take up their right, as adult Commonwealth citizens, to register as British citizens.
I pay tribute to my noble Friend Lord Pitt, who not only discovered the gap in the Bill—which we did not spot despite our 170 hours of close examination—but persuaded the Government to close it. Now that the problems of minors is settled, our concern is with the adults who came from the West Indies and the Indian subcontinent when they were colonies in response to Britain's labour requirements. They were people in their twenties and thirties who came here in the 1950s and 1960s on a United Kingdom and Colonies passport. They saw that as a British passport, as we all will until the Bill is enacted. They have worked here for half their lives, paid taxes and obeyed the laws. In many cases they had to suffer racial discrimination and disadvantage. They began their lives here and many are still in the worst housing and have the worst jobs in inner city areas such as the part of Lambeth that I represent.
As the Minister pointed out, those people have had the right to register as British citizens for many years. That process is easier, cheaper and quicker than naturalisation. That was part of the special treatment that, until this 760 legislation, was accorded Commonwealth citizens who already had links with this country but wanted to take up full British citizenship.
The man on the Clapham omnibus has already been mentioned. He is likely, depending upon the stop he gets on at, to be a constituent of mine. He may be on his way to the Clapham citizens advice bureau, which has written to me about this problem. The letter says:In Clapham the majority of our West Indian and Asian clients, who have been resident and settled here for some time, would have had an automatic right to British Citizenship. When the Bill becomes law, unless they register within a specific time, they will lose this right. Instead they have to apply for the discretionary naturalisation, and be subject to investigation, with good character and language tests … The Nationality Bill is therefore already causing great anxiety and insecurity amongst our Commonwealth clients, and this can only increase when the Bill is implemented.
That letter was sent to me a few days ago by Mary Benton, the organiser of the Clapham citizens advice bureau. It reflects an anxiety that has been monitored and put forward to right hon. and hon. Members by the citizens advice bureau service nationally and by many other advice agencies to which Commonwealth citizens resident in this country turn for help.
We ask that the grace period be extended even further. The discretion that the Minister would have under the Government's amendment to extend the grace period from five to eight years should be increased infinitely so that it will extend to the lifetimes of the people who now have the right. We do not suggest that any new people should have the right. We suggest that those who have the right to register as British citizens should hold that right for their natural lifetimes and should be able to ask the Minister to exercise his discretion and allow them to take up citizenship within their lifetime.
The question we have to answer is why they have not already taken up their entitlement and/or why we may expect that a significant number will not take it up within the grace period of five years, which has already been extended from the two years that was on the face of the Bill when this House first considered it.
There are several reasons why people have not taken up that entitlement but should be allowed to take it up later. First, many Commonwealth citizens feel resentment when they learn that they are not British citizens, as they thought, and that they have to go through the process of registration. That resentment has to be overcome and it takes time for them to realise their position. Secondly, registration costs £50 and that is a great deal of money for many of those people to find. Therefore, they wait until they can spare £50, which may take a matter of years.
The most important reason—and the one that is the responsibility of this Government and previous Governments—is that many of those people are not aware that they are not British citizens. They lost their United Kingdom and Colonies nationality on the day that the colony from which they came to work in Britain became independent. Jamaica became independent in 1963 and the other West Indian islands became independent on dates ranging from then until about two years ago, when St. Vincent and St. Lucia became independent.
They were not told that they were no longer United Kingdom and Colonies citizens. Because of the life they lead and their disposable income, very few of them travel great distances, so they do not need a passport for a long 761 time. It is only long after they have lost their United Kingdom and Colonies citizenship, because of the independence of their home colony, that they realise that they have to apply for registration. It is reasonable to say that a substantial number of people may wish to exercise their right to register as British citizens after the maximum grace period allowed not only by the Bill after it left this House but also by this amendment.
We are talking about what is likely to happen in the 1990s, because commencement plus eight years takes us to the end of the decade. I should be grateful if the Minister would tell us when commencement will be. It seems hardly likely that it will be 1 January 1982, which was one of the dates first mooted. It will help us on this issue and many others if he can tell us when commencement for the Act will be. We are talking about the 1990s and about a handful of Indian, Bangladeshi and West Indian people who will be old-age pensioners—the first generation of black British pensioners.
If one of them realises that he is not a British citizen and decides that he wants to end his days as a citizen of the country of which he always thought he was a citizen—certainly the country he has always thought of as the mother country—and applies to be registered, he will be turned away unless the amendment is passed. He will be told to apply for naturalisation, which probably by that time will cost much more than the £150 it now costs. He will have to go through a series of tests that will present varying forms of difficulty to him.
