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Lords amendment: No. 196, in page 87, line 9, leave out from beginning to ("may") in line 10 and insert
("No sum shall be charged on the Consolidated Fund whether by Order in Council under this Schedule or otherwise for the purposes of the referendum, save that an Order in Council")
§ Motion made, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said amendment.—[Mr. John Smith.]
§ Question put forthwith:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 164, Noes 137.
963| Division No. 304] | AYES | [12.13 a.m. |
| Anderson, Donald | Ginsburg, David | Oakes, Gordon |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Golding, John | Ogden, Eric |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Gould, Bryan | O'Halloran, Michael |
| Ashton, Joe | Graham, Ted | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Bain, Mrs Margaret | Grant, John (Isington C) | Ovenden, John |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | Owen, Rt Hon Dr David |
| Barnett, Rt Hon Joel(Heywood) | Hardy, Peter | Palmer, Arthur |
| Bates, Alt | Harrison, Rt Hon Walter | Park, George |
| Bean, R. E. | Hart, Rt Hon Judith | Pavitt, Laurie |
| Beith, A. J. | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Prescott, John |
| Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood | Havman, Mrs Helene | Price, C. (Lewisham W) |
| Bishop, Rt Hon Edward | Heffer, Eric S. | Price, William (Rugby) |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Hooson, Emlyn | Radice, Giles |
| Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Horam, John | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) |
| Buchan, Norman | Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) | Richardson, Miss Jo |
| Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) | Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) | Roderick, Caerwyn |
| Canavan, Dennis | Huckfield, Les | Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton) |
| Carter, Ray | Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
| Cartwright, John | Hughes, Roy (Newport) | Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock) |
| Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) | Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford) | Rowlands, Ted |
| Concannon, Rt Hon John | Janner, Greville | Sandelson, Neville |
| Corbett, Robin | Jay, Rt Hon Douglas | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Cox, Thomas (Testing) | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Cronin, John | John, Brynmor | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Crowther, Stan (Rotherham) | Johnston, Russell (Inverness) | Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE) |
| Cryer, Bob | Jones, Alec (Rhondda) | Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) |
| Cunningham, G. (Islington S) | Judd, Frank | Skinner, Dennis |
| Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiten) | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald | Smith, Rt Hon (N Lanarkshire) |
| Dalyell, Tam | Kerr, Russell | Snape, Peter |
| Davidson, Arthur | Killedder, James | Spearing, Nigel |
| Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) | Kinnock, Nell | Stallard, A. W. |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil | Lamborn, Harry | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Davies, Ifor (Gower) | Lamond, James | Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham) |
| Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) | Latham, Arthur (Paddington) | Stoddart, David |
| Deakins, Eric | Lee, John | Strang, Gavin |
| Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | Lever, Rt Hon Harold | Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley |
| de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Litterick, Tom | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W) |
| Dolg, Peter | Luard, Evan | Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) |
| Dormand, J. D. | Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) | Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | McDonald, Dr Oonagh | Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E) |
| Dunnett, Jack | McKay, Allen (Penistone) | Thompson, George |
| Eadle, Alex | MacFarquhar, Roderick | Tilley, John |
| Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) | Maclennan, Robert | Tomlinson, John |
| English, Michael | McNamara, Kevin | Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V) |
| Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) | Madden, Max | Ward, Michael |
| Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) | Mallalleu, J. P. W. | Watkinson, John |
| Evans, John (Newton) | Marks, Kenneth | Wellbeloved, James |
