HC Deb 09 November 1976 vol 919 cc367-73

Lords amendment: No. 14, in page 4, line 5, at end insert— 'provided that the necessary resources for building and equipment have been made

available to give full effect to the Secretary of State's approval of the proposals.'"

Motion made, and Question put forth-with pursuant to the Order yesterