§ 2. Mr. Arnoldasked the Secretary of State for Defence when he expects to enter into negotiations for the sale of the Harrier aircraft to China.
§ 7. Mr. Flanneryasked the Secretary of State for Defence if the sale of Hawker jump jet planes to the People's Republic of China is to go ahead; and if he will make a statement.
§ Mr. MulleyNegotiations between British Aerospace and the Chinese authorities have already begun. Whether or not the sale goes ahead will depend on the outcome of these negotiations.
§ Mr. ArnoldYes, but what precise timetable does the Secretary of State envisage for the completion of these negotiations? On the last occasion when we had defence questions, he seemed to imply to my hon. Friend the Member for Christchurch and Lymington (Mr. Adley) that the sale of the Harriers to China was in some measure dependent upon the sale of civil aircraft, and probably on other 936 projects as well. Will the Secretary of State confirm whether this is the case?
§ Mr. MulleyI cannot, obviously, give a date when the negotiations could be completed, because there are two parties to the negotiations. Since it has been dealt with by British Aerospace, I am not fully apprised of all the issues that may arise. But it is clear—and my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister has made it clear—that we do not wish simply to sell arms to China but want this to be part of a wider trade relationship.
§ Mr. FlanneryWill my right hon. Friend tell the House whether our decision is definitely to sell Harrier jump jets to China? Are we taking into account the question of detente and the fact that this could spell—[Interruption.]—Will my right hon. Friend accept from me that Conservative Members are not bothered about detente but that Labour Members are bothered about it? Will my right hon. Friend try to read Victor Zorza's article in The Guardian of a fortnight ago, in which it was pointed out that there is undoubtedly an approaching detente between the Soviet Union and China, and take this into account?
§ Mr. MulleyI would not recommend the sale of Harrier if I thought for a moment that this would be disadvantageous to the development of detente, which I believe hon. Members in all parts of the House would wish to see develop. In particular, I think it would be quite wrong if this could be prejudicial to SALT II, but there is no indication whatever that such a sale would have that effect.
§ Mr. TownsendWould the Secretary of State be in favour, as part of a wider agreement, and in order to improve relations with China, of Britain's becoming involved in improving China's tank army?
§ Mr. MulleyWe have had no request to provide tanks to China and I think that there would be substantial difficulties about that propostion.
§ Mr. MacFarquharWill my right hon. Friend say what the value of the proposed Harrier contract is likely to be?
§ Mr. MulleyI cannot, because it depends on various factors, such as numbers, delivery dates, and so on, which 937 are currently under negotiation. It would not be very helpful to British Aerospace, in its negotiations as to price, if I were to make a public utterance now as to the expected value.
§ Mr. PattieHave the Government yet had discussions with the unions at Kingston, Dunsfold and Filton about the desirability of selling Harriers to China?
§ Mr. MulleyI have not had any such discussions myself, but I have no reason to suppose that there would be opposition from that quarter.