HC Deb 19 May 1980 vol 985 cc190-201

'(1) Where a conveyance or grant executed in pursuance of this Chapter is of a dwelling-house which is designed or specially adapted to make it suitable for occupation by persons of pensionable age or which the landlord certifies in writing to the tenant is reserved for letting to such persons, the conveyance or grant shall contain a perpetual right of pre-emption precluding a disposal of the dwellinghouse falling within subsection (2) below unless the owner for the time being has first offered to sell the dwellinghouse to the landlord with vacant possession and the landlord has refused the offer or has failed to accept it within one month after it is made, the price (subject to subsection (4) below) to be the price which, at that time, the dwellinghouse would realise if sold on the open market by a willing Vendor and which shall be determined by agreement between the parties but in default of such agreement which shall be determined by the District Valuer whose determination of such price shall be conclusive and not be capable of being questioned in any proceedings.

(2) A disposal falls within this sub-section if it is—

  1. (a) a further conveyance of the freehold or an assignment of the lease; or
  2. (b) the grant of lease or sub-lease for a term of more than 21 years otherwise than at a rack rent;

whether the disposal is of the whole or part of the dwellinghouse; but neither a disposal in pursuance of an order under section 24 of the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 nor a vesting in a person taking under a will or an intestacy is a disposal falling within this subsection.'.

(3) The reference in subsection (2) above to a lease or sub-lease does not include a mortgage term.

(4) Where a dwellinghouse falling within this section is sold by the landlord at a discount, the pre-emption right contained in the conveyance or grant shall provide that on the first occasion of a disposal falling within subsection (2) above which takes place within a period of five years from the date of the conveyance or grant, the purchase price payable on the exercise of the right shall be reduced by the amount specified in subsection (5) below.

(5) The amount by which the purchase price payable on the exercise of its pre-emption right is to be reduced in the circumstances mentioned in subsection (4) above shall be an amount equal to the discount to which the secure tenant was entitled on the sale by the landlord but reduced by 20 per cent. of that discount for each complete year which has elapsed between the date of the conveyance or grant and the date of purchase under the preemption right.

(6) Nothing in this section shall affect the operation of section 8 of this Act in relation to dwelling-houses to which this section applies.

(7) The pre-emption right referred to in this section shall be a local land charge and the Chief Land Registrar shall enter the appropriate restriction on the register of title as if application therefor had been made under section 58 of the Land Registration Act 1925.'.—[Mr. Kaufman.]

Brought up, and read the First time.

10.45 pm
Mr. Kaufman

I beg to move, that the clause be read a second time.

Mr. Deputy Speaker (Mr. Bernard Weatherill)

With this, it will be convenient to take amendment No. 90, in Schedule 1, page 88, line 23, at end insert— ' 5. The dwelling house has been provided primarily for the accommodation of elderly tenants and is situated in a National Park, or an area designated under section 87 of the National Parks and Access to the Countryside Act 1949 as an area of outstanding natural beauty, or an area designated by Order of the Secretary of State as a rural area.'.

Mr. Kaufman

The aim of the new clause is to fulfil a commitment in the Conservative Party election manifesto that recognised the special circumstances of sheltered housing for the elderly. By allowing council houses specially built for the elderly to be sold off, the Government are dissipating the most important of the housing stock for the elderly. The case has been well put in a document circulated to many hon. Members by the Association of District Councils. The association, arguing the case for special treatment for old people's houses, says (a) In many cases, it is in desperately short supply; housing authorities with little ' sheltered ' accommodation are heavily dependent upon it to meet the needs of the elderly, waiting times are often much longer than for other kinds of accommodation. (b) unlike ordinary family dwellings, occupancy is likely to change within a relatively short time-scale; (c) pre-emption in respect of such dwellings has been accepted in the parallel Scottish Bill (Clause 4 (4)); I hope that the Minister will explain why he is not willing to put into this Bill what is already in the Scottish Bill. The document states: (d) without some safeguards, purpose-built accommodation for the elderly may, within a short time-scale, be sold to people from other areas as retirement or second homes; a number of inland and coastal resort areas with an existing high proportion of elderly residents will have much of their accommodation for the elderly unprotected by the existing exemption in Schedule 1; (e) in practice, there is often little distinction between the occupants of sheltered schemes and those in specially designed accommodation without wardens. As the Bill stands, local authorities will be required to sell homes specially built for old people, and local authorities will not have pre-emption rights to get those back again. We believe, as stated in the new clause, that there should be a perpetual pre-emption right, subject to the landlord's first refusal. If the old person who has bought the house wishes to sell it again the council must first have the chance to take it back into its stock. In this way, old people will have the right to buy, upon which the Government appear to set such great store, but, at the same time, it will be impossible for old persons' bungalows to be sold permanently out of the public stock unless the local authority is given the right to take that old people's property back again.

