HC Deb 02 March 1978 vol 945 cc650-1
11. Mr. Mayhew

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is satisfied with the prospect for reducing overcrowding in local prisons in 1978–79.

Mr. John

The prison population, which is at present over 41,500, shows no sign of falling, and overcrowding, particularly in local prisons, is a matter of continuing concern. I hope that some relief will be afforded by building schemes already in progress which are expected to provide 4,700 extra places by 1981–82, but much will depend before then on the level of crime and the sentencing practice of the courts.

Mr. Mayhew

Is not the worst overcrowding in the prison system to be found at local prisons? Even on the Government's reduced plans for an increase in the number of places, is it not the case that serious overcrowding will continue? If the Minister agrees that overcrowding on that scale is bad for prison staff, for the management of the inmates and even for the prison buildings, surely he must recognise that the Government's plans are grossly inadequate.

Mr. John

The hon. and learned Gentleman will know that we do not shirk from the fact that overcrowding is a serious matter for the prison staff and the prisoners. He will know that I announced the procedure in Wymolt, which is a short-term prison, which will provide 800 places. However, on our plans the overcrowding will be cut by one-third during the time scale that I have mentioned.

Mr. Christopher Price

Will my hon. Friend investigate the case of Mr. Twigger, who the other day spent his ninetieth birthday in Parkhurst? Is he aware that it is hardly the mark of a civilised country to keep 90-year-olds in gaol? Will he have another look at the case?

Mr. John

Mr. Twigger was convicted of murder and attempted murder at the age of 88. I have considered the case, and my hon. Friend will already have had a reply or will shortly be having one. Serious crimes in this sort of age group pose problems that are not usual.