HC Deb 12 February 1980 vol 978 cc1400-10 9.45 pm
Mr. Kinnock

I beg to move amendment No. 7 in page 6, line 25, at end insert 'in that authority or any other authority'.

Mr. Deputy Speaker

With this we may take the following amendments:

No. 8, in page 6, line 35, at end add 'or— '(d) if compliance with the preference would prejudice the provision of efficient education of another child, who lived nearer that school.

No. 9, in page 6, line 35, at end insert '(d) if compliance with the preference would be incompatible with the arrangements for admission to schools in the authority which are not based wholly or partially on selection by reference to ability or aptitude'.

No. 10, in page 6, line 35, at end insert— '(d) if compliance with the preference would prejudice the provision of efficient education of another child'.

No. 11, in page 7, line 1, leave out subsection (5) and insert— '(5) In the event of a local education authority not complying with subsection (2) above by virtue of the provisions of subsection (3)(c) above, the local education authority shall explain to the parent in writing the reasons why the preference cannot be complied with.'.

No. 12, in page 7, leave out lines 4 to 6.

No. 114, in clause 13, page 13, line 37, at end insert— '(2) The rights and duties of subsection (1) above do not apply if compliance with the proposals of any person or governor of a school would prejudice the provision of efficient education or the efficient use of resources or the arrangements for admission to a proposed school or existing school are based wholly or partly on selection by reference to ability or aptitude.'.

Mr. Kinnock

Clause 6, which we are now discussing, concerns the fulfilment of parental preferences. As we noted in Committee, there is no difference in principle between the attitudes held by the two sides of the House towards the desirability of parents having preferences, expressing preferences and wherever possible, having those preferences fulfilled. However, the Bill sets down limitations which can be exercised by local education authorities.

This series of amendments would make the limitations more specific and would require that a local education authority had regard to matters which are not as yet included in the Bill. For example, amendment No. 7 would require that the local education authority should not have to meet the preference expressed by a parent if the compliance with that preference would prejudice the provision of efficient education or the efficient use of resources in that authority or any other authority. This is in anticipation of the circumstances which could arise as a consequence of the implementation of a later part of the Bill—the provision that has been made for the recoupment of costs between different local education authorities.

This and other aspects of the amendments are intended to ensure that where a parent expresses a preference it is a preference that is based upon a calculation of the educational amenities and opportunities that are available to that parent's children in the area in which they live. It should be in fulfilment of an educational desire for the future of that child, and should riot be employed as a means of hopping from one area to another or from one school to another. For reasons either of commendable interest in their children or, in some cases. because of a misbegotten interpretation of what schools in the area offer, well advantaged or highly articulate parents sometimes abuse the right of preference.

The Government should have no difficulty in accepting that amendment, because it simply expands and defines the restraint which they have already sought to impose by means of the wording of the Bill.

Mr. Spearing

I agree that clauses 1 to 6 are similar to those contained in a previous Bill, but does not my hon. Friend agree that the effect of removing the requirement of an educational plan which measured efficiency of education and efficient use of resources, is that those clauses will be very different from what they would have been in the previous Bill?

Mr. Kinnock

I am happy to draw to the attention of the House the new clause which in happier circumstances, and without the guillotine, my hon. Friend would have moved. It is a sort of "War and Peace" new clause in that it continues for two whole sides of closely packed writing. It is an admirable use of the amendment paper, as well as an admirable exercise in Back Bench capacity. It would have been an admirable addition to the Bill, if we had had the opportunity of debating it.

Clause 6, in the right hands, dedicated to the advancement of educational opportunities and the fulfilment of educational preferences, set against the background of the educational plan in the new clause, is an excellent idea. In other hands, set against the background of a Bill that in many other respects provides special advantages for parents who are well able—becauseof their individual material advantages, or the advantages of their own education—to use the Bill to depart from the general non-selective provision in an area, is a different prospect altogether.

We tabled amendment No. 9 to ensure that, if compliance with the preference is incompatible with arrangements for admissions to schools in the authority area, which are not based wholly or partly on selection by reference to ability or attitude, the preference need not be met. We seek to protect the non-selective provision in a particular local education authority area. The great danger arises, especially with the changes that are made in clauses 12 and 13, that schools can be set up. The use of schools can be changed to make a comprehensive, non-selective secondary education system in an area almost totally unworkable by ensuring that within that generally nonselective provision schools can be created that are either selective by tests of ability or attitude, or even, which is much worse in many ways, socially selective on the basis of the taste and not the educational preferences of parents. We see an illustration of that hovering on the horizon. I refer to the Twyford School in Ealing. The danger is that that could become an epidemic throughout many local education authorities. If the Government accepted the additional restraint upon the expression of preferences, the possibility of that occurring would be much smaller. The possibility of maintaining a non-selective pattern of secondary education, which is wholly desirable to the House, would be that much stronger.

I urge the Minister to give sympathetic consideration to this proposition. He recognises—although few Government supporters might agree with him—that, if the comprehensive system is required to live cheek by jowl, side by side, with the selective system, the comprehensive schools become the latter-day equivalent of the secondary modern schools, which no longer exist in many areas. Whatever the aspirations of the Minister to academic excellence—or whatever criteria he employs in the judgment of a school—he would not want the barrel of healthy, green, non-selective apples to be poisoned by the deposit of a rotten selective apple. I hope that he will take the advantage offered by this amendment to ensure that that is avoided.

The next amendment seeks to include a principle of which the Opposition are proud and one which we gladly espouse. I refer to the principle of the neighbourhood school. The shortcomings of neighbourhood schools are attributable largely to the failure, mainly of the Government—having acknowledged the afflictions that some neighbourhood schools in some, especially disadvantaged neighbourhoods experience—to compensate for such disadvantages and to solve the educational problems in those areas.

Apart from those difficulties, the whole idea of the neighbourhood school is laudable. In the overwhelming majority of communities the neighbourhood school is well-established and unexceptionable. It is welcomed and depended on by the community. It is respected and recognised by the community and used for its proper educational and social purposes. It is in areas where there is a diversity of provision, where there is a proximity of secondary schools and secondary provision, that the problem of the neighbourhood school and enmity towards it arises. That should present a challenge. The Government should seek not to avoid the problem but to recognise and move to meet it.

In asking in amendment No. 10 that the preference be restrained if compliance with it would prejudice the provision of efficient education for another child, we are seeking to prevent the creaming off and the mobility that can diminish and possibly destroy the proper provision of education for children whose parents either cannot or will not shift them around between schools.

Amendment No. 11 requires that, in the event of a local education authority not complying with a preference expressed by a parent by virtue of the provisions of subsection (3)(c), because there is a selective secondary school system in its area, that local education authority shall explain to the parents in writing the reasons why the preference cannot be compiled with.

If local education authorities still have selection at the age of 11 for secondary schools, or might take advantage of the Education (No. 1) Bill or this Bill, if a permissive Government give favourable regard to the reinstitution of 11-plus examinations, we want those authorities to provide an explanation to the parents of why a child has not been successful in those selection tests. Notices appear in newspapers, there are letters from directors of education, and announcements are made in school assembly, but no attempt is made to explain to parents that it is the upholding of this deluded system of selection and testing that has meant that some children at the age of 11 are regarded as successes and some as failures.

Local authorities should be faced with the prospect of having a duty to make that explanation to the parents of children who have not been successful in those examinations and to explain why the parents' preference cannot be met. That duty should be imposed on them so that they have to justify their adherence to the educationally insupportable practice of selection by examination at the age of 11.

Dr. Boyson

I recommend my hon. Friends to resist the amendment. It would limit the parental choice, about which we are very concerned, that is built into the early clauses.