| Ewing, Harry (Stirling) | Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Fitt, Gerard (Belfast W) | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch) |
| Flannery, Martin | Meacher, Michael | Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton) |
| Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | Mellish, Rt Hon Robert | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Foot, Rt Hon Michael | Molloy, William | Woodall, Alec |
| Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) | Morrs, Rt Hon Charles R. | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Young, David (Bolton E) |
| Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald | Morton, George | |
| Freud, Clement | Moyle, Rt Hon Roland | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Garrett, John (Norwich S) | Newens, Stanley | Mr James Tinn and |
| Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John | Noble, Mike | Mr. Donald Coleman. |
| NOES | ||
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Biggs-Davison, John | Braine, Sir Bernard |
| Baker, Kenneth | Blaker, Peter | Brittan, Leon |
| Banks, Robert | Body, Richard | Brooke, Hon Peter |
| Bendall, Vivian | Boscawen, Hon Robert | Buck, Antony |
| Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) | Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) | Bulmer, Esmond |
| Biffen, John | Bradford, Rev Robert | Carlisle, Mark |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Kershaw, Anthony | Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex) |
| Clegg, Walter | King, Evelyn (South Dorset) | Rhodes James, R. |
| Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) | Kitson, Sir Timothy | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon |
| Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E) | Lamont, Norman | Ridley, Hon Nicholas |
| Crouch, David | Lawrence, Ivan | Ridsdale, Julian |
| Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) | Lawson, Nigel | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) |
| Dodsworth, Geoffrey | Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) |
| Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Loveridge, John | Ross, William (Londonderry) |
| Drayson, Burnaby | Luce, Richard | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) |
| du Cann, Rt Hon Edward | McCusker, H. | Sainsbury, Tim |
| Dunlop, John | Macfarlane, Neil | Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) |
| Dykes, Hugh | McNalr-Wllson, M. (Newbury) | Shaw, Michael (Scarborough) |
| Eden, Rt Hon Sir John | McNalr-Wilson, P. (New Forest) | Shelton, William (Streatham) |
| Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Shepherd, Colin |
| Emery, Peter | Mather, Carol | Shersby, Michael |
| Eyre, Reginalo | Mawby, Ray | Silvester, Fred |
| Fell, Anthony | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Sims, Roger |
| Finsberg, Geoffrey | Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) | Skeet, T. H. H. |
| Fisher, Sir Nigel | Miscampbell, Norman | Smith, Timothy John (Ashfield) |
| Fookes, Miss Janet | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Speed, Keith |
| Forman. Nigel | Moate, Roger | Spicer, Michael (S Worcester) |
| Fowler, Norman (Sutton C't'd) | Molyneaux, James | Stainton, Keith |
| Fox, Marcus | More, Jasper (Ludlow) | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Gardiner, George (Relgate) | Morgan, Geraint | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Godber, Rt Hon Joseph | Morgan-Giles, Rear-Admiral | Tapsell, Peter |
| Goodhew, Victor | Morris, Michael (Northampton S) | Tebbit, Norman |
| Gorst, John | Neave, Alrey | Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S) |
| Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) | Nelson Anthony | Townsend, Cyril D. |
| Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) | ||
| Griffiths, Eldon | Neubert, Michael | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Grist, Ian | Newton, Tony | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| Harrison, Col Sir Harwood (Eye) | Normanton, Tom | Viggers, Peter |
| Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss | Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) | Walder, David (Clitheroe) |
| Holland, Philip | Page, Richard (Workington) | Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek |
| Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Paisley, Rev Ian | Walters, Dennis |
| Howell, David (Guildford) | Pattie, Geoffrey | Warren, Kenneth |
| Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) | Percival, Ian | Weatherill, Bernard |
| Hunt, David (Wirral) | Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch | Wells, John |
| Hurd, Douglas | Prentice, Rt Hon Reg | Whitney, Raymond |
| James, David | Price, David (Eastleigh) | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&W'd) | Prior, Rt Hon James | Wood, Rt Hon Richard |
