HC Deb 19 October 1976 vol 917 cc1378-80
Mr. Clinton Davis

I beg to move Amendment No. 95, in page 27, line 14, leave out 'inform it whether' and insert 'indicate in writing the capacity in which'.

Mr. Deputy Speaker (Mr. Oscar Murton)

With this we are to take Government Amendments Nos. 96 to 101 inclusive.

Mr. Davis

We feel that it is important that persons replying to a company's request for information about the nature of their shareholding should do so formally in writing. That will avoid any dispute as to whether any answer was given. For example, I think that a telephone conversation would be agreed to be highly inappropriate. This is similar to the requirements of Sections 27 and 33 of the 1967 Act.

The other amendments are of a similar drafting character.

I ought to say that during the consultations on the 1973 Bill, in which this clause appeared as Clause 19, I am advised that two deficiencies were brought to the attention of the Department. First, the clause assumed that a member of a company could hold shares either as a beneficial owner or as a trustee. There are, of course, other capacities in which the shares can be held—for example, as a mortgagee. The amendment therefore substitute the wider phrases otherwise than as beneficial owner". The second criticism concerned the meaning of the phrase so far as he can", which was thought to be ambiguous, as it might mean "so far as he knew" or "so far as he could in compliance with other obligations". The amendments make it clear that the qualification relates to the extent of the person's knowledge.

Mr. Higgins

At this hour of the morning I do not know whether it would be right for the Minister to be told what consultations took place on the 1973 Bill—but I let that pass. I merely ask the Minister this question. The change to an indication in writing may create some problems concerning timing. Has he had consultations on that matter and is he satisfied that notification can be made in writing within the time limits now suggested?

Mr. Davis

I am not quite sure on that specific point. I do not want to offer an answer simply out of the back of my head. I would want to confer with my officials as to the nature of the consultations which took place. However, I know that they have gone into the matter very fully and I believe that our proposal is consistent with the time limit. Again, as the hon. Gentleman has previously remarked, in all these matters it is absolutely true that we must look at the experience of events and adjudicate the position then.

I am advised "No time limit. It must be within a reasonable time". Perhaps there is the answer. I hope that that clarifies the position. It has certainly done wonders for me.

Amendment agreed to.

Amendments made: No. 96, in page 27, line 15, leave out from 'company' to end of line 18 and insert 'and (b) is he holds them otherwise than as beneficial owner to indicate in writing so far as it lies within his knowledge the person who have an interest in them either by name and address

No. 97, in page 27, line 27, leave out 'inform it whether' and insert 'indicate in writing the capicity in which'.

No. 98, in page 27, line 27, leave out from 'interest' to 'or' in line 30 and insert 'and (b) if he holds it otherwise than as beneficial owner, to indicate in writing so far as it lies within his knowledge the persons who have an interest in it (either by name and address'.

No. 101, in page 27, line 35, leave out 'inform it' and insert 'indicate in writing'.

No. 99, in page 27, line 40, after 'give', insert 'so far as it lies within his knowledge written'.

No. 100, in page 27, line 41, at end insert— '(3A) Where a company is informed in pursuance of a notice given to any person under subsection (3) above or under this subsection that any other person is a party to any such agreement or arrangement as is mentioned in subsection (3) above, the company may by notice in writing require that other person within such reasonable time as is specified in the notice to give so far as it lies within his knowledge written particulars of the agreement or arrangement and the parties to it.'—[Mr. Clinton Davis.]

Mr. Clinton Davis

I beg to move Amendment No. 61, in page 28, line 21, after "liable", insert "(i)".

Mr. Deputy Speaker

With this we are to take Government Amendment No. 62.

Mr. Davis

This amendment makes provision for summary proceedings to be instituted in respect of an offence under Clause 24. When the clause appeared in the 1973 Bill there was no need to make specific provision for summary proceedings since the matter would have been dealt with by reference to the Magistrates Courts Act, but this procedure is no longer adopted for new offences and there is consequently a need for provision to be made in the clause.

Amendment agreed to.

Amendment made: No. 62, in page 28, line 23, at end insert or (ii) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding £400 or to both."—[Mr. Bates.]

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