On amendment No. 7, a choice must be made without affecting the efficient use of resources in the local authority area in which that choice is made. Acceptance of the amendment would mean that the efficient use of resources would have to be considered in that authority or in any other authority. If a child who lived on the border between authority A or authority B wanted to go to a school in the area of authority B, before that authority could accept the child it would have to

check with authority A that acceptance of the child would not affect the efficient use of resources there. The amendment would import a limitation, massive bureaucracy and a huge abuse of expenditure which we would not wish.

The battle on recoupment tomorrow evening will be exciting, and many of us look forward to it. In North-West London and other areas the question of automatic recoupment, so that there can be movement between schools that were built before the new boundaries were made, is something that parents want. We do not want any limitation on that.

Amendment No. 8 deals with neighbourhood schools. We should all like to see these schools working, but we also know the limitations of neighbourhood schools in many areas of our cities at present—

It being Ten o'clock, Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER proceeded, pursuant to the Order [29 January] and the resolution this day, to put forthwith the Question already proposed from the Chair.

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 242, Noes 315.

Division No. 174] AYES [10 pm
Abse, Leo Conlan, Bernard Field, Frank
Adams, Allen Cook, Robin F. Fitch, Alan
Allaun, Frank Cowans, Harry Flannery, Martin
Anderson, Donald Cox, Tom (Wandsworth, Tooting) Fletcher, Ted (Darlington)
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Craigen, J. M. (Glasgow, Maryhill) Foot, Rt Hon Michael
Armstrong, Rt Hon Ernest Crowther, J. S. Forrester, John
Ashley, Rt Hon Jack Cryer, Bob Foster Derek
Ashton, Joe Cunliffe, Lawrence Foulkes, George
Atkinson, Norman (H'gey, Tott'ham) Cunningham, George (Islington S) Fraser, John (Lambeth, Norwood)
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Cunningham, Dr John (Whitehaven) Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) Dalyell, Tam Garrett, John (Norwich S)
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Davidson, Arthur Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend)
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Davies, Rt Hon Denzil (Lianelll) George, Bruce
Bidwell, Sydney Davies, I for (Gower) Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Davis, Clinton (Hackney Central) Ginsburg, David
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Deakins, Eric Golding, John
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur (M'brough) Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) Gourlay, Harry
Bradley, Tom Dempsey, James Graham, Ted
Bray, Dr Jeremy Dewar, Donald Grant, George (Morpeth)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Dixon, Donald Grant, John (Islington C)
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Dobson, Frank Hamilton, James (Bothwell)
Brown, Ronald W. (Hackney S) Dormand, Jack Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife)
Brown, Ron (Edinburgh, Leith) Douglas, Dick Harrison, Rt Hon Walter
Buchan, Norman Douglas-Mann, Bruce Hart, Rt Hon Dame Judith
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Duffy, A.. E. P. Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy
Campbell, Ian Dunn, James A. (Liverpool, Kirkdale) Haynes, Frank
Campbell-Savours, Dale Eadie, Alex Heffer, Eric S.
Canavan, Dennis Eastham, Ken Hogg, Norman (E Dunbartonshire);
