HC Deb 14 March 1980 vol 980 cc1813-21

Amendment proposed: No. 90, in page 2, line 19, leave out from beginning to end of line 22 on page 3 and insert—

'(1) A person shall not be guilty of an offence under the law relating to abortion when a pregnancy is terminated by a registered medical practitioner if two registered medical practitioners are of the opinion, formed in good faith—

(a) that the termination is necessary to preserve the life or to prevent grave permanent

Division No. 224] AYES [1.26 pm
Abse, Leo Braine, Sir Bernard Cook, Robin F.
Allaun, Frank Bray, Dr Jeremy Cope, John
Alton, David Brinton, Tim Corrie, John
Ancram, Michael Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher Costain, A. P.
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Brooke, Hon Peter Cowans, Harry
Atkins, Robert (Preston North) Brotherton, Michael Craigen, J. M. (Glasgow, Maryhill)
Atkinson, David (B'mouth, East) Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Crowther, J. S.
Atkinson, Norman (H'gey, Tott'ham) Brown, Ronald W. (Hackney S) Cryer, Bob
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Brown, Ron (Edinburgh, Leith) Cunningham, George (Islington S)
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) Browne, John (Winchester) Davis, Clinton (Hackney Central)
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Buchan, Norman Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford)
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Burden, F. A. Deakins, Eric
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) Campbell-Savours, Dale Dempsey, James
Benyon, Thomas (Abingdon) Canavan, Dennis Dewar, Donald
Benyon, W. (Buckingham) Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Dixon, Donald
Berry, Hon Anthony Carmichael, Nell Dobson, Frank
Bevan, David Gilroy Cartwright, John Dormand, Jack
Bidwell, Sydney Chalker, Mrs. Lynda Douglas, Dick
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Clark, Sir William (Croydon South) Douglas-Mann, Bruce
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Clegg, Sir Walter Dover, Denshore
Boscawen, Hon Robert Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) Dubs, Alfred
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur (M'brough) Cohen, Stanley Dunn, Robert (Dartford)
Boyson, Dr Rhodes Conlan, Bernard Dunnett, Jack

injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; or

(b) that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.

(2) The opinion of two registered medical practitioners shall not be required for the purposes of subsection (1) of this section in any case where the registered medical practitioner terminating the pregnancy is of the opinion, formed in good faith that the termination is immediately necessary for any purpose mentioned in paragraph (a) of that subsection.

(3) Section 1(3) of this Act shall apply for the purposes of this section, except in a case within subsection (2) of this section.'.—[Mr. Carrie.)

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 263, Noes 4.

Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Lambie, David Roberts, Allan (Bootle)
Eadie, Alex Lamborn, Harry Roberts, Ernest (Hackney North)
Eastham, Ken Lang, Ian Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock)
Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) Leighton, Ronald Rooker, J. W.
Elliott, Sir William Litherland, Robert Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
English, Michael Loveridge, John Ross, Wm. (Londonderry)
Ennals, Rt Hon David Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson Rossi, Hugh
Evans, loan (Aberdare) McCusker, H. St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman
Evans, John (Newton) McDonald, Dr Oonagh Scott, Nicholas
Ewing, Harry McElhone, Frank Sever, John
Eyre, Reginald McGuire, Michael (Ince) Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert (A'ton-u-L)
Farr, John McKay, Allen (Penistone) Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Fenner, Mrs Peggy McKelvey, William Shersby, Michael
Field, Frank MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor Shore, Rt Hon Peter (Step and Pop>
Finsberg, Geoffrey McQuarrie, Albert Short, Mrs Renée
Fisher, Sir Nigel McWilliam, John Silkin, Rt Hon S.C. (Dulwich)
Fitt, Gerard Magee, Bryan Silverman, Julius
Flannery, Martin Maguire, Frank (Fermanagh) Silvester, Fred
Fletcher, L. R. (Ilkeston) Marland, Paul Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Marlow, Tony Soley, Clive
Fookes, Miss Janet Marshall, David (Gl'sgow,Shettles'n) Spearing, Nigel
Foot, Rt Hon Michael Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Spriggs, Leslie
Forman, Nigel Martin, Michael (Gl'gow Springb'rn) Squire, Robin
Forrester, John Mason, Rt Hon Roy Stainton, Keith
Foster, Derek Mates, Michael Stallard, A. W.
Fraser, John (Lambeth, Norwood) Maxton, John Stanbrook, Ivor
Fraser, Peter (South Angus) Maynard, Miss Joan Steen, Anthony
Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Mellor, David Stewart, John (East Renfrewshire)
Galbraith, Hon T. G. D. Mikardo, Ian Stoddart, David
Gardner, Edward (South Fylde) Miller, Dr M. S. (East Kilbride) Stradling Thomas, J.
Garel-Jones, Tristan Mitchell, Austin (Grimsby) Strang, Gavin
Garrett, John (Norwich S) Mitchell, R. c. (Soton, Itchen) Straw, Jack
George, Bruce Moate, Roger Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West)
Ginsburq, David Montgomery, Fergus Tebbit, Norman
Glyn, Dr Alan Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wythenshawe) Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Gorst, John Morris, Rt Hon John (Aberavon) Thomas, Rt Hon Peter (Hendon S)
Graham, Ted Morrison, Hon Charles (Devizes) Thomas, Dr Roger (Carmarthen)
Grant, George (Morpeth) Morrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester) Thorne, Nell (Ilford South)
Grant, John (Islington C) Morton, George Tilley, John
Greenway, Harry Moyle, Rt Hon Roland Tinn, James
Grieve, Percy Murphy, Christopher Trippier, David
Hamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll) Needham, Richard Urwin, Rt Hon Tom
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Neubert, Michael Viggers, Peter
Hardy, Peter Newens, Stanley Wakeham, John
Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Newton, Tony Walker, Rt Hon Harold (Doncaster)
Hart, Rt Hon Dame Judith Normanton, Tom Waller, Gary
Hawksley, Warren Ogden, Eric Ward, John
Hayhoe, Barney Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Weetch, Ken
Haynes, Frank Page, Rt Hon Sir R. Graham Wellbeloved, James
Healey, Rt Hon Denis Paisley, Rev Ian Wells, Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage)
Heffer, Eric S. Palmer, Arthur Welsh, Michael
Holland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall) Park, George Wheeler, John
Homewood, William Parris, Matthew White, James (Glasgow, Pollock)
Hooson, Tom Parry, Robert Whitlock, William
Huckfield, Les Patten, John (Oxford) Wickenden, Keith
Hunt, David (Wirral) Pavitt, Laurie Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Pawsey, James Winnick, David
John, Brynmor Pendry, Tom Winterton, Nicholas
Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Percival, Sir Ian Woolmer, Kenneth
Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald Powell, Raymond (Ogmore) Wright, Sheila
Kerr, Russell Race, Reg Young, Sir George (Acton)
Kilfedder, James A. Rathbone, Tim
Kilroy-Silk, Robert Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds South) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Knight, Mrs Jill Rhodes James, Robert Mr. Vivian Bendall and
Knox, David Richardson, Jo Mr. Ian Campbell.
NOES
Biggs-Davison, John
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen North)
Lyon, Alexander (York)
O'Neill, Martin
TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Mr. William Hamilton and
Mr. Stan Thorne.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Amendment proposed: No. 91, in page 3, line 27, leave out 'sections 1 to 1B' and insert 'sections 1 and 1A'.—[Mr. Corrie.]

