§ Motion made, and Question proposed,
§ That, in the opinion of this House, no Minister of the Crown should give agreement in the Council of Ministers to any proposal for European legislation which has been recommended by the Select Committee on European Legislation, &c., for consideration by the House before the House has given it that consideration unless—
- (a) that Committee has indicated that agreement need not be withheld, or
- (b) the Minister concerned decides that for special reasons agreement should not be withheld;
§ and in the latter case the Minister should, at the first opportunity thereafter, explain the reasons for his decision to the House.—[Mr. St. John-Stevas.]
839§ Mr. JayI beg to move amendment (b), after second 'consideration', insert
'on a motion relating to that proposal.'
| Division No. 483] | AYES | [10.13 p.m. |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Hogg, Hon Douglas (Grantham) | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds South) |
| Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) | Howells, Geraint | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge-Br'hills) |
| Beith, A. J. | Jay, Rt Hon Douglas | Silverman, Julius |
| Body, Richard | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Spearing, Nigel |
| Brinton, Tim | McKay, Allen (Penistone) | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg & Sc'thorpe) | Marlow, Tony | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Browne, John (Winchester) | Flaxton, John | Taylor, Teddy (Southend East) |
| Clark, Hon Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) | Molyneaux, James | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Colvin, Michael | Morgan, Geraint | Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek |
| Cunningham, George (Islington S) | Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wythenshaw) | Watson, John |
| Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford) | Murphy, Christopher | Wells. Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage) |
| Deakins, Eric | Neale, Gerrard | Wheeler, John |
| Douglas-Mann, Bruce | Needham, Richard | Wilson, Gordon (Dundee East) |
| Dunn, Robert (Dartford) | Page, Rt Hon Sir Graham (Crosby) | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth | Parris, Matthew | |
| English, Michael | Penhaligon, David | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| George, Bruce | Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch (S Down) | Mr. Frank Hooley and |
| Hawksley, Warren | Proctor, K Harvey | Mr. Frank Haynes |
| NOES | ||
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Haselhurst, Alan | Page, John (Harrow, West) |
| Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) | Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael | Patten, Christopher (Bath) |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) | Hayhoe, Barney | Percival, Sir Ian |
| Blackburn, John | Heddle, John | Pym, Rt Hon Francis |
| Blaker, Peter | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. | Raison, Timothy |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Rees, Peter (Dover and Deal) |
| Boyson, Dr Rhodes | Howell, Rt Hon David (Guildford) | Rhodes James, Robert |
| Britian, Leon | Hunt, David (Wirral) | Ridley, Hon Nicholas |
| Brooke, Hon Peter | Hurd, Hon Douglas | Rifkind, Malcolm |
| Bryan, Sir Paul | Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) |
| Carlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn) | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) |
| Chalker, Mrs. Lynda | Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Sainsbury, Hon Timothy |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Kershaw, Anthony | St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Kimball, Marcus | Sims, Roger |
| Cope, John | King, Rt Hon Tom | Speed, Keith |
| Crouch, David | Knight, Mrs Jill | Speller, Tony |
| Dean, Paul (North Somerset) | Lamont, Norman | Stevens, Martin |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
| du Cann, Rt Hon Edward | Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo) | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Durant, Tony | Luce, Richard | Tebbit, Norman |
| Eyre, Reginald | Macfarlane, Nell | Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret |
| Fairbairn, Nicholas | Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| Fairgrieve, Russell | Mather, Carol | Waddington, David |
| Faith, Mrs Sheila | Maude, Rt Hon Angus | Wakeham, John |
| Finsberg, Geoffrey | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Warren, Kenneth |
| Fisher, Sir Nigel | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Whitelaw, Rt Hon William |
| Forman, Nigel | Mills, Iain (Meriden) | Whitney, Raymond |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Wickenden, Keith |
| Fox, Marcus | Monro, Vector | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Gardiner, George (Reigate) | Moore, John | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | Morrison, Hon Charles (Devizes) | |
| Goodhart, Philip | Nelson, Anthony | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Gow, Ian | Neubert, Michael | Mr Spencer Le Marchant and |
| Gray, Hamish | Nott, Rt Hon John | Mr. Anthony Berry |
| Hampson, Dr Keith |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ Mr. Douglas Jay (Battersea, North)I beg to move amendment (c), in subparagraph (a), leave out from 'withheld' to end of motion.
§ Question put, That the amendment he made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 50, Noes 99.