The ADC talks about people buying retirement homes and second homes, but there is a much greater danger of fringe bankers and other seedy merchants hanging around old people's estates, waiting like vultures for the pickings that will be available under the provisions of the Bill. Old people will be bamboozled into buying their houses with a commitment to sell them to the fringe bankers and to seedy property speculators who hang around our great cities and other areas. We want to put that situation right. It is particularly important that these houses should be kept in the stock, because of the cost of building new property.

The Minister told us that the cost of building a new council house is now £19,250. Building an old person's house will cost more than that. Since the old person will almost certainly qualify for the maximum discount of 50 per cent., which is available with 17 years' residence, the local authority will get only 50 per cent. of its revenue to build new houses. A house will be built and in return the local authority will get, at most, a quarter of the value of the house, bearing in mind that the district valuer's valuation will probably be lower than the price of building a new house. That means that the authority will lose about 75 per cent. of its houses and they will not be replaced.

The amendment seeks to prevent the sale of old people's houses in rural areas where there is a particular shortage of such houses. It is little short of scandalous that the Government should consider removing such houses from the housing stock.

That is our proposal—first, a permanent pre-emption right on all old people's houses which can be sold to maintain those important specialised houses in local authority stocks and, secondly, a ban on the sale of those houses in rural areas.

I hope that not only my right hon. and hon. Friends but Conservative Members wishing to fulfil their election manifesto will vote with us on this proposal.

Mr. D. N. Campbell-Savours (Workington)

I shall be brief. Some weeks ago the Allerdale district council sent a delegation to make representations to the Select Committee in the hope that the evidence of that Select Committee would come before the House prior to the Bill on Report to influence judgments and votes in the Division Lobbies.

There is considerable concern in the Allerdale district about those parts of the Bill which will lead to the sale of elderly persons' property to people outside the county of Cumbria. Inside the national park area the problem is essentially scarcity and restrictions by the Lake District planning board on new construction and new build of property for the elderly. The development of the second and holiday home syndrome means that between 12 per cent. and 17 per cent., dependent on what part of the national park one visits, are in the hands of people who own second homes or who use them for holiday lets in the summer season.

Another problem is that we have an immobile population. Therefore, few relets are available. In Keswick last year only six relets were made available, for a waiting list of 152 people. That is a reflection of the great problem throughout the national parks, not just in the part of the national park that falls within my constituency.

There are considerable fears in the local authority that the relatives of elderly people may find it opportune to fund the purchase of an elderly relative's house, thereby getting access to a second home in years to come. Reservations are being expressed by local authorities on this potential abuse of the Bill. It may be the Government's intention that that should happen.

The Government's response has been to introduce this 10-year pre-emption "buy back "clause. The Allerdale district council does not feel that that will resolve the problem. The local authority has been given the right to purchase back during a 10-year period, but at current market value. On a quick calculation, if a house in Keswick worth £30,000 today, which is a menial house, were to be sold at a 50 per cent. discount for £15,000 to a silting tenant or to a relative of that tenant, by the end of the Government's period in office the resale value of that house, based on the past five years of inflation in house prices in the Lake District national park, would be £91,552. It is sheer lunacy to expect a local authority to purchase back a property at over £91,000 when only five years previously it was compelled by legislation to sell that property with a 50 per cent. discount at £15,000.

