HC Deb 25 November 1981 vol 13 cc871-2
3. Mr. Jessel

asked the Secretary of State for Transport what discussions he has had with the Greater London Council concerning transport within Greater London.

15. Mr. Race

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will seek a meeting with the leader of the Greater London Council to discuss the future of public transport in London.

The Secretary of State for Transport (Mr. David Howell)

The Greater London Council recently asked me for a meeting, which will take place shortly.

Mr. Jessel

I hope that my question will be in order, Mr. Speaker.

When my right hon. Friend meets the Greater London Council will he tell it that, whatever the outcome of the current appeal, it is extremely unfair to those who live in areas served only by British Rail to subsidise the Underground from the rates?

Mr. Speaker

I believe that the hon. Gentleman's hopes are not being fulfilled, because that is the burden of the appeal now being heard, or it is close to it.

Mr. Jessel

I shall clarify my question, Mr. Speaker. I was intending to refer to a geographical rather than an economic basis.

Mr. Speaker

It would be a great help if all that could be done when we know the result of the appeal. There will be plenty of time then.

Mr. Race

Will the Secretary of State make it perfectly clear that, as a matter of Government policy, it is desirable that local authorities, where they have a duty to do so, should subsidise public transport from the rates to provide a decent public service?

Mr. Howell

That has long been recognised by successive Governments, including this one. What is undesirable is chaos, inequity and an unfair balance between the ratepayers and farepayers.

Mr. Booth

Will the Secretary of State consider introducing legislation to make crystal clear the powers that are possessed by local authorities to give revenue support in pursuit of democratically declared and supported fares policies?

Mr. Howell

No, Sir.