§ Question put, That the amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 29, Noes 117.
| Farris, Matthew | Stanbrook, Ivor | Wilson, Gordon (Dundee East) |
| Powell, Et Hon J. Enoch (S Down) | Taylor, Teddy (Southend East) | |
| Proctor, K Harvey | Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge-Br'hills) | Wells, Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage) | Mr. Frank Hooley and |
| Spearing, Nigel | Wheeler, John | Mr. Frank Haynes |
| NOES | ||
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Haselhurst, Alan | Neubert, Michael |
| Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) | Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael | Nott, Rt Hon John |
| Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) | Hayhoe, Barney | Page, John (Harrow, West) |
| Beith, A. J. | Heddle, John | Page, Rt Hon Sir Graham (Crosby) |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. | Patten, Christopher (Bath) |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Hogg, Hon Douglas (Grantham) | Penhargon, David |
| Best, Keith | Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Percival, Sir Ian |
| Blackburn, John | Howell, Rt Hon David (Guildford) | Pyre, Rt Hon Francis |
| Blaker, Peter | Howells, Geraint | Raison, Timothy |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Hunt, David (Wirral) | Rees, Peter (Dover and Deal) |
| Boyson, Dr Rhodes | Hurd, Hon Douglas | Rhodes James, Robert |
| Brittan, Leon | Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick | Ridley, Hon Nicholas |
| Bryan, Sir Paul | Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Rifkind, Malcolm |
| Carlisle, Flt Hon Mark (Runcorn) | Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) |
| Chalker, Mrs. Lynda | Kershaw, Anthony | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) |
| Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Kimball, Marcus | Sainsbury, Hon Timothy |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | King, Rt Hon Tom | St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman |
| Colvin, Michael | Knight, Mrs Jill | Sims, Roger |
| Cope, John | Lamont, Norman | Speed, Keith |
| Crouch, David | Le Marchant, Spencer | Speller, Tony |
| Dean, Paul (North Somerset) | Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo) | Stevens, Martin |
| du Cann, Rt Hon Edward | Loveridge, John | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
| Dunn, Robert (Dartford) | Luce, Richard | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Durant, Tony | Lyell, Nicholas | Tebbit, Norman |
| Eyre, Reginald | Macfarlane, Neil | Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret |
| Fairbairn, Nicholas | Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Fairgrieve, Russell | Marten, Neil (Banbury) | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| Faith, Mrs Sheila | Mather, Carol | Wakeham, John |
| Fenner, Mrs Peggy | Maude, Rt Hon Angus | Warren, Kenneth |
| Finsberg, Geoffrey | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Whitelaw, Rt Hon William |
| Fisher, Sir Nigel | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Whitney, Raymond |
| Forman, Nigel | Mills, Iain (Meriden) | Wickenden, Keith |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Fox, Marcus | Monro, Hector | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Gardiner, George (Reigate) | Moore, John | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | Morgan, Geraint | |
| Goodhart, Philip | Morrison, Hon Charles (Devizes) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Gow, Ian | Needham, Richard | Mr. David Waddington and |
| Gray, Hamish | Nelson, Anthony | Mr. Peter Brooke |
| Hampson, Dr Keith |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
| Division No. 485] | AYES | [10.35 p.m. |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Hawksley, Warren | Parris, Matthew |
| Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) | Haynes, Frank | Fenhaligon, David |
| Beith, A. J. | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. Powell, Rt Hon | Enoch (S Down) |
| Best, Keith | Hogg, Hon Douglas (Grantham) | Proctor, K Harvey |
| Blackburn, John | Hooley, Frank | Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge-Br'hills) |
| Body, Richard | Howells, Geraint | Silverman, Julius |
| Brinton, Tim | Jay, Rt Hon Douglas | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg & Sc'thorpe) | Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo) | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Browne, John (Winchester) | Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) | Stevens, Martin |
| Colvin, Michael | Loveridge, John | Taylor, Teddy (Southend East) |
| Craigen, J. M. (Glasgow, Maryhill) | Lyell, Nicholas | Townend, John (Bridlington) |
| Crouch, David | McKay, Allen (Pentstone) | Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek |
| Cunningham, George (Islington S) | Marlow, Tony | Wells, Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage) |
| Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford) | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Wheeler, John |
| Deakins, Eric | Molyneaux, James | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Douglas-Mann, Bruce | Morgan, Geraint | |
| Dunn, Robert (Dartford) | Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wythenshaw) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Dunwoody, Hon Mrs Gwyneth | Murphy, Christopher | Mr. Nigel Spearing and |
| Faith, Mrs Sheila | Needham, Richard | Mr. John Maxton |
| Fenner, Mrs Peggy | Fage, Rt Hon Sir Graham (Crosby) |
| NOES | ||
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Boyson, Dr Rhodes | Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) |
| Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) | Britian, Leon | Cope, John |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) | Bryan, Sir Paul | Dean, Paul (North Somerset) |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Carlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn) | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James |
| Blaker, Peter | Chalker, Mrs. Lynda | du Cann, Rt Hon Edward |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Channon, Rt Hon Paul | Durant, Tony |
§ Question put, That the amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 55, Noes 93.
