HC Deb 23 November 1977 vol 939 cc1680-4

Question put, That the clause stand part of the Bill:—

The Committee divided:Ayes 186, Noes 154.

Division No. 18] AYES [11.00 p.m.
Allaun, Frank Duffy, A. E. P. Lambie, David
Anderson, Donald Dunn, James A. Lamborn, Harry
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Dunnett, Jack Lamond, James
Armstrong, Ernest Eadie, Alex Loyden, Eddie
Ashton, Joe Edge, Geoff Luard, Evan
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) Lyons, Edward (Bradford W)
Atkinson, Norman English, Michael Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Evans,Gwynfor (Carmarthen) McCartney, Hugh
Bain, Mrs. Margaret Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) MacCormick, Iain
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Ewing, Harry (Stirling) McDonald, Dr Oonagh
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) Ewing, Mrs Winifred (Moray) McElhone, Frank
Bates, Alf Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor
Beith, A. J. Flannery, Martin Maclennan, Robert
Bishop, Rt Hon Edward Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C)
Blenkinsop, Arthur Foot, Rt Hon Michael Madden, Max
[...] H. Ford, Ben Magee, Bryan
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) Marks, Kenneth
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole)
Bradley, Tom Freud, Clement Meacher, Michael
Bray, Dr Jeremy George, Bruce Millan, Rt Hon Bruce
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Gilbert, Dr John Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride)
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Ginsburg, David Mitchell, Austin
Buchan, Norman Golding, John Molloy, William
Buchanan, Richard Gourlay, Harry Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)
Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) Grimond, Rt Hon J. Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw)
Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) Grocott, Bruce Morris, Rt Hon J, (Aberavon)
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Moyle, Roland
Campbell, Ian Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick
Canavan, Dennis Hart, Rt Hon Judith Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King
Carmichael, Neil Hatton, Frank Newens, Stanley
Cartwright, John Hayman, Mrs Helene Noble, Mike
Clemitson, Ivor Heffer, Eric S. Oakes, Gordon
Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) Henderson, Douglas Ogden, Eric
Colquhoun, Ms Maureen Hooley, Frank Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) Hooson, Emlyn Ovenden, John
Corbett, Robin Horam, John Park, George
Cox, Thomas (Tooting) Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) Pavitt, Laurie
Craigen, Jim (Maryhill) Hoyle, Doug (Nelson) Penhaligon, David
Crawford, Douglas Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Price, William (Rugby)
Crawshaw, Richard Hunter, Adam Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S)
Cryer, Bob Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) Reid, George
Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh) Janner, Greville Robinson, Geoffrey
Dalyell, Tarn Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Roderick, Caerwyn
Davidson, Arthur John, Brynmor Rodgers, George (Chorley)
Davies, Denzll (Llanelli) Johnson, James (Hull West) Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton)
Deakins, Eric Johnston, Russell (Inverness) Booker, J. W.
Dempsey, James Jones, Alec (Rhondda) Roper, John
Doig, Peter Jones, Barry (East Flint) Rose, Paul B.
Dormand, J. D. Kerr, Russell Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Douglas-Mann, Bruce Kilfedder. James Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock)
Sever, J. Strang, Gavin White, Frank R. (Bury)
Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W) Whitlock, William
Silverman, Julius Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) Wigley, Dafydd
Skinner, Dennis Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW) Williams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Small, William Thompson, George Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Smith, Cyril (Rochdale) Thorne, Stan (Preston South) Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E)
Smith, John (N Lanarkshire) Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon) Wise, Mrs Audrey
Snape, Peter Tierney, Sydney Woodall, Alec
Spriggs, Leslie Tinn, James Woof, Robert
Stallard, A. W. Tomlinson, John Young, David (Bolton E)
Steel, Rt Hon David Torney, Tom
Stewart, Rt Hon Donald Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham) Watt, Hamish Mr. Joseph Harper and
Stott, Roger Welsh, Andrew Mr. Donald Coleman.
NOES
Aitken, Jonathan Hayhoe, Barney Pink, R. Bonner
Alison, Michael Hodgson, Robin Powell, Rt Hon J Enoch
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Holland, Philip Prentice, Rt Hon Reg
Baker, Kenneth Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Price, David (Eastleigh)
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) Hurd, Douglas Prior, Rt Hon James
Benyon, W. Hutchison, Michael Clark Pym, Rt Hon Francis
Berry, Hon Anthony James, David Raison, Timothy
Bottomley, Peter Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&W'df'd) Rawlinson, Rt Hon Sir Peter
Bradford, Rev Robert Jessel, Toby Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal)
Brittan, Leon Jones, Arthur (Daventry) Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex)
Brocklebank-Fowler, C. Joseph, Rt Hon. Sir Keith Rhodes James, R.
Brotherton, Michael Kaberry, Sir Donald Rifkind, Malcolm
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) King, Evelyn (South Dorset) Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)
Bulmer, Esmond King, Tom (Bridgwater) Roberts, Wyn (Conway)
Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Knox, David Ross, William (Londonderry)
