HC Deb 01 April 1981 vol 2 cc571-6

Amendments made:

No. 92, in page 125, line 22, at end insert—

'2 & 3 Eliz. 2 c. iv. The Dover Harbour Consolidation Act 1954. Section 120.'

No. 93, in page 125, line 41, column 3, at end insert—

`Section 17'.

No. 94, in page 126, line 12, column 3, leave out `93(1)(ii) and (viii) and 94' and insert '93(1)(i), (ii) and (viii), 94 and 98'.

No. 95, in page 126, line 15, column 3, after '(3)', insert '(4)'.

No. 96, in page, line 16, column 3, leave out from '32' to `to' in line 17 and insert '36'.

No. 98, in page 127, line 36, column 3, leave out `Schedule 1' and insert 'Schedule 2'.—[Mr. Michael Marshall.]

Mr. Kenneth Baker

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

Everybody in the Chamber will know that this has been a very long sitting—nearly 23 hours. During that time we have had 23 debates and 15 Divisions, and have dealt with 125 amendments.

I thank my right hon. and hon. Friends for their support during those 23 hours. I particularly welcome the presence of my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister, who was voting with us at 6.30 this morning, whereas the Leader of the Opposition has been marked by his absence.

I thank my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State for the help that he has given me. When we were discussing how to approach the handling of Report and Third Reading, we said that when we put our hands to the plough we would go through to the end of the furrow. We have done that. There has been no U-turn.

It is right that I should recognise the services of the "Opposition Chief Whip", the hon. Member for Bethnal Green and Bow (Mr. Mikardo) and his "Deputy Chief Whip", the hon. Member for Bolsover (Mr. Skinner). They marshalled their forces superbly. It is the shape of things to come.

I commend this important Bill to the House. I believe that it will be one of the most important measures of this Parliament. It will transform one of our great growth industries—telecommunicatons—from being dominated by a monopoly to being driven by competition. We intend to liberalise the monopoly. This will provide great opportunities for British companies. It will provide more jobs and growth.

This is an excellent Bill, and I commend it to the House.

2.34 pm
Mr. Orme

This is an important but bad Bill—and it is no laughing matter. During the 23 hours of debate we have dealt with key issues such as the right to strike, pensions, the monopoly, cash limits, Cable and Wireless, telephone tapping, and mail interception. That is one reason why we have discussed the Bill for such a long time.

We make no apologies for having examined the Bill in great detail. I thank my hon. Friends for the way in which they have conducted the campaign throughout the night. We shall return to this issue again, because for us it is not closed. We have given a pledge that we shall restore the public monopoly, and we warn people that they could get their fingers burnt, because we shall not tolerate people making a profit out of this denationalisation measure.

On that basis, I ask my right hon. and hon. Friends to vote against the Third Reading.

Question put, That the Bill be now read the Third time:—

The House proceeded to a Division

Mr. John Wells (Maidstone)

(seated and covered): On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. I have always understood that hon. Members' votes should follow their voices. I understand that the hon. Member for Norfolk, North-West (Mr. Brocklebank-Fowler) voted for the Bill on Second Reading and against it on Third Reading. Which is his vote and which is his voice?

Mr. Speaker

The hon. Gentleman will be well aware that everyone in this place is entitled to change his mind.

The House having divided: Ayes 257, Noes, 156.