I must say that there is a strong feeling not only in the national park that forms part of my constituency but in every national park in the country that the right hon. Gentleman would do well to read the proceedings of the Select Committee and try to take a sensible view, when we discuss Lords amendments, by making a recommendation that will appease the feelings that exist in the national parks.

Mr. Stanley

In the course of our proceedings, I do not believe that the right hon. Member for Manchester. Ardwick (Mr. Kaufman) has managed to pray in aid the Conservative manifesto in introducing an Opposition amendment. I am glad he is now converted to the merits of the Conservative manifesto. Perhaps he would like to look at further passages.

Mr. Kaufman

I have got a very good passage, namely, the promise to reduce mortgages. How about that one?

Mr. Stanley

I think that we can square that one with the promises made by the Labour Party in the 1974 election to increase council house building year after year. Council house building went down year after year, as the right hon. Gentleman well knows.

The Government have already included in the Bill an important exclusion which is wider than the exclusion in the Scottish legislation, which is the point that is relevant to the pre-emption amendment also, as far as dwellings for the elderly are concerned. That is provided for in paragraph 4 of schedule 1 to the Bill.

We have also said that at no time do we think it would be right to produce a general exclusion of dwellings for the elderly. Also, we do not believe that it would be right to produce a general pre-emption clause going on to infinity for the elderly. We have, it is true, introduced a 10-year pre-emption clause for areas of outstanding natural beauty, national parks and designated rural areas, but, as I explained in Committee, we did that with some reluctance.

Pre-emption certainly circumscribes an important aspect of the ownership of someone who has bought a house if the local authority exercises the right to pre-emption. That means that an owner loses control of the determination of the price at which he sells his home. We, therefore, think it right that we should use pre-emption as sparingly as we can.

We believe that it is right that in the special circumstances of the rural areas we should provide the option of a 10-year pre-emption to the existing locality covenant, though we do not believe that it would be right to couple that the pre-emption going on its perpetuity for all elderly persons dwellings.

In relation to the national parks, we think that it would be wrong to produce an exclusion of all elderly persons' dwellings in certain geographical areas. The exclusion we believe should apply nationally because those dwellings are special types of elderly persons' dwellings with a social services facility. It would be quite wrong to say that in certain parts of the country such as the national parks and areas of outstanding natural beauty that the exclusion which would apply to such dwellings should be different from the one which applied elsewhere.

We think that we have got the balance as right as we can get it. Clearly there must, to some extent, be a conflict between the interests of elderly people who wish to buy and a community interest in certain specialist types of property. We have achieved this by the combination of the exclusion in schedule 1 coupled with the pre-emption right, which we think should extend to the national parks and areas of outstanding natural beauty.

To go further in the direction desired by the Opposition would be an undesirable extension of pre-emption generally and, as far as the national parks and areas of outstanding natural beauty are concerned, it would be quite wrong to treat elderly persons' dwellings differently from the rest of the country.

I hope that the House will reject the Opposition's new clause.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time.

The House divided: Ayes 239, Noes 303.

