§ 12. Mr. van Straubenzeeasked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he plans any further talks with the Spanish Government as to the future of Gibraltar.
§ Dr. OwenI look forward to the resumption of talks once the new Spanish Government have taken office.
§ Mr. van StraubenzeeMeanwhile, will the Foreign Secretary make perfectly clear that, no matter how attractive the prospect of the addition of Spain to the European Community may be, Her Majesty's Government will take no steps which override the majority wishes of the loyal people of Gibraltar?
§ Dr. OwenI have always made that clear in my discussions with the Spanish Foreign Minister. In fairness, tribute must be paid to him that he has been ready to accede that the Chief Minister and the Leader of the Opposition should accompany me at all these discussions. We have been making it very clear to the 1484 Gibraltarian people that nothing will be done behind their backs.
§ Mr. FarrAs the people of Gibraltar have repeatedly made clear that they wish to have no change in their close association with Britain, will the right hon. Gentleman say what is the point of continuing these talks?
§ Dr. OwenI think that many Gibraltarians are prepared to see discussions take place to change the present position, under which they are prevented from communicating and travelling. They are not prepared to bargain this away, but if a dialogue—not negotiations—and discussions can help to lift those sanctions and to lift those measures, that is in the interests of Gibraltar. It is also in the interests of Gibraltar that these difficulties and differences of opinion with its closest neighbour should be resolved, so there is no harm whatever in discussing these issues. There is potentially great benefit.
§ Mr. Raphael TuckHas no pressure at all been put on the Spanish Government to modify their attitude towards Gibraltar? Could not a carrot—and a stick, perhaps—be used in regard to Spain's admission to the EEC?
§ Dr. OwenI do not think that a direct linkage would be helpful, but it is a perfectly known fact that the other member States expect us to have resolved our problems with Spain over Gibraltar before Spanish entry. It is in that spirit that the Spanish and British Governments are approaching these discussions.