HC Deb 30 July 1981 vol 9 cc1304-7

Amendments made: No. 303, in page 103, line 40, leave out 'such other bodies as may be prescribed' and insert— 'every person on whom notice is required to be served in pursuance of sub-paragraph (2A) of this paragraph; and (v) such other persons as may be prescribed in relation to the area in which that land is situated.'.

No. 304, in page 104, line 10, at end insert — '(2A) After that sub-paragraph there shall be inserted the following sub-paragraph— (2A) Any person may, on payment of such reasonable charge as the authority may consider appropriate, require an authority to give him notice of all such orders under section 210 or 214(1)(b) of this Act as are made by the authority during a specified period are of a specified description and relate to land comprised in a specified area; and in this sub-paragraph 'specified' means specified in the requirement."'.

No. 115, in page 104, line 13, at end insert — 'or by the council of a parish or community or the parish meeting of a parish not having a separate parish council'.

No. 305, in page 104, line 20, leave out 'The' and Insert— 'A notice required to be served by sub-paragraph (2)(b)(i), (ii), (iii) or (v) of this paragraph shall be accompanied by a copy of the order. (7) A'.

No. 306, in page 105, line 27, leave out from 'paragraph' to 'shall' in line 29 and insert— 'on—

  1. (a) a person on whom notice was required to be served by paragraph 1(2)(b)(i), (ii) or (iii) of this Schedule;
  2. (b) in the case of an order which has been confirmed with modifications, a person on whom notice was required to be served by paragraph 1(2)(b)(v) of this Schedule,'.

No. 112, in page 105, line 36, at end insert— '3A. After that paragraph there shall be inserted the following paragraph — 7. As soon as may be after an order under section 210 or 214(1)(b) of this Act has come into operation otherwise than

  1. (a) on the date on which it was confirmed by the Secretary of State or confirmed as an unopposed order; or
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  3. (b) at the expiration of a specified period beginning with that date,
the authority by whom the order was made shall give notice of its coming into operation by publication in at least one local newspaper circulating in the area in which the land to which the order relates is situated.".'.—[Mr. Monro.]

Mr. Michael Spicer

I beg to move amendment No. 245, in page 106, line 5, at end insert— '(3) In subsection (6) of that section insert after "any land held with it",—

"(d) the diversion would have on the interests of agriculture.".'.

The amendment is apparently innocent. It will not cost the Government any money and it will not cause great administrative or legislative complications, but farming interests take it seriously and the Spicer committee agreed unanimously that it should be tabled. The committee included a number of diverse elements, and the amendment also has the backing of various eminent members of the Conservative Party.

The Spicer committee proposed a simplification of the grounds on which footpaths could be diverted and the Government accepted most of those proposals. The four grounds on which the committee suggested that footpaths should be diverted took into account the interests of agriculture, the interests of owners or occupiers, the public interest in securing the continuance of a right of way and the effect of the diversion of public enjoyment of the whole path.

The Government accepted three of the conditions but left out the interest of agriculture. My hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State for Wales said in Committee: The third ground was that diversions should have regard to the interests of agriculture. We consider that this is adequately covered in the reference to the interests of the owner, lessee or occupier."—[Official Report, Standing Committee D, 25 June 1981; c. 1193.]

Farming interests are certainly not convinced by that. They feel that there is a wider interest than any that may attach to an individual occupier or farmer and that it should be incorporated in the Bill under the broad term "interests of agriculture". They feel that when making representations on appeal they should be able to use arguments that go wider than the narrow, sectional arguments of an individual owner.

Mr. Monro

My hon. Friend the Member for Worcestershire, South (Mr. Spicer) is the acknowledged expert on footpaths; and this House and another place have benefited enormously from the deliberations and recommendations of his committee.

I noted carefully what my hon. Friend said, particularly about the history of the issue and his recommendation.

I recognise that under the new arrangements authorities may initiate orders themselves on the grounds that the diversion is in the public interest and that such a diversion may affect agricultural land. But in making such an order they must have due regard to the needs of agriculture in accordance with sections 29 and 121(3) of the Highways Act 1980. Landowners will, however, continue to receive personal notification of all orders affecting rights of way on their land, including those which authorities initiate because they believe them to be in the public interest.