Division No. 312] AYES [11pm
Abse, Leo Beith, A. J. Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P)
Adams, Allen Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Campbell, Ian
Allaun, Frank Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Campbell-Savours, Dale
Alton, David Bidwell, Sydney Canavan, Dennis
Anderson, Donald Booth, Rt Hon Albert Cant, R. B.
Archer, Rt Hon Pater Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur (M'brough) Carter-Jones, Lewis
Ashley, Rt Hon Jack Bradley, Tom Cartwrlght, John
Ashton, Joe Bray, Dr Jeremy Clark, Dr David (South Shields)
Atkinson, Norman (H'gey, Tott'ham) Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S)
Bagler, Gordon A. T. Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Cohen, Stanley
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Brown, Ron (Edinburgh, Leilh) Coleman, Donald
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) Buchan, Norman Concannon, Rt Hon J. D.
Conlan, Bernard Hudson, Davies, Gwilym Ednyfed Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch (S Down)
Cook, Robin F. Hughes, Mark (Durham) Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Cowans, Harry Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen North) Prescott, John
Craigen, J. M. (Glasgow, Maryhill) Hughes, Roy (Newport) Price, Christopher (Lewlsham West)
Crowther, J. S Janner, Hon Greville Race, Reg
Cryer, Bob Jay, Rt Hon Douglas Richardson, Jo
Cunliffe, Lawrence John, Brynmor Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Cunningham, George (Islington S) Johnson, Walter (Derby South) Roberts, Alian (Bootle)
Cunningham, Dr John (Whitehaven) Johnston, Russell (Inverness) Roberts, Ernest (Hackney North)
Dalyell, Tarn Jones, Rt Hon Alec (Rhondda) Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock)
Davidson, Arthur Jones, Barry (East Flint) Robinson, Geoffrey (Coventry NW)
Davies, Rt Hon Denzll (Llanelli) Jones, Dan (Burnley) Rooker, J. W.
Davis, Clinton (Hackney Central) Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald Ross, Ernest (Dundee West)
Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford) Kerr, Russell Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Deakins, Eric Kilroy-Silk, Robert Ross, Wm. (Londonderry)
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) Lambie, David Rowlands, Ted
Dempsey, James Lamborn, Harry Ryman, John
Dewar, Donald Lamond, James Sandelson, Neville
Dobson, Frank Leadbitter, Ted Sever, John
Dormand, Jack Leighton, Ronald Sheerman, Barry
Douglas, Dick Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert (A'ton-u-L)
Douglas-Mann, Bruce Lewis, Arthur (Newham North West) Shore, Rt Hon Peter (Step and Pop)
Dubs, Alfred Litherland, Robert Short, Mrs Renėe
Duffy, A. E. P. Lofthouse, Geoffrey Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford)
Dunn, James A. (Liverpool, Kirkdale) Lyon, Alexander (York) Sllkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich)
Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Lyons, Edward (Bradford West) Silverman, Julius
Ellis, Raymond (NE Derbyshire) Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson Skinner, Dennis
English, Michael McDonald, Dr Oonagh Smith, Rt Hon J. (North Lanarkshire)
Ennals, Rt Hon David McElhone, Frank Snape, Peter
Evans, loan (Aberdare) McGulre, Michael (Ince) Soley, Clive
Evans, John (Newton) McKay, Allen (Penistone) Spriggs, Leslie
Ewing, Harry McKelvey, William Stallard, A. W.
Faulds, Andrew MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor Stoddart, David
Field, Frank Maclennan, Robert Strang, Gavin
Fitch, Alan McNaily, Thomas Straw, Jack
Flannery, Martin McWilliam, John Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Magee, Bryan Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West)
Foot, Rt Hon Michael Marks, Kenneth Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Ford, Ben Marshall, David (Gl'sgow, Shettles'n) Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Forrester, John Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Thomas, Dr Roger (Carmarthen)
Foster, Derek Marshall, Jim (Leicester South) Thorne, Stan (Preston South)
Fraser, John (Lambeth, Norwood) Mason, Rt Hon Roy Tilley, John
Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Maxton, John Torney, Tom
Freud, Clement Maynard, Miss Joan Urwln, Rt Hon Tom
Garrett, John (Norwich S) Meacher, Michael Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