| Jessel, Toby | Pym, Rt Hon Francis | |
| Jopling, Michael | Raison, Timothy | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) | Mr. Anthony Berry and |
| Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine | Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) | Mr. Peter Morrison. |
| Division No. 305] | AYES | [12.29 a.m. |
| Anderson, Donald | Golding, John | O'Halloran, Michael |
| Archer, Rt Hon Peter | Gould, Bryan | Orme, Rt Hon Stanley |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Graham, Ted | Ovenden, John |
| Ashton, Joe | Grant, John (Isington C) | Owen, Rt Hon Dr David |
| Bain, Mrs Margaret | Grimond, Rt Hon J. | Palmer, Arthur |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Hardy, Peter | Park, George |
| Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) | Harrison, Rt Hon Walter | Pavitt, Laurie |
| Bates, Alf | Hart, Rt Hon Judith | Prescott, John |
| Bean, R. E. | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Price, C. (Lewisham W) |
| Beith, A. J. | Hayman, Mrs Helene | Radlce, Giles |
| Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood | Heffer, Eric S. | Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) |
| Bitten, John | Hooson, Emlyn | Richardson, Miss Jo |
| Bishop, Rt Hon Edward | Horam, John | Roderick, Caerwyn |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) | Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton) |
| Booth, Rt Hon Albert | Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) |
| Buchan, Norman | Huckfleld, Lea | Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock) |
| Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) | Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) | Rowlands, Ted |
| Conavan, Dennis | Hughes, Roy (Newport) | Sandelson, Neville |
| Carter, Ray | Irving, Rt Hon Sydney (Dartford) | Sedgemore, Brian |
| Cartwright, John | Janner, Greville | Sheldon, Rt Hon Robert |
| Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) | Jay, Rt Hon Douglas | Shore, Rt Hon Peter |
| Concannon, Rt Hon John | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) | Short, Mrs Rende(Wolv NE) |
| Corbett, Robin | John, Brynmor | Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) |
| Cox, Thomas (Tooting) | Johnston, Russell (Inverness) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Cronin, John | Jones, Alec (Rhondda) | Smith, Rt Hon John (N Lanarkshire) |
| Cryer, Bob | Judd, Frank | Snape, Peter |
| Cunningham, G. (Islington S) | Kaufman, Rt Hon Gerald | Spearing, Nigel |
| Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh) | Kerr, Russell | Stallard, A. W. |
| Dalyell, Tarn | Killedder James | Steel, Rt Hon David |
| Davidson, Arthur | Lambom, Harry | Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham) |
| Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) | Lamond, James | Stoddart, David |
| Davies, Rt Hon Denzil | Latham, Arthur (Paddington) | Stang, Gavin |
| Davies, Ifor (Gower) | Lee, John | Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley |
| Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) | Lever, Rt Hon Harold | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W) |
| Deakins, Eric | Litterick, Tom | Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) |
| de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Luard, Evan | Thomas, Mike (Anertillery) |
| Doig, Peter | Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) | Thomas, Jeffrey (Newcastle E) |
| Dormand. J. D. | Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) | Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E) |
| Duffy, A. E. P. | MacFarquhar, Roderick | Thompson, George |
| Dunnett, Jack | McKay, Allen (Penistone) | Tilley, John |
| Eadie, Alex | Maclennan, Robert | Tinn, James |
| Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) | McNamara, Kevin | Tomlinson, John |
| English, Michael | Madden, Max | Walnwrlght, Edwin (Dearne V) |
| Evans, Gwynlor (Carmarthen) | Mallalieu, J. P. W. | Ward, Michael |
| Evans, John (Newton) | Marks, Kenneth | Watkinson, John |
| Ewing, Harry (Stirling) | Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) | Wellbeloved, James |
| Fitt, Gerard (Belfast W) | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Flannery, Martin | Meacher, Michael | Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch) |
| Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | Mellish, Rt Hon Robert | Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton) |
| Foot, Rt Hon Michael | Molloy, William | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) | Morris, Rt Hon Charles R. | Woodall, Alec |
| Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Wrlgglesworth, Ian |
| Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald | Morton, George | Young, David (Bolton E) |
