Commuters

HC Deb 21 February 1979 vol 963 cc396-7

2. Mr. McCrindle

asked the Secretary of State for Transport what recent discussions he has had with bodies representing commuters.

Mr. Horam

None just recently. British Rail, of course, has frequent contact with local commuter associations.

Mr. McCrindle

Commuters have probably suffered more than most from recent industrial disputes. Will the Minister intercede on their behalf in an attempt to make it possible that, on days when there are no British Rail services, season tickets can be used on comparable stretches of the London Underground services? Is the Minister aware that ASLEF is opposed to that suggestion on the basis that it would be strike-breaking by London Underground drivers? As intercession appears necessary, will the Minister undertake it, because I am told that British Rail approves of the idea?

Mr. Horam

I foresee complications in pursuing such a course. However, it is an interesting suggestion and I should like to examine it more carefully.

Mr. Newens

Will my hon. Friend keep his eye on the discussions taking place between his Department and the various authorities that are concerned in determining where the public financial support will come from to keep open the Epping Ongar section of the central line? Many commuters depend on that section, both those in the constituency of the hon. Member for Brentwood and Ongar (Mr. McCrindle) and those in my constituency. Is the Minister aware that many of those constituents are concerned because of the delay in resolving the matter?

Mr. Horam

My hon. Friend was present at a meeting that was also attended by Opposition Members. There is a problem with the out-county services—London Transport services operating beyond the borders of the GLC. Machinery has been set up for discussions with the counties concerned—Hertfordshire, Buckinghamshire and Essex. That is making reasonable progress. However, I shall watch it carefully to ensure that there will be results soon.

Mr. Moate

Does the Under-Secretary of State recognise the extent to which the commuter has suffered during recent industrial unrest from cancellations, disruptions and delays and the recent fare increase? Does he recognise that there is a limit to how much the commuter can stand in deteriorating services and rising fares without British Rail suffering long-term damage from the loss of revenue and diminution of passenger traffic?

Mr. Horam

I recognise and agree with the hon. Gentleman's point, which causes my right hon. Friend and myself considerable concern.