George, Bruce Mellish, Rt Hon Robert Walnwright, Edwin (Dearno Valley)
Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John Mikardo, Ian Watklns, David
Ginsburg, David Mlllan, Rt Hon Bruce Weetch, Ken
Gourlay, Harry Miller, Dr M. S. (East Kilbride) Wellbeloved, James
Graham, Ted Mitchell, Austin (Grimsby) Welsh, Michael
Grant, George (Morpeth) Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) White, Frank R. (Bury & Radcllfte)
Grant, John (Islington C) Molyneaux, James White, James (Glasgow, Pollok)
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wythenshawe) Whitehead, Phillip
Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) Morris, Rt Hon Charles (Openshaw) Whitlock, William
Hardy, Peter Morris, Rt Hon John (Aberavon) Wigley, Dafydd
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Morton, George Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W)
Hart, Rt Hon Dame Judith Moyle, Rt Hon Roland Wlliams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy Newens, Stanley Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Haynes, Frank Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Healey, Rt Hon Denls Ogden, Eric Winnick, David
Helfer, Eric S. O'Halloran, Michael Woodall, Alec
Hogg, Norman (E Dunbartonshire) O'Neill, Martin Woolmer, Kenneth
Holland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall) Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Wrigglesworth, Ian
Home Robertson, John Owen, Rt Hon Dr David Young, David (Bolton East)
Homewood, William Palmer, Arthur
Hooley, Frank Park, George TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Horam, John Howells, Geralnt Parry, Robert Pendry, Tom Mr. Hugh McCartney and
Huckfield, Les Penhallgon, David Mr. James Tinn.
Adley, Robert Bendall, Vivian Boyson, Dr Rhodes
Aitken, Jonathan Benyon, Thomas (Abingdon) Braine, Sir Bernard
Alexander, Richard Benyon, W. (Buckingham) Bright, Graham
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Best, Keith Brinton, Tim
Ancram, Michael Bevan, David Gilroy Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher
Arnold, Tom Riffen, Rt Hon John Brooke, Hon Peter
Aspinwall, Jack Biggs-Davison, John Brotherton, Michael
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Blackburn, John Brown, Michael (Brigg & Sc'thorpe)
Atkins, Robert (Preston North) Blaker, Peter Browne, John (Winchester)
Atkinson, David (B'mouth, East) Body, Richard Bruce-Gardyne, John
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Bryan, Sir Paul
Banks, Robert Boscawen, Hon Robert Buchanan-Smith, Hon Alick
Beaumont-Dark, Anthony Bottomley, Peter (Woolwich West) Buck, Antony
Budgen, Nick Hill, James Page, Richard (SW Hertfordshire)
Bulmer, Esmond Hogg, Hon Douglas (Grantham) Parkinson, Cecil
Burden, F. A. Holland, Philip (Carlton) Parris, Matthew
Butcher, John Hooson, Tom Patten, Christopher (Bath)
Bulter, Hon Adam Hordern, Peter Patten, John (Oxford)
Cadbury, Jocelyn Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Pattle, Geoffrey
Carlisle, John (Luton West) Howell, Rt Hon David (Guildford) Pawsey, James
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoin) Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) Percival, Sir Ian
Carlisle, Bt Hon Mark (Runcorn) Hunt, David (Wlrral) Peyton, Rt Hon John
Chalker, Mrs. Lynda Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Pink, R. Bonner
Channon, Paul Hurd, Hon Douglas Pollock, Alexander
Chapman, Sydney Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) Porter, George
Churchill, W. S. Jenkln, Rt Hon Patrick Price, David (Eastleigh)
Clark, Hon Alan (Flymouih, Sutton) Johnson Smith, Geoffrey Prior, Rt Hon James
Clark, Sir William (Croydon South) Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Proctor, K. Harvey
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Raison, Timothy
Cockeram, Eric Kaberry, Sir Donald Rathbone, Tim
Colvin, Michael Kimball, Marcus Rees, Rt Hon Meriyn (Leeds South)
Cope, John King, Rt Hon Tom Rees-Davles, W. R.
Corrie, John Kltson, Sir Timothy Renton, Tim
Costain, A. P. Knight, Mrs. Jill Rhodes James, Robert
Critchley, Julian Knox, David Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Crouch, David Lamont, Norman Ridsdaie, julian
Dickens, Geoffrey Lang, Ian Rifkind Malcolm
Dorrell, Stephen Langford-Holt, Sir John Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Latham, Michael Roberts, Wyn (Conway)
Dover, Denshore Lawrence, Ivan Rost, Peter
du Cann, Rt Hon Edward Lawson, Nigel Royie, on Antony