Cant, R. B. Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) Holland, Stuart (L'beth, Vauxhall)
Carmichael, Neil Ellis, Raymond (NE Derbyshire) Home Robertson, John
Carter-Jones, Lewis Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) Homewood, William
Cartwright, John English, Michael Hooley, Frank
Clark, Dr David (South Shields) Ennals, Rt Hon David Horam, John
Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) Huckfield, Les
Cohen, Stanley Evans John (Newton) Hughes, Mark (Durham)
Coleman, Donald Ewing, Harry Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen North)
Concannon, Rt Hon I. D. Faulds, Andrew Hughes, Roy (Newport)
Janner, Hon Greville Millan, Rt Hon Bruce Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich)
Jay, Rt Hon Douglas Miller, Dr M. S. (East Kilbride) Silverman, Julius
John, Brynmor Mitchell, Austin (Grimsby) Smith, Rt Hon J. (North Lanarkshire)
Johnson, Walter (Derby South) Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) Soley, Clive
Jones, Barry (East Flint) Morris, Rt Hon Alfred (Wythenshawe) Spearing, Nigel
Jones, Dan (Burnley) Morris, Rt Hon Charles (Openshaw) Spriggs, Leslie
Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald Morris, Rt Hon John (Aberavon) Stallard, A. W.
Kerr, Russell Morton, George Stoddart, David
Kilroy-Silk, Robert Moyle, Rt Hon Roland Stott, Roger
Kinnock, Neil Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick Strang, Gavin
Lambie, David Newens, Stanley Straw, Jack
Lamborn, Harry Oakes, Rt Hon Gordon Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Lamond, James Ogden, Eric Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton West)
Leadbitter, Ted O'Halloran, Michael Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Leighton, Ronald O'Neill, Martin Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Lest or, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Thomas, Mike (Newcastle East)
Lewis, Arthur (Newham North West) Owen, Rt Hon Dr David Thomas, Dr Roger (Carmarthen)
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Palmer, Arthur Thorne, Stan (Preston South)
Litherland, Robert Park, George Tilley, John
Lofthouse, Geoffrey Parker, John Torney, Tom
Lyon, Alexander (York) Parry, Robert Urwin, Rt Hon Tom
Lyons, Edward (Bradford West) Pavitt, Laurie Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson Pendry, Tom Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
McCartney, Hugh Powell, Raymond (Ogmore) Walker, Rt Hon Harold (Doncaster)
McDonald, Dr Oonagh Prescott, John Weetch, Ken
McElhone, Frank Price, Christopher (Lewisham West) Wellbeloved, James
McKay, Allen (Penistone) Race, Reg Welsh, Michael
McKelvey, William Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds South) White, Frank R. (Bury & Radcliffe)
MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor Richardson, Jo White, James (Glasgow, Pollok)
Maclennan, Robert Roberts, Allan (Bootle) Whitehead, Phillip
McMahon, Andrew Roberts, Ernest (Hackney North) Whitlock, William
McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, Central) Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) Wigley, Dafydd
McNally, Thomas Robertson, George Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
McNamara, Kevin Robinson, Geoffrey (Coventry NW) Williams, Rt Hon Alan (Swansea W)
McWilliam, John Rodgers, Rt Hon William Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Magee, Bryan Rooker, J. W. Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Marks, Kenneth Roper, John Winnick, David
Marshall, David (Gl'sgow, Shettles'n) Ross, Ernest(Dundee West) Woodall, Alec
Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Rowlands, Ted Wrigglesworth, Ian