Division No. 146] [2.36 pm
Adley, Robert Garel-Jones, Tristan
Aitken, Jonathan Glyn, Dr Alan
Alexander, Richard Goodlad, Alastair
Alison, Michael Gorst, John
Alton, David Gow, Ian
Ancram, Michael Gower, Sir Raymond
Arnold, Tom Grant, Anthony (Harrow C)
Aspinwall, Jack Gray, Hamish
Atkins, Robert (Preston N) Greenway, Harry
Atkinson, David (B'm'th.E) Griffiths, E.(B'y St. Edm'ds)
Baker, Kenneth (St.M'bone) Griffiths, Peter Portsm'th N)
Baker, Nicholas (N Dorset) Grist, Ian
Banks, Robert Grylls, Michael
Beaumont-Dark, Anthony Gummer, John Selwyn
Beith, A. J. Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury)
Bell, Sir Ronald Hampson, Dr Keith
Bendall, Vivian Hannam, John
Benyon, Thomas (A'don) Haselhurst, Alan
Benyon, W. (Buckingham) Hastings, Stephen
Bevan, David Gilroy Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael
Biggs-Davison, John Hawkins, Paul
Blackburn, John Hawksley, Warren
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Heddle, John
Boscawen, Hon Robert Henderson, Barry
Bottomley, Peter (W'wich W) Heseltine, Rt Hon Michael
Bowden, Andrew Hicks, Robert
Boyson, Dr Rhodes Hill, James
Bright, Graham Hogg, Hon Douglas (Gr'th'm)
Brinton, Tim Hooson, Tom
Brittan, Leon Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey
Brooke, Hon Peter Howell, Ralph (N Norfolk)
Brotherton, Michael Hunt, David (Wirral)
Brown, Michael (Brigg & Sc'n) Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick
Browne, John (Winchester) Jessel, Toby
Bruce-Gardyne, John Jopling, Rt Hon Michael
Bryan, Sir Paul Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith
Buck, Antony Kaberry, Sir Donald
Budgen, Nick Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine
Bulmer, Esmond Kershaw, Anthony
Burden, Sir Frederick Kilfedder, James A.
Butcher, John King, Rt Hon Tom
Cadbury, Jocelyn Knight, Mrs Jill
Carlisle, John (Luton West) Knox, David
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Lamont, Norman
Chapman, Sydney Lang, Ian
Churchill, W. S. Langford-Holt, Sir John
Clark, Dr David (S Shields) Latham, Michael
Clark, Sir W. (Croydon S) Lawrence, Ivan
Cockeram, Eric Lawson, Rt Hon Nigel
Cope, John Lee, John
Corrie, John Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark
Costain, Sir Albert Lester, Jim (Beeston)
Critchley, Julian Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland)
Crouch, David Lloyd, Peter (Fareham)
Dean, Paul (North Somerset) Loveridge, John
Dorrell, Stephen Luce, Richard
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord J. McCrindle, Robert
Dover, Denshore McCusker, H.
du Cann, Rt Hon Edward MacGregor, John
Dunn, Robert (Dartford) MacKay, John (Argyll)
Durant, Tony Macmillan, Rt Hon M.
Eden, Rt Hon Sir John McNair-Wilson, M. (N'bury)
Eggar, Tim McNair-Wilson, P. (New F'st)
Fairbairn, Nicholas McQuarrie, Albert
Faith, Mrs Sheila Madel, David
Farr, John Major, John
Fenner, Mrs Peggy Marlow, Tony
Finsberg, Geoffrey Marshall, Michael (Arundel)
Fisher, Sir Nigel Marten, Neil (Banbury)
Fletcher, A. (Ed'nb'gh N) Mates, Michael
Fletcher-Cooke, Sir Charles Maude, Rt Hon Sir Angus
Fookes, Miss Janet Mawby, Ray
Fowler, Rt Hon Norman Mawhinney, Dr Brian
Fox, Marcus Mayhew, Patrick
Fraser, Peter (South Angus) Meyer, Sir Anthony
Fry, Peter Miller, Hal (B'grove)
Gardiner, George (Reigate) Mills, Iain (Meriden)
Mills, Peter (West Devon) Speed, Keith
Miscampbell, Norman Speller, Tony
Moate, Roger Spicer, Jim (West Dorset)
Monro, Hector Spicer, Michael (S Worcs)
Montgomery, Fergus Sproat, Iain
Moore, John Squire, Robin
Morgan, Geraint Stanbrook, Ivor
Morris, M. (N'hampton S) Stanley, John
Morrison, Hon C. (Devizes) Steen, Anthony
Mudd, David Stevens, Martin
Murphy, Christopher Stewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Neale, Gerrard Stewart, A. (E Renfrewshire)
Needham, Richard Stokes, John
Nelson, Anthony Stradling Thomas, J.
Neubert, Michael Taylor, Teddy (S'end E)
Newton, Tony Temple-Morris, Peter
Onslow, Cranley Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs M.
Oppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs S. Thomas, Rt Hon Peter
Osborn, John Thompson, Donald
Page, Rt Hon Sir G. (Crosby) Thorne, Neil (Ilford South)
Page, Richard (SW Herts) Thornton, Malcolm
Parris, Matthew Townend, John (Bridlington)
Patten, Christopher (Bath) Townsend, Cyril D, (B'heath)
Pawsey, James Trippier, David
Penhaligon, David Trotter, Neville
Percival, Sir Ian van Straubenzee, W. R.
Pink, R. Bonner Vaughan, Dr Gerard
Pollock, Alexander Viggers, Peter
Porter, Barry Wakeham, John
Price, Sir David (Eastleigh) Waldegrave, Hon William
Proctor, K. Harvey Walker, B. (Perth)