Dunn, Robert (Dartford) Lee, John Sainsbury, Hon Timothy
Durant, Tony Lester, Jim (Beeston) Scott, Nicholas
Dykes, Hugh Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Eden, Rt Hon Sir John Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo) Shaw, Michael (Scarborough)
Edwards, Rt Hon N. (Pembroke) Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) Shelton, William (Streatham)
Eggar, Timothy Loveridge, John Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Elliott Sir William Luce, Richard Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge-Br'hills)
Emery, Peter Lyell, Nicholas Shersby, Michael
Fairgrieve, Russell McCrindle, Robert Silvester, Fred
Faith, Mrs Sheila Macfarlane, Nell Sims Roger
Farr, John MacGregor, John Skeet T.H.H.
Fell, Anthony MacKay, John (Argyll) Smith Dudley (War and Leam'ton)
Fermer, Mrs Peggy Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) Speed, Keith
Finsberg, Geoffrey McNair-Wilson, Michael (Newbury) Speller, Tony
Fisher, Sir Nigel McNair-Wilson, Patrick (New Forest) Spence, John
Fletcher, Alexander (Edinburgh N) McQuarrie, Albert Spicer, Michael (S Worcestershire)
Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Madel, David Sproat, Iain
Forman, Nigel Major, John Squire, Robin
Fox, Marcus Marland, Paul Stianton, Keith
Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St) Marlow, Tony Stanbrook, Ivor
Fraser Peter (South Angus) Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Stanley, John
Fry, Peter Marten, Neil (Banbury) Steen, Anthony
Galbraith, Hon T. G. D. Mates, Michael Stevens, Martin
Gardiner, George (Relgate) Mather, Carol Stewart lan (Hitchin)
Gardner, Edward (South Fylde) Maude, Rt Hon Angus Stewart, John (East Renfrewshire)
Garel-Jones, Tristan Mawby, Ray Stokes, John
Gilmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian Mawhlnney, Dr Brian Stradling Thomas, J.
Glyn, Dr. Alan Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Tapsell, Peter
Goodhew, Victor Mayhew, Patrick Taylor, Robert (Croydon NW)
Goodlad, Alastair Meiler, David Taylor Teddy (Southend East)
Gorst, John Meyer, Sir Anthony Tebbit, Norman
Gow Ian Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove & Redditch) Temple-Morris Peter
Gower, Sir Raymond Mills, lain (Meriden) Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret
Gray, Hamish Mlscampbell, Norman Thomas, Rt Hon Peter (Hendon S)
Greenway, Harry Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Thompson, Donald
Grieve, Percy Moate, Roger Thorne, Neil (Ilford South)
Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St Edmunds) Monro, Hector Thornton, Malcolm
Griffithe Peter (Portsmouth N) Montgomery, Fergus Townend, John (Bridlington)
Grist, Ian Moore, John Townsend, Cyril D. (Bexleyheath)
Grylls, Michael Morgan, Geraint Trippier, David
Gummer, John Selwyn Morris, Michael (Northampton, Sth) Trotter, Neville
Hamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll) Morrison, Hon Charles (Devizes) van Straubenzee, W. R.
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Morrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester) Vaughan, Dr Gerard
Viggers Peter
Hampson, Dr Keith Hannam, John Mudd, David Murphy, Christopher Waddlngton, David
Haselhurst, Alan Myles, David Wakeham, John
Waldegrave, Hon William
Hastings, Stephen Needham, Richard Walker, Bill (Perth & E Perthshire)
Havers, Rt Hon Sir Michael Nelson, Anthony Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek
Hawkins, Paul Neubert, Michael Wall, Patrick
Hawksley, Warren Newton, Tony Waller Gary
Hayhoe, Barney Nott, Rt Hon John waner, Gary
Heddle, John Onslow, Cranley Walters, Dennis
Henderson, Barry Oppenheim, Rt Hon Mrs Sally Ward, John
Heseltine. Rt Hon Michael Osborn, John Warren, Kenneth
Hicks, Robert Page, John (Harrow, West) Watson, John
Kfggins, Rt Hon Terence L. Page, Rt Hon Sir R. Graham Wells, John (Maidstone)
Wells, Bowen (Herl'rd & Stev'nage) Wilkinson, John Younger, Rt Hon George
Wheeler, John Williams, Delwyn (Montgomery)
Whitelaw, Rt Hon William Winterton, Nicholas TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Whitney, Raymond Wolf son, Mark Mr. Spencer Le Merchant and
Wickenden, Keith Young, Sir George (Acton) Mr. Anthony Berry.
Wiggin, Jerry

Question accordingly negatived.

Mr. Deputy Speaker (Mr. Richard Crawshaw)

As there are no other Government new clauses, we move to amendment No. 213.

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