| English, Michael | King, Rt Hon Tom | Rhodes James, Robert |
| Eyre, Reginald | Knight, Mrs Jill | Ridley, Hon Nicholas |
| Fairbairn, Nicholas | Lamont, Norman | Rifkind, Malcolm |
| Fairgrieve, Russell | Le Marchant, Spencer | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) |
| Finsberg, Geoffrey | Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) |
| Fisher, Sir Nigel | Luce, Richard | Sainsbury, Hon Timothy |
| Forman, Nigel | Macfarlane, Neil | St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman |
| Fowler, Rt Hon Norman | Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Sims, Roger |
| Fox, Marcus | Marten, Neil (Banbury) | Speed, Keith |
| Garel-Jones, Tristan | Mather, Carol | Speller, Tony |
| Goodhart, Philip | Maude, Rt Hon Angus | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
| Gow, Ian | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Gray, Hamish | Mills, Iain (Meriden) | Tebbit, Norman |
| Hampson, Dr Keith | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret |
| Haselhurst, Alan | Monro, Hector | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael | Moore, John | Waddington, David |
| Hayhoe, Barney | Morrison, Hon Charles (Devizes) | Warren, Kenneth |
| Heddle, John | Nelson, Anthony | Whitelaw, Rt Hon William |
| Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Neubert, Michael | Whitney, Raymond |
| Howell, Rt Hon David (Guildford) | Nott, Rt Hon John | Wickenden, Keith |
| Hunt, David (Wirral) | Page, John (Harrow, West) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Hurd, Hon Douglas | Patten, Christopher (Bath) | Young, Sir George (Acton) |
| Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick | Percival, Sir Ian | |
| Jopling, Rt Hon Michael | Pym, Rt Hon Francis | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Raison, Timothy | Mr. John Wakeham and |
| Kershaw, Anthony | Rees, Peter (Dover and Deal) | Mr. Peter Brooke |
| Kimball, Marcus |
§ Question accordingly negatived.
§ Main Question put and agreed to.
§ Resolved,
§ That, in the opinion of this House, no Minister of the Crown should give agreement in the Council of Ministers to any proposal for European legislation which has been recommended by the Select Committee on European Legislation, &c., for consideration by the House before the House has given it that consideration unless
- (a) that Committee has indicated that agreement need not be withheld, or
- (b) the Minister concerned decides that for special reasons agreement should not be withheld;
§ That Standing Order No. 73A (Standing Committee on Statutory Instruments, &c.) be amended as follows:
| Line 5, leave out from 'instruments' to 'referred' in line 7. |
| Line 26, leave out from 'approved' to end of line 28. |
| Line 32, leave out 'or commission document'. |
| Line 40, leave out 'or commission document'. |
| Line 43, leave out '(or commission document)'. |
| Line 53, leave out 'or commission document'. |
| Line 57, leave out '3(ii) or 3(iii)' and insert 'or 3(ii)'. |
| Line 59, leave out 'or commission document'. |
| Line 62, leave out from 'thereon' to end of line 65.—[Mr. St. John-Stevas.] |
Mr. Deputy SpeakerDoes the hon. Member for Newham, South (Mr. Spearing) wish to move his amendment?
§ Mr. SpearingI beg to move amendment (a), in line 8, at end insert—
| Division No. 486] | AYES | [10.45 p.m. |
| Body, Richard | Haynes, Frank | Molyneaux, James |
| Brown, Michael (Brigg & Sc'thorpe) | Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. | Morgan, Geraint |
| Browne, John (Winchester) | Howells, Geraint | Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wythenshaw) |
| Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford) | Jay, Rt Hon Douglas | Murphy, Christopher |
| Dunn, Robert (Dartford) | Kershaw, Anthony | Page, Rt Hon Sir Graham (Crosby) |
| English, Michael | Loveridge, John | Parris, Matthew |
§ and in the latter case the Minister should, at the first opportunity thereafter, explain the reasons for his decision to the House.
§ Resolved,
§ That a Select Committee should be appointed at the beginning of the next Session of Parliament to examine the House's present procedure for considering and voting on the Government's requests for Supply, and to make recommendations.—[Mr. St. John-Stevas.]