Marshall, Jim (Leicester South) Ryman, John Wright, Sheila
Martin, Michael (Gl'gow, Springb'rn) Sandelson, Neville Young, David (Bolton East)
Maxton, John Sever, John
Maynard, Miss Joan Sheerman, Barry TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Meacher, Michael Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert (A'ton-u-L) Mr. Terry Davis and
Mikardo, Ian Short, Mrs Renée Mr. James Tinn.
Adley, Robert Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher Dunn, Robert (Dartford)
Aitken, Jonathan Brooke, Hon Peter Durant, Tony
Alexander, Richard Brotherton, Michael Dykes, Hugh
Alton, David Brown, Michael (Brigg & Sc'thorpe) Eden, Rt Hon Sir John
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Browne, John (Winchester) Eggar, Timothy
Ancram, Michael Bruce-Gardyne, John Elliott, Sir William
Arnold, Tom Bryan, Sir Paul Emery, Peter
Aspinwall, Jack Buck, Antony Fairbairn, Nicholas
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Budgen, Nick Fairorieve, Russell
Atkins, Robert (Preston North) Bulmer, Esmond Faith, Mrs Sheila
Atkinson, David (B'mouth, East) Burden, F. A. Farr, John
Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) Butcher, John Fell, Anthony
Baker, Nicholas (North Dorset) Butler, Hon Adam Fenner, Mrs Peggy
Banks, Robert Cadbury, Jocelyn Finsberg, Geoffrey
Beaumont-Dark, Anthony Carlisle, John (Luton West) Fisher, Sir Nigel
Beith, A. J. Carlisle, Kenneth (Lincoln) Fletcher, Alexander (Edinburgh N)
Bell, Sir Ronald Carlisle, Rt Hon Mark (Runcorn) Fletcher-Cooke, Charles
Bendall, Vivian Chalker, Mrs Lynda Fookes, Miss Janet
Benyon, Thomas (Abingdon) Channon, Paul Forman, Nigel
Benyon, W. (Buckingham) Chapman, Sydney Fowler, Rt Hon Norman
Best, Keith Clark, Hon Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) Fox, Marcus
Bevan, David Gilroy Clark, Sir William (Croydon South) Fraser, Peter (South Angus)
Biffen, Rt Hon John Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Freud, Clement
Biggs-Davison, John Cockeram, Eric Fry, Peter
Blackburn, John Colvin, Michael Galbraith, Hon T. G. D.
Blaker, Peter Cope, John Gardiner George (Reigate)
Body, Richard Cormack, Patrick Gardner, Edward (South Fylde)
Bonsor, Sir Nicholas Corrie, John Garel-Jones, Tristan
Boscawen, Hon Robert Costain, A. P. Gllmour, Rt Hon Sir Ian
Bottomley, Peter (Woolwich West) Cranborne, Viscount Glyn, Dr Alan
Bowden, Andrew Critchley, Julian Goodlad, Alastair
Boyson, Dr Rhodes Crouch, David Gorst, John
Bradford, Rev. R. Dean, Paul (North Somerset) Gow, Ian
Braine, Sir Bernard Dickens, Geoffrey Gower, Sir Raymond
Bright, Graham Dorrell, Stephen Grant, Anthony (Harrow C)
Brinton, Tim Dover, Denshore Gray, Hamish
Brittan, Leon du Cann, Rt Hon Edward Greenway, Harry
Grieve, Percy Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St Edmunds) Marten, Neil (Banbury) Shelton, William (Streatham)
Griffiths, Peter (Portsmouth N) Mates, Michael Shepherd, Colin (Hereford)
Grimond, Rt Hon J. Mather, Carol Shepherd, Richard (Aldridge-Br'hills)
Grist, Ian Maude, Rt Hon Angus Shersby, Michael
Grylls, Michael Mawby, Ray Silvester, Fred
Gummer, John Selwyn Mawhinney, Dr Brian Sims, Roger
Hamilton, Hon Archie (Eps'm&Ew'll) Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Skeet, T. H. H.
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Mayhew, Patrick Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Hampson Dr Keith Mellor, David Smith, Dudley (War, and Leam'ton)
Hannam,John Meyer, Sir Anthony Speed, Keith
Haselhurst, Alan Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove & Redditch) Speller, Tony
Hastings, Stephen Mills, Iain (Meriden) Spence, John
Hawksley, Warren Mills, Peter (West Devon) Spicer, Jim (West Dorset)