Pym, Rt Hon Francis Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir D.
Raison, Timothy Waller, Gary
Rathbone, Tim Ward, John
Rees-Davies, W. R. Warren, Kenneth
Rhodes James, Robert Watson, John
Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Wells, John (Maidstone)
Ridley, Hon Nicholas Wells, Bowen
Rifkind, Malcolm Wheeler, John
Roberts, Wyn (Conway) Whitelaw, Rt Hon William
Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) Whitney, Raymond
Ross, Wm. (Londonderry) Wickenden, Keith
Rossi, Hugh Wiggin, Jerry
Rost, Peter Wilkinson, John
Sainsbury, Hon Timothy Williams, D.(Montgomery)
Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) Winterton, Nicholas
Shelton, William (Streatham) Wolfson, Mark
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Young, Sir George (Acton)
Shepherd, Richard Younger, Rt Hon George
Shersby, Michael
Silvester, Fred Tellers for the Ayes:
Sims, Roger Mr. Spencer Le Marchant and Mr. Carol Mather.
Skeet, T. H. H.
Smith, Dudley
Adams, Allen Cowans, Harry
Anderson, Donald Cox, T. (W'dsw'th, Toot'g)
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Crawshaw, Richard
Ashton, Joe Crowther, J. S.
Benn, Rt Hon A. Wedgwood Cryer, Bob
Bennett, Andrew (St'kp't N) Cunliffe, Lawrence
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Cunningham, G. (Islington S)
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Dalyell, Tam
Bradley, Tom Davidson, Arthur
Bray, Dr Jeremy Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)
Brocklebank-Fowler, C. Dempsey, James
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Dewar, Donald
Brown, Ron (E'burgh, Leith) Dixon, Donald
Brown, Ronald W. (H'ckn'y S) Dormand, Jack
Callaghan, Rt Hon J. Douglas, Dick
Callaghan, Jim (Midd't'n & P) Dubs, Alfred
Campbell, Ian Duffy, A. E. P.
Campbell-Savours, Dale Dunwoody, Hon Mrs G.
Carmichael, Neil Eadie, Alex
Carter-Jones, Lewis Eastham, Ken
Clark, Dr David (S Shields) Edwards, R. (W'hampt'n S E)
Cocks, Rt Hon M. (B'stol S) Ellis, R. (NE D'bysh're)
Coleman, Donald Ellis, Tom (Wrexham)
Cook, Robin F. English, Michael
Ennals, Rt Hon David McTaggart, Robert
Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) McWilliam, John
Evans, John (Newton) Magee, Bryan
Fitt, Gerard Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole)
Flannery, Martin Marshall, Jim (Leicester S)
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Martin, M (G'gow S'burn)
Ford, Ben Maxton, John
Forrester, John Meacher, Michael
Foster, Derek Mikardo, Ian
Foulkes, George Millan, Rt Hon Bruce
Garrett, John (Norwich S) Mitchell, Austin (Grimsby)
Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) Morton, George
George, Bruce Moyle, Rt Hon Roland
Golding, John O'Halloran, Michael
Hamilton, W. W. (C'tral Fife) O'Neill, Martin
Hardy, Peter Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Owen, Rt Hon Dr David
Hart, Rt Hon Dame Judith Pavitt, Laurie
Haynes, Frank Pendry, Tom
Heffer, Eric S. Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Hogg, N. (E Dunb't'nshire) Price, C. (Lewisham W)
Holland, S. (L'b'th, Vauxh'll) Race, Reg
Homewood, William Rees, Rt Hon M (Leeds S)
Horam, John Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Huckfield, Les Roberts, Ernest (Hackney N)
Hudson Davies, Gwilym E. Robertson, George
Hughes, Mark (Durham) Robinson, G. (Coventry NW)
Janner, Hon Greville Rooker, J. W.
John, Brynmor Ross, Ernest (Dundee West)
Johnson, James (Hull West) Sever, John
Jones, Barry (East Flint) Sheldon, Rt Hon R.
Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald Short, Mrs Renée
Kerr, Russell Silkin, Rt Hon J. (Deptford)
Kilroy-Silk, Robert Silverman, Julius
Leighton, Ronald Skinner, Dennis
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Soley, Clive
Litherland, Robert Spearing, Nigel
Lofthouse, Geoffrey Stallard, A. W.
Lyons, Edward (Bradf'd W) Stewart, Rt Hon D. (W Isles)
McCartney, Hugh Stoddart, David
McDonald, Dr Oonagh Stott, Roger
McElhone, Frank Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
McGuire, Michael (Ince) Thorne, Stan (Preston South)
McKelvey, William Tilley, John
MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor Urwin, Rt Hon Tom
Maclennan, Robert Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
McNally, Thomas Wainwright, E. (Dearne V)
McNamara, Kevin Walker, Rt Hon H. (D'caster)
Watkins, David Winnick, David
Welsh, Michael Woodall, Alec
White, Frank R. Woolmer, Kenneth
White, J. (G'gow Pollok) Young, David (Bolton E)
Wigley, Dafydd
Willey, Rt Hon Frederick Tellers for the Noes:
Williams, Rt Hon A.fS'sea W) Mr. James Hamilton and Mr. Allen McKay.
Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E)