Division No. 225] AYES [1.38 pm
Abse, Leo Field, Frank Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wythenshawe)
Allaun, Frank Finsberg, Geoffrey Morris, Rt Hon John (Aberavon)
Alton, David Fitt, Gerard Morrison, Hon Charles (Devizes)
Ancram, Michael Flannery, Martin Morrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester)
Archer, Rt Hon Pater Fletcher, L. R. (Ilkeston) Morton, George
Atkins, Robert (Preston North) Fookes, Miss Janet Moyle, Rt Hon Roland
Atkinson, Norman (H'gey, Tott'ham) Foot, Rt Hon Michael Murphy, Christopher
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Forman, Nigel Needham, Richard
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Forrester, John Neubert, Michael
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Foster, Derek Newens, Stanley
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Fraser, John (Lambeth, Norwood) Newton, Tony
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) Fraser, Peter (South Angus) Normanton, Tom
Benyon, Thomas (Abingdon) Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Ogden, Eric
Benyon, W. (Buckingham) Gardner, Edward (South Fylde) O'Neill, Martin
Berry, Hon Anthony Garel-Jones, Tristan Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Bevan, David Gilroy Garrett, John (Norwich S) Page, Rt Hon Sir R. Graham
Bidwell, Sydney George, Bruce Paisley, Rev Ian
Biggs-Davison, John Ginsburg, David Palmer, Arthur
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Glyn, Dr Alan Park, George
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Gorst, John Parris, Matthew
Boscawen, Hon Robert Graham, Ted Parry, Robert
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur (M'brough) Grant, John (Islington C) Patten, John (Oxford)
Boyson, Dr Rhodes Greenway, Harry Pavitt, Laurie
Braine, Sir Bernard Grieve, Percy Pawsey, James
Bray, Dr Jeremy Hamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll) Pendry, Tom
Brinton, Tim Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Percival, Sir Ian
Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher Hardy, Peter Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Brooke, Hon Peter Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Race, Reg
Brotherton, Michael Hart, Rt Hon Dame Judith Rathbone, Tim
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Hawksley, Warren Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds South)
Brown, Ronald W. (Hackney S) Haynes, Frank Rhodes, James, Robert
Brown, Ron (Edinburgh, Leith) Heifer, Eric S. Richardson, Jo
Browne, John (Winchester) Henderson, Barry Roberts, Allan (Bootle)
Buchan, Norman Holland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall) Roberts, Ernest (Hackney North)
Burden, F. A. Homewood, William Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock)
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P)
Campbell-Savours, Dale Hooson, Tom Rooker, J. W.
Canavan, Dennis Huckfield, Les Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen North) Rossi, Hugh
Carmichael, Neil Hunt, David (Wirral) Sandelson, Neville
Cartwright, John Johnson Smith, Geoffrey Sever, John
Chalker, Mrs Lynda Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert (A'ton-u-L)
Clark, Sir William (Croydon South) Kerr, Russell Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) Kilfedder, James A. Shersby, Michael
Cohen, Stanley Kilroy-Silk, Robert Shore, Rt Hon Peter (Step and Pop)
Conlan, Bernard Knox, David Short, Mrs Renée
Cook, Robin F. Lambie, David Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich)
Cope, John Lamborn, Harry Silverman, Julius
Corrie, John Lang, Ian Silvester, Fred
Costain, A P Leadbitter, Ted Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Cowans, Harry Litherland, Robert Soley, Clive
Craigen, J. M. (Glasgow, Maryhill) Loveridge, John Spearing, Nigel
Crowther, J. S. Lyell, Nicholas Spriggs, Leslie
Cryer, Bob McCusker, H. Squire, Robin
Davis, Clinton (Hackney Central) McDonald, Dr Oonagh Stailard, A. W.
Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford) McElhone, Frank Stanbrook, Ivor
Deakins, Eric McGuire, Michael (Ince) Steel, Rt Hon David
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) McKay, Allen (Penistone) Steen, Anthony
Dempsey, James McKelvey, William Stewart, John (East Renfrewshire)
Dewar, Donald MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor Stoddart, David
Dixon, Donald McQuarrie, Albert Stradling Thomas, J.
Dobson, Frank McWilliam, John Strang, Gavin
Dormand, Jack Maguire, Frank (Fermanagh) Straw, Jack
Douglas, Dick Marland, Paul Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West)
Dover, Denshore Marlow, Tony Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Dubs, Alfred Marshall, David (Gl'sgow.Sheities'n) Thomas, Rt Hon Peter (Hendon S)
Dunn, Robert (Dartford) Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Thomas, Dr Roger (Carmarthen)
Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Martin, Michael (Gl'gow, Springb'rn) Thorne, Neil (Ilford South)
Eadie, Alex Mates, Michael Tilley, John
Eastham, Ken Maxton, John Tinn, James
Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) Maynard, Miss Joan Trippier, David
English, Michael Mellor, David Urwin, Rt Hon Tom
Evans, loan (Aberdare) Mikardo, Ian Viggers, Peter
Evans, John (Newton) Miller, Dr M. S. (East Kilbride) Wakeham, John
Ewing, Harry Mitchell, Austin (Grimsby) Walker, Rt Hon Harold (Doncaster)
Farr, John Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) Waller, Garry
Fenner, Mrs Peggy Montgomery, Fergus Ward, John