If such orders encompass agricultural land and, in the opinion of the landowner, adversely affect the management of his holding, it would be open to him to object to the order on that basis and thus ensure that the agricultural interests are taken into consideration in the decision on the order. In this connection, the confirming authority must be satisfied that the diversion is expedient on the grounds on which the order is made. In relation to opposed orders, we take this obligation to include consideration of the grounds of the objection.

Among the considerations that authorities are required specifically to take into account in confirming orders under the provision of section 119(6) of the Highways Act is the effect that the right of way created by the order would have on the land it crosses. This embraces the effect, if any, of the path on agriculture and safeguards the interests of the farmer or landowner irrespective of whether agriculture is the reason for the order or the basis of the objection.

I accept the weight of my hon. Friend's argument that when authorities are considering these orders they must take agriculture into account, particularly if there is consideration of any adverse effect to the farming interest. I believe that what I have stated, together with the safeguards of the various sections of the Highways Act, shows that agriculture will be taken care of. In guidance given to authorities following the enactment of the legislation, the Government will bring home to the authorities their responsibility to agriculture along with the other three important points made by my hon. Friend I hope, therefore, that my hon. Friend will feel that it is unnecessary to press the matter further.

Mr. Michael Spicer

My hon. Friend has referred to section 119 of the Highways Act. I am advised that the amendment was necessary because the Act did not cover agricultural interests. The section covers public enjoyment which therefore did not require to be incorporated in the Bill now being discussed. The point has been made. I had hoped that my hon. Friend might be able to accept the amendment. I do not, however, wish to press the matter to a vote. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Amendments made: No. 116, in page 106, line 2:5, leave out 'council'.

No. 307, in page 106, line 29, leave out

'such other bodies as may be prescribed'

and insert—

'every person on whom notice is required to be served in pursuance of sub-paragraph (3ZA) or (3ZB) below; and

(iv) such other persons as may be prescribed in relation to the area in which that land is situated.'.

No. 308, in page 106, line 43, at end insert— '(3ZA) Any person may, on payment of such reasonable charge as the authority may consider appropriate, require an authority to give him notice of all such public path creation orders, public path extinguishment orders and public diversion orders as are made by the authority during a specified period, are of a specified description and relate to lard compromised in a specified area; and in this sub-paragraph "specified" means specified in the requirement. (3ZB) Any person may, on payment of such reasonable charge as the Secretary of State may consider appropriate, require the Secretary of State to give him notice of all such draft public path creation orders, draft public path extinguishment orders and draft public path diversion orders as are prepared by the Secretary of State during a specified period, are of a specified description and relate to land comprised in a specified area; and in this sub-paragraph "specified" means specified in the requirement.

No. 309, in page 107, line 1, at beginning insert—'

(4) After sub-paragraph (4) of that paragraph there shall be inserted the following sub-paragraphs—'.

No. 310, in page 107, line 1, leave out 'sub-paragraph (3A)' and insert 'sub-paragraphs (3A) and (4)'.

No. 311, in page 107, line 4, leave out 'The' and insert:

A notice required to be served by sub-paragraphs (3)(b)(i), (ii) or (iv) above shall be accompanied by a copy of the order.

(4C) A'.

No. 312, in page 107, line 7, leave out 'as made'.

No. 313, in page 107, line 9, after 'buildings', insert 'acquired or'.

No. 118, in page 107, line 9, at end insert:

'or by the council of a parish or community or the parish meeting of a parish not having a separate parish council'.

No. 314, in page 108, line 8, leave out from 'above' to end of line 9 and insert: 'on—

  1. (a) a person on whom notice was required to be served by paragraph 1(3)(b)(i) or (ii) above; or
  2. (b) in the case of an order which has been confirmed or made with modifications, a person on whom notice was required to be served by paragraph 1(3)(b)(iv) above,'.

No. 113, in page 108, line 16, at end insert—

'7A. After that paragraph there shall be inserted the following paragraph— "4A. As soon as may be after an order to which this Schedule applies has come into operation otherwise than—
  1. (a) on the date on which it was confirmed or made by the Secretary of State or confirmed as an unopposed order; or
  2. (b) at the expiration of a specified period beginning with that date,
the authority by whom the order was made or, in the case of an order made by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of State shall give notice of its coming into operation by publication in at least one local newspaper circulating in the area in which the land to which the order relates is situated.".'—[Mr. Brooke.]
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