The two Houses have gone a long way towards meeting that argument during their consideration of the Bill. I would ask the House to register by vote the need to grant justice to that group of old, black and, in the main, poor people who long ago threw in their lot with Britain.
Mr. J. Enoch Powell
Is the hon. Member satisfied that his purpose is sufficiently achieved if he leaves in the wordsin the special circumstances of any particular case"?I have listened carefully to the instances that the hon. Member appears to have in mind. It is difficult to see how they could be covered by the special circumstances of a particular case. Indeed, the strength of the hon. Gentleman's argument was that this was something that might frequently be expected in the case of that class of persons. Is he satisfied that his amendment, as it leaves those words unaffected, will have the result for which he hopes?
§ Mr. Tilley
The discretion could be exercised in many cases. I was talking in generalities. In about 10 years each individual case will be a special circumstance.
In the meantime, I look forward to two things happening. First, by the 1990s the legislation may have been repealed and replaced by something better. I say that in full so as not to add to the right hon. Gentleman's scepticism of last night. Secondly, we shall have a Labour Home Secretary who will regard the circumstances that I have instanced as special. We shall have to wait and see.
However, it is worth while having an investment for the reasonable treatment of people in the 1990s when the problems would arise.
§ Mr. Dan Jones (Burnley)
The Government are responsible for the ambiguities in my hon. Friend's mind. 762 Could they not set up an agency in the meantime—not at great cost—to deal with the objections mentioned by the right hon. Member for Down, South (Mr. Powell)?
§ Mr. Tilley
I find the question difficult to answer, as the ambiguities are in the Bill and not in my mind.
§ Mr. Edward Lyons (Bradford, West)
Under pressure the Government increased from two to five years the period in which people may apply for registration. They resisted my amendment in Committee proposing eight years. The Bill has come back from the House of Lords with an amendment for at least a discretion within eight years. The Government have lacked charity throughout the passage of the Bill. They have now almost arrived at a position that they fought vigorously against.
I do not know whether the official Opposition amendment has technical defects but I applaud its spirit. The number who will be affected is small. As the Government have moved from two to five and in certain instances eight years, they should complete the job. This is an example of how the Government have got a bad name for their action over the Bill. They have retreated in stages when they should have been generous to begin with.
§ Mr. Raison
The interpretation by the hon. and learned Member for Bradford, West (Mr. Lyons) of our approach to the Bill is in itself uncharitable. On Second Reading, my right hon. Friend and I said that we were prepared to listen to the debate. If a good case was made out for change, we were prepared to make it. The hon. and learned Gentleman may be a little irked that we did not make the change in response to his pleading, but I am afraid that is how life works. Sometimes an argument has to be put two or three times before being accepted. The hon. and learned Gentleman should welcome the fact that we are prepared to move on such issues, whether the change is proposed in Committee or on the Floor in another place.
The amendments that I commend to the House meet the situation. It is not necessary or desirable to allow late applications to be submitted indefinitely, as the official Opposition amendment proposes. Such a provision would be out of line with the approach that we adopt elsewhere in the Bill—for instance in clause 6(6), which gives discretion to allow late applications under clause 6(2) up to eight years after commencement.
The provision would also be out of line with our general approach to entitlement, such as that in clause 6, which arises from previous nationality legislation. We are prepared to preserve these arrangements for a limited period, because we are anxious that the transition to a new scheme of citizenship should be made without dislocation or hardship, but we do not believe that it would be right to extend arrangements relating to these entitlements indefinitely, even on a discretionary basis. After all, one object of the exercise is to clarify—to standardize—to achieve a recognisable law. Constantly to extend the present situation is bound to blur the impact.
I appreciate that dilemma can arise where Commonwealth citizens are reluctant to exercise their entitlements because it would mean losing citizenship of their country of birth; but, frankly, that arises from the nationality laws of the countries concerned. It is not of our making and, anyway, it is not a matter that an indefinite extension of the discretion to accept late applications will do anything to solve. 763 For those reasons I am afraid that I must ask the House to reject the official Opposition amendment.
Question put and agreed to.
Lords Amendment No. 13 agreed to.
Lords amendment: No. 14, in page 7, line 33, leave out "both at commencement and".
§ Mr. Raison
The amendment means that it is no longer necessary for applicants for British citizenship under this provision to show that both at commencement and at the time of the application, they would, but for the Bill, have been entitled to citizenship under paragraphs 2 and 3 of schedule 1 to the Immigration Act 1971. They would simply have to show that at the time of their application they were so entitled. In other words, people who were not qualified for this entitlement at commencement, but become so afterwards, are able to obtain citizenship in this way. That is essentially the subject matter of our previous debate.