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 245, Noes 2.

Weetch, Ken Whitlock, William Wright, Sheila
Wellbeloved, James Wickenden, Keith Young, Sir George (Acton)
Wells, Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage) Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Welsh, Michael Winnick, David TELLERS FOR THE AYES;
Wheeler, John Winterton, Nicholas Mr. Vivian Bendall and
White, James (Glasgow, Pollok) Woolmer, Kenneth Mr. Ian Campbell.
NOES
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset)
Grant, George (Morpeth)
TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Mr. William Hamilton and
Mr. Stan Thorne.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Amendment proposed: No. 92, in page 3, line 36, leave out lines 36 to 40.—[Mr. Corrie.]

Division No. 226] AYES [1.50 pm
Abse, Leo Dixon, Donald Knox, David
Allaun, Frank Dobson, Frank Lambie, David
Alton, David Dormand, Jack Lamborn, Harry
Ancram, Michael Douglas, Dick Leadbitter, Ted
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Dover, Denshore Leighton, Ronald
Atkins, Robert (Preston North) Dubs, Alfred Litherland, Robert
Atkinson, Norman (H'gay, Tott'ham) Dunn, Robert (Dartford) Lyell, Nicholas
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) Eadie, Alex McDonald, Dr Oonagh
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Eastham, Ken McElhone, Frank
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) McKay, Allen (Penistone)
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) English, Michael McKelvey, William
Benyon, Thomas (Abingdon) Evans, loan (Aberdare) MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor
Benyon, W. (Buckingham) Evans, John (Newton) McQuarrie, Albert
Berry, Hon Anthony Ewing, Harry McWilliam, John
Bevan, David Gilroy Eyre, Reginald Maguire, Frank (Fermanagh)
Biggs-Davison, John Farr, John Marland, Paul
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Fenner, Mrs Peggy Marlow, Tony
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Field, Frank Marshall, David (Gl'sgow.Shelties'n)
Boscawen, Hon Robert Finsberg, Geoffrey Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole)
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur (M'brough) Fitt, Gerard Martin, Michael (Gl'gow, Springb'rn)
Boyson, Dr Rhodes Flannery, Martin Mason, Rt Hon Roy
Braine, Sir Bernard Fletcher, L. R. (Ilkeston) Maxton, John
Bray, Dr Jeremy Foot, Rt Hon Michael Maynard, Miss Joan
Brinton, Tim Forman, Nigel Mellor, David
Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher Forrester, John Mikardo, Ian
Brooke, Hon Peter Foster, Derek Miller, Dr M. S. (East Kilbride)
Brotherton, Michael Fraser, John (Lambeth, Norwood) Mitchell, Austin (Grimsby)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Fraser, Peter (South Angus) Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen)
Brown, Ronald W. (Hackney S) Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Montgomery, Fergus
Brown, Ron (Edinburgh, Leith) Gardner, Edward (South Fylde) Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wythenshawe)
Browne, John (Winchester) Garel-Jones, Tristan Morris, Rt Hon John (Aberavon)
Buchan, Norman Garrett, John (Norwich S) Morrison, Hon Charles (Devizes)
Burden, F. A. George, Bruce Morrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester)
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Glyn, Dr Alan Morton, George