| Freud, Clement | Moyle, Rt Hon Roland | |
| Garrett, John (Norwich S) | Newens, Stanley | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Gilbert, Rt Hon Dr John | Noble, Mike | Mr. Donald Coleman and |
| Ginsburg, David | Ogden, Eric | Mr. James Hamilton. |
| NOES | ||
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | du Cann, Rt Hon Edward | Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) |
| Baker, Kenneth | Dunlop, John | Hunt, David (Wlrral) |
| Banks, Robert | Eden, Rt Hon Sir John | Hurd, Douglas |
| Bendall, Vivian | Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) | James, David |
| Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) | Emery, Peter | Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&W'd) |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Eyre, Reginald | Jessel, Toby |
| Biffen, John | Fell, Anthony | Jopllng, Michael |
| Blggs-Davison, John | Finsberg, Geoffrey | Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith |
| Blaker, Peter | Fisher, Sir Nigel | Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine |
| Body, Richard | Fookes, Miss Janet | Kershaw, Anthony |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Forman, Nigel | King, Evelyn (South Dorset) |
| Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) | Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) | Kltson, Sir Timothy |
| Brains, Sir Bernard | Fox, Marcus | Lamont, Norman |
| Brittan, Leon | Gardiner, George (Relgate) | Lawrence, Ivan |
| Brooke, Hon Peter | Godber, Rt Hon Joseph | Lawson, Nigel |
| Buck, Antony | Goodhew, Victor | Lester, Jim (Beeston) |
| Bulmer, Esmond | Gorst, John | Loverldge, John |
| Carlisle, Mark | Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) | Luce, Richard |
| Clegg, Walter | Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) | Macfarlane, Nell |
| Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) | Grist, Ian | McNalr-Wllson, M. (Newbury) |
| Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E) | Harrison, Col Sir Harwood (Eye) | McNalr-Wolfson, P. (New Forest) |
| Crouch, John | Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss | Marshall, Michael (Arundel) |
| Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) | Holland, Philip | Mather, Carol |
| Dodsworth, Geoffrey | Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Mawby, Ray |
| Drayson, Burnaby | Howell, David (Guildford) | Meyer, Sir Anthony |
| Miller, Hal (Bitmsgrove) | Raison, Timothy | Stainton, Keith |
| Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Moate, Roger | Ronton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) | Stradllng Thomas, J. |
| More, Jasper (Ludlow) | Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex) | Tapsell, Peter |
| Morgan, Geraint | Rhodes James, R. | Tebbit, Norman |
| Morgan-Giles, Rear Admiral | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon | Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S) |
| Morris, Michael (Northampton S) | Ridley, Hon Nicholas | Townsend, Cyril D. |
| Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester) | Ridsdale, Julian | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Neave, Alrey | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| Nelson, Anthony | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) | Viggers, Peter |
| Neubert, iMchael | Sainsbury, Tim | Walder, David (Clitheroe) |
| Newton, Tony | Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) | Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek |
| Normanton, Tom | Shaw, Mchael (Scarborough) | Walters, Dennis |
| Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) | Shelton, William (Streatham) | Warren, Kenneth |
| Page, Richard (Wokington) | Shepherd, Colin | Weatherili, Bernard |
| Paisley, Rev Ian | Shersby, Michael | Wells, John |
| Pattie, Geoffrey | Silvester, Fred | Whitney, Raymond |
| Perclvel, Ian | Sims, Roger | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Prentice, Rt Hon Reg | Skeet, T. H. H. | |
| Price, David (Eastleigh) | Smith, Timothy John (Ashtield) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Prior, Rt Hon James | Speed, Keith | Lord James Douglas-Hamilton and |
| Pym, Rt Hon Francis | Spicer, Michael (S Worcester) | Mr. Michael Roberts. |
§ Question accordingly agreed to.
§ Lords amendment No. 197 disagreed to.
§ Lords amendments Nos. 168 to 171, 174 to 187, 189, 193 to 195 and 198 agreed to.
§ Committee appointed to draw up reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to certain of their amendments to the Bill: Mr. John Morris, Mr. Jim Marshall. Mr. Pym, Mr. John Smith and Mr. John Stradling Thomas: Three to be the quorum.—[Mr. John Smith.]
§ To withdraw immediately.
§ Reasons for disagreeing to certain of the Lords amendments reported, and agreed to; to be communicated to the Lords.