Carlisle, Mark Lamont, Norman Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Chalker, Mrs Lynda Langford-Holt, Sir John Sainsbury, Tim
Channon, Paul Lawson, Nigel Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Churchill, W. S. Lester, Jim (Beeston) Shelton, William (Streatham)
Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Shepherd, Colin
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Luce, Richard Silvester, Fred
Clegg, Walter Macfarlane, Nell Sinclair, Sir George
Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) MacGregor, John Skeet, T. H. H.
Cope, John MacKay, Andrew (Stechford) Smith, Dudley (Warwick)
Costain, A. P. Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Smith, Timothy John (Ashfield)
Dean, Paul (N Somerset) Marten, Neil Speed, Keith
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Mates, Michael Spicer, Michael (S Worcester)
Dunlop, John Mather, Carol Sproat, Iain
Dykes, Hugh Mawby, Ray Stainton, Keith
Eden, Rt Hon Sir John Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Stanbrook, Ivor
Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Mayhew, Patrick Stewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Emery, Peter Meyer, Sir Anthony Stokes, John
Fairbairn, Nicholas Mider, Hal (Bromsgrove) Stradling Thomas, J.
Fairgrieve, Russell Mills, Peter Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart)
Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N) Miscampbell, Norman Tebbit, Norman
Fookes, Miss Janet Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret
Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) Moate, Roger Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S)
Fox, Marcus Molyneaux, James Townsend, Cyril D.
Fry, Peter Monro, Hector Vaughan, Dr Gerard
Gardiner, George (Reigate) Montgomery, Fergus Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) More, Jasper (Ludlow) Wall, Patrick
Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) Morgan, Geraint Walters, Dennis
Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) Morris, Michael (Northampton S) Weatherill, Bernard
Grieve, Percy Morrison, Charles (Devizes) Wells, John
Griffiths, Eldon Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester) Winterton, Nicholas
Grist, Ian Neave, Airey Wood, Rt Hon Richard
Grylls, Michael Neubert, Michael Younger, Hon George
Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Newton, Tony
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Oppenheim, Mrs Sally TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Hampson, Dr Keith Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) Mr. Spencer le Marchant and
Hannam, John Pattie, Geoffrey Sir George Young.
Harrison, Col Sir Harwood (Eye) Percival, Ian
Haselhurst, Alan Peyton, Rt Hon John
Division No. 19] AYES [11.17 p.m.
Allaun, Frank Foot, Rt Hon Michael Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King
Anderson, Donald Ford, Ben Newens, Stanley
Archer, Rt Hon Peter Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) Noble, Miks
Armstrong, Ernest Freeson, Rt Hon Reginald Oakes, Gordon
Ashton, Joe Freud, Clement Ogden, Eric
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) George, Bruce Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Atkinson, Norman Gilbert, Dr John Park, George
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Ginsburg, David Pavitt, Laurie
Bain, Mrs. Margaret Golding, John Penhaligon, David
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Gourlay, Harry Price, William (Rugby)
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) Grimond, Rt Hon J. Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S)
Bates, Alf Grocott, Bruce Reid, George
Beith, A. J. Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Robinson, Geoffrey
Bishop, Rt Hon Edward Harrison, Rt Hon Walter Roderick, Caerwyn
Blenkinsop, Arthur Hart, Rt Hon Judith Rodgers, George (Chorley)
Boardman, H. Hatton, Frank Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton)
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Hayman, Mrs Helene Rooker J. W.
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Heffer, Eric S. Roper, John
Bray, Dr Jeremy Henderson, Douglas Rose, Paul B.
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Hooley, Frank Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Hooson, Emlyn Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock)
Buchan, Norman Horam, John Sever, J.
Buchanan, Richard Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) Silkin, Rt Hon S. C.[...]
Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) Hoyle, Doug (Nelson) Silverman, Julius
Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Skinner, Dennis
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Hunter, Adam Small, William
Campbell, Ian Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Canavan, Dennis Janner, Greville Smith, John (N Lanarkshire)
Carmichael, Neil Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Spriggs, Leslie
Cartwright, John John, Brynmor Stallard, A. W.
Clemitson, Ivor Johnson, James (Hull West) Steel, Rt Hon David
Cocks, Rt Hon Michael (Bristol S) Johnston, Russell (Inverness) Stewart, Rt Hon Donald
Coleman, Donald Jones, Alec (Rhondda) Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham)
Colquhoun, Ms Maureen Jones, Barry (East Flint) Stott, Roger
Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) Kerr, Russell Strang, Gavin
Corbett, Robin Kilfedder, James Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)
Cox, Thomas (Tooting) Lambie, David Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Craigen, Jim (Maryhill) Lamborn, Harry Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW)
Crawford, Douglas Lamond, James Thompson, George
Crawshaw, Richard Loyden, Eddie Thorne, Stan (Preston South)
Cryer, Bob Luard, Evan Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon)
Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh) Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) Tierney, Sydney
Dalyell, Tarn Mabon, Rt Hon Dr J. Dickson Tinn, James
Davidson, Arthur McCartney, Hugh Tomlinson, John
Davies, Denzil (Llanelli) MacCormick, Iain Torney, Tom
Deakins, Eric McDonald, Or Oonagh Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)
Dempsey, James McElhone, Frank Watt, Hamish
Doig, Peter MacKenzie, Rt Hon Gregor Welsh, Andrew
Dormand, J. D. Maclennan, Robert White, Frank R. (Bury)
Douglas-Mann, Bruce McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) Whitlock, William
Duffy, A. E. P. Madden, Max Wigley, Dafydd
Dunn, James A. Magee, Bryan Williams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Dunnett, Jack Marks, Kenneth Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Eadie, Alex Marshall. Dr Edmund (Goole) Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E)
Edge, Geoff Meacher, Michael Wise, Mrs Audrey
Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) Millan, Rt Hon Bruce Woodall, Alec
English, Michael Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) Woof, Robert
Evans,Gwynfor (Carmarthen) Mitchell, Austin Young, David (Bolton E)
Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) Molloy, William
Ewing, Harry (Stirling) Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Ewing, Mrs Winifred (Moray) Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Mr. Joseph Harper and
Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) Mr. Peter Snape.
Flannery, Martin Moyle, Roland
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick
NOES
Adley, Robert Bulmer, Esmond Dunlop, John
Aitken, Jonathan Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Dykes, Hugh
Alison, Michael Carlisle, Mark Eden, Rt Hon Sir John
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Chalker, Mrs Lynda Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke)
Baker, Kenneth Channon, Paul Emery, Peter
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) Churchill, W. S. Fairbairn, Nicholas
Benyon, W. Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) Fairgrieve, Russell
Bottomley, Peter Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N)
Bradford, Rev Robert Clegg, Walter Fookes, Miss Janet
Brittan, Leon Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd)
Brocklebank-Fowler, C. Cope, John Fox, Marcus
Brotherton, Michael Costain, A. P. Fry, Peter
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Dean, Paul (N Somerset) Gardiner, George (Reigate)
Buchanan-Smith, Alick Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Gow, Ian (Eastbourne)
Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) Mather, Carol Ross, William (Londonderry)
Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) Mawby, Ray Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Grieve, Percy Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Sainsbury, Tim
Griffiths, Eldon Mayhew, Patrick Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Grist, Ian Meyer, Sir Anthony Shelton, William (Streatham)
Grylls, Michael Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) Shepherd, Colin
Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Mills, Peter Silvester, Fred
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Miscampbell, Norman Sinclair, Sir George
Hampson, Dr Keith Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Skeet, T. H. H.
Hannam, John Moate, Roger Smith, Dudley (Warwick)
Harrison, Col Sir Harwood (Eye) Molyneaux, James Smith, Timothy John (Ashfield)
Haselhurst, Alan Monro, Hector Speed, Keith
Hayhoe, Barney Montgomery, Fergus Spicer, Michael (S Worcester)
Hodgson, Robin More, Jasper (Ludlow) Sproat, Iain
Holland, Philip Morgan, Geraint Stainton, Keith
Hunt, John (Ravensbourne) Morris, Michael (Northampton S) Stanbrook, Ivor
Hurd, Douglas Morrison, Charles (Devizes) Stewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Hutchison, Michael Clark Neave, Airey Stokes, John
James, David Neubert, Michael Stradling Thomas, J.
Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd&W'df'd) Newton, Tony Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart)
Jessel, Toby Oppenheim, Mrs Sally Tebbit, Norman
Jones, Arthur (Daventry) Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret
Joseph, Rt Hon. Sir Keith Pattie, Geoffrey Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S)
Kaberry, Sir Donald Percival, Ian Townsend, Cyril D.
King, Evelyn (South Dorset) Peyton, Rt Hon John Vaughan, Dr Gerard
King, Tom (Bridgwater) Pink, R. Bonner Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Knox, David Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch Wall, Patrick
Lamont, Norman Prentice, Rt Hon Reg Walters, Dennis
Langford-Holt, Sir John Price, David (Eastleigh) Weatherill, Bernard
Lawson, Nigel Prior, Rt Hon James Wells, John
Le Marchant, Spencer Pym, Rt Hon Francis Winterton, Nicholas
Lester, Jim (Beeston) Raison, Timothy Wood, Rt Hon Richard
Luce, Richard Rawlinson, Rt Hon Sir Peter Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton)
Macfarlane, Neil Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) Younger, Hon George
MacGregor, John Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex)
MacKay, Andrew (Stechford) Rhodes James, R. TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Rifkind, Malcolm Mr. Anthony Berry and
Marten, Neil Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) Mr. Peter Morrison.
Mates, Michael Roberts, Wyn (Conway)

Question accordingly agreed to.

Clause 15 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 16 and 17 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Then The CHAIRMAN left the Chair to report Progress and ask leave to sit again, pursuant to Order [16th November].

Committee report Progess; to sit again tomorrow.