Campbell-Savours, Dale Gorst, John Moyle, Rt Hon Roland
Canavan, Dennis Graham, Ted Murphy, Christopher
Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Grant, George (Morpeth) Needham, Richard
Carmichael, Neil Grant, John (Islington C) Neubert, Michael
Cartwright, John Greenway, Harry Newens, Stanley
Chalker, Mrs Lynda Grieve, Percy Newton, Tony
Clark, Sir William (Croydon South) Hamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll) Normanton, Tom
Clegg, Sir Walter Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Ogden, Eric
Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) Hardy, Peter O'Neill, Martin
Cohen, Stanley Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Conlan, Bernard Hart, Rt Hon Dame Judith Page, Rt Hon Sir R. Graham
Cook, Robin F. Hawksley, Warren Paisley, Rev Ian
Cope, John Haynes, Frank Palmer, Arthur
Corrie, John Heffer, Eric S. Park, George
Costain, A.P. Henderson, Barry Parris, Matthew
Cowans, Harry Holland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall) Parry, Robert
Craigen, J. M. (Glasgow, Maryhill) Homewood, William Patten, John (Oxford)
Crowther, J. S. Hooson, Tom Pavitt, Laurie
Cryer, Bob Huckfield, Les Pawsey, James
Davis, Clinton (Hackney Central) Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen North) Pendry, Tom
Davis, Terry (B'rm'ham, Stechford) Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Percival, Sir Ian
Deakins, Eric Johnson Smith, Geoffrey Powell, Raymond (Ogmore)
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Race, Reg
Dempsey, James Kilfedder, James A. Rathbone, Tim
Dewar, Donald Kilroy-Silk, Robert Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds South)

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 239, Noes 3.

Renton, Tim Stallard, A. W. Walker, Rt Hon Harold (Doncaster)
Roberts, Allan (Bootle) Stanbrook, Ivor Waller, Garry
Roberts, Ernest (Hackney North) Steel, Rt Hon David Ward, John
Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) Steen, Anthony Weetch, Ken
Rooker, J. W. Stewart, John (East Renfrewshire) Wellbeloved, James
Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) Stoddart, David Wells, Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage)
Rossi, Hugh Stradling Thomas, J. Welsh, Michael
St. John-Stevas, Rt Hon Norman Strang, Gavin Wheeler, John
Sandelson, Neville Straw, Jack Whitlock, William
Sever, John Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West) Wickenden, Keith
Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert (A'ton-u-L) Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Shepherd, Colin (Hereford) Thomas, Rt Hon Peter (Hendon S) Winnick, David
Shore, Rt Hon Peter (Step and Pop) Thomas, Dr Roger (Carmarthen) Winterton, Nicholas
Short, Mrs Renée Thorne, Neil (Ilford South) Woolmer, Kenneth
Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) Tilley, John Wright, Sheila
Silverman, Julius Tinn, James Young, Sir George (Acton)
Silvester, Fred Trippier, David
Smith, Cyril (Rochdale) Urwin, Rt Hon Tom TELLERS FOR THE A y
Soley, Clive Viggers, Peter Mr. Ian Campbell and
Spriggs, Leslie Wakeham, John Mr. Vivian Bendall
Squire, Robin
NOES
Bidwell, Sydney
Lyon, Alexander (York)
Richardson, Jo
TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
M.. William Hamilton and
Mr. Stan Thorne

Question accordingly agreed to.

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