Hayhoe Barney Miscampbell, Norman Spicer, Michael (S Worcestershire)
Heddle, John Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Sproat, Iain
Henderson, Barry Moate, Roger Squire, Robin
Haseltine, Rt Hon Michael Molyneaux, James Stainton, Keith
Hicks, Robert Monro, Hector Stanbrook, Ivor
Higgins, Rt Hon Terence L. Montgomery, Fergus Stanley, John
Hill, James Moore, John Steel, Rt Hon David
Hogg, Hon Douglas (Grantham) Morris, Michael (Northampton, Sth) Steen, Anthony
Holland, Philip (Carlton) Morrison, Hon Charles (Devizes) Stevens, Martin
Hooson, Tom Morrison, Hon Peter (City of Chester) Stewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Hordern, Peter Mudd, David Stewart, John (East Renfrewshire)
Howell, Rt Hon David (Guildford) Murphy, Christopher Stokes, John
Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) Myles, David Stradling Thomas, J.
Hunt, David (Wirral) Neale, Gerrard Tapsell, Peter
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Needham, Richard Taylor, Robert (Croydon NW)
Hurd, Hon Douglas Nelson, Anthony Tebbit, Norman
Irvine, Charles (Cheltenham) Neubert, Michael Temple-Morris, Peter
Jenkin, Rt Hon Patrick Newton, Tony Thatcher, Rt Hon Mrs Margaret
Johnson Smith, Geoffrey Onslow, Cranley Thomas, Rt Hon Peter (Hendon S)
Johnston, Russell (Iverness) Osborn, John Thompson, Donald
Jopling, Rt Hon Michael Page, John (Harrow, West) Thorne, Neil (Ilford South)
Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Page, Rt Hon Sir R. Graham Thornton, Malcolm
Kaberry, Sir Donald Page, Richard (SW Hertfordshire) Townend, John (Bridlington)
Kershaw, Anthony Parkinson, Cecil Townsend, Cyril D. (Bexleyheath)
Kimball, Marcus Parris, Matthew Trippier, David
King, Rt Hon Tom Patten, Christopher (Bath) Trotter, Neville
Kitson, Sir Timothy Patten, John (Oxford) van Straubenzee, W. R.
Knight, Mrs Jill Pattie, Geoffrey Vaughan, Dr Gerard
Knox David Pawsey, James Viggers, Peter
Lamont, Norman Penhaligon, David Waddington, David
Lang, Ian Percival, Sir Ian Wakeham, John
Langford-Holt, Sir John Peyton, Rt Hon John Waldegrave, Hon William
Latham, Michael Pink, R. Bonner Walker, Bill (Perth & E Perthshire)
Lawrence, Ivan Pollock, Alexander Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek
Lawson, Nigel Porter, George Waller, Gary
Lee, John Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch (S Down) Wallers, Dennis
Le Merchant, Spencer Prentice, Rt Hon Reg Ward, John
Lennox-Boyd, Hon Mark Price, David (Eastleigh) Warren, Kenneth
Lester, Jim (Beeston) Prior, Rt Hon James Watson, John
Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Proctor, K. Harvey Wells, John (Maidstone)
Lloyd, Ian (Havant & Waterloo) Raison, Timothy Wells, Bowen (Hert'rd & Stev'nage)
Lloyd, Peter (Fareham) Rathbone, Tim Wheeler, John
Loveridge, John Rees, Peter (Dover and Deal) Whitney, Raymond
Luce, Richard Rees-Davies, W. R. Wickenden, Keith
Lyell, Nicholas Renton, Tim Wiggin, Jerry
McCrindle, Robert Rhodes James, Robert Wilkinson, John
McCusker, H. Ridsdale, Julian Williams, Delwyn (Montgomery)
Macfarlane, Neil Rifkind, Malcolm Winterton, Nicholas
MacKay, John (Argyll) Roberts, Wyn (Conway) Wolfson, Mark
McNair-Wilson, Michael (Newbury) Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) Young, Sir George (Acton)
McNair-Wilson, Patrick (New Forest) Ross, Wm. (Londonderry) Younger, Rt Hon George
McQuarrie, Albert Rost, Peter
Madel, David Royle, Sir Anthony TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Major, John Sainsbury, Hon Timothy Mr. John MacGregor and
Marland, Paul St. John Stevas, Rt Hon Norman Lord James Douglas-Hamilton
Marlow, Tony

Question accordingly negatived.

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