Amendment No. 42 is the equivalent for British dependent territories citizenship of the Lords amendment agreed earlier to clause 6. It is one of several amendments designed to amend clause 16 to benefit those citizens of Commonwealth countries and citizens of the Republic of Ireland settled in a dependent territory before 1 January 1973 who, but for their being minors, would at commencement have had an entitlement to citizenship under clause 18.
The amendment means that it is no longer necessary for applicants for British dependent territories citizenship under this provision to show that both at commencement and at the time of application they would, but for the Bill, have been entitled to citizenship under paragraphs 2 to 5 of schedule 1 to the Immigration Act 1971. They would simply have to show that at the time of their application they were so entitled. Thus, children who were not qualified for the entitlement at commencement, because they were still minors, will be able to acquire an entitlement after commencement when they reach their majority.
Essentially those are issues that we have already discussed, and I commend the amendment to the House.
Question put and agreed to.
Lords amendments Nos. 15, 16 and 17 agreed to.
Lords amendment: No. 18, in page 8, line 36, at end insert—(5A) If in the special circumstances of any particular case the Secretary of State thinks fit, he may treat subsection (1) as if the reference to five years after commencement were a reference to eight years after commencement, but shall not do so unless the person to whom the application relates would have been entitled to be registered under that subsection on an application made immediately before the end of the five years after commencement.
Read a Second time.
Amendment proposed to the Lords amendment, in line 3, leave out from 'may' to 'but' in line 5 and insert:disregard the references in subsections (1) and (5B) to five years after commencement and five years after the date on which he attains full age respectively'.—[Mr. Tilley.]
Question put, That the amendment to the Lords amendment be made:—
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|Molyneaux, James||Trippier, David|
|Monro, Sir Hector||van Straubenzee, Sir W.|
|Montgomery, Fergus||Viggers, Peter|
|Moore, John||Waddington, David|
|Morgan, Geraint||Wakeham, John|
|Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes)||Waldegrave, Hon William|
|Morrison, Hon P. (Chester)||Walker, B. (Perth)|
|Mudd, David||Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir D.|
|Murphy, Christopher||Walters, Dennis|
|Myles, David||Warren, Kenneth|
|Needham, Richard||Watson, John|
|Nelson, Anthony||Wells, John (Maidstone)|
|Neubert, Michael||Wheeler, John|
|Newton, Tony||Whitelaw, Rt Hon William|
|Page, John (Harrow, West)||Whitney, Raymond|
|Page, Richard (SW Herts)||Williams, D.(Montgomery)|
|Parkinson, Rt Hon Cecil||Winterton, Nicholas|
|Parris, Matthew||Wolfson, Mark|
|Patten, Christopher (Bath)|
|Patten, John (Oxford)||Tellers for the Noes:|
|Pattie, Geoffrey||Mr. Peter Brooke and|
|Percival, Sir Ian||Mr. Selwyn Gummer.|
|Sheerman, Barry||Wainwright, E.(Dearne V)|
|Sheldon, Rt Hon R.||Wainwright, R.(Colne V)|
|Shore, Rt Hon Peter||Walker, Rt Hon H.(D'caster)|
|Short, Mrs Renée||Watkins, David|
|Silkin, Rt Hon J. (Deptford)||Weetch, Ken|
|Silverman, Julius||Welsh, Michael|
|Skinner, Dennis||White, Frank R.|
|Soley, Clive||White, J. (G'gow Pollok)|
|Spriggs, Leslie||Whitehead, Phillip|
|Steel, Rt Hon David||Whitlock, William|
|Stewart, Rt Hon D. (W lsles)||Wigley, Dafydd|
|Stoddart, David||Willey, Rt Hon Frederick|
|Stott, Roger||Williams, Rt Hon A.(S'sea W)|
|Strang, Gavin||Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E)|
|Straw, Jack||Wilson, William (C'try SE)|
|Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley||Woodall, Alec|
|Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)||Woolmer, Kenneth|
|Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)||Young, David (Bolton E)|
|Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)|
|Thomas, Dr R.(Carmarthen)||Tellers for the Ayes:|
|Thorne, Stan (Preston South)||Mr. James Hamilton and|
|Tilley, John||Mr. Allen McKay.|
|Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.|
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ Government amendments to the Lords amendment agreed to.
§ Lords amendment, as amended, agreed to.
§ Government amendment to Lords amendment No. 19 agreed to.767
§ Lords amendment, as amended, agreed to.
§ Consequential Government amendment agreed to.
§ Lords amendments Nos. 20 to 22 agreed to.