Question accordingly agreed to.

Bill read the Third time and passed.

Mr. David Ennals (Norwich, North)

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today—it seems like yesterday—I raised with you the question of the behaviour of the hon. and learned Member for Beaconsfield (Sir R. Bell), because he pre-empted me by force when I attempted to table a new clause on the wearing of seat belts. You said, Mr. Speaker, that you would rule tomorrow—although it seems like today—on whether my report to you should be referred for consideration by the Committee of Privileges. I carefully read the statement made by the hon. and learned Gentleman. He said: I should be sorry if the right hon. Gentleman felt a sense of grievance about anything that happened yesterday. I do not want any parliamentary colleague to feel a sense of personal grievance."—[Official Report, 1 April 1981; Vol. 2, c. 2,89.] Although I felt a sense of personal grievance at the time, I accept the hon. and learned Gentleman's apology and ask you, Mr. Speaker, not to proceed further.

Mr. Speaker

I am very much obliged to the right hon. Gentleman.

Sir Ronald Bell (Beaconsfield)

It remains only for me to thank the right hon. Gentleman for his remarks. I am sure that misunderstandings between hon. Members are best resolved amicably.

Mr. Speaker

Although it is officially 1 April, it is also Thursday. The House will want to know next week's business. I shall therefore call on the Leader of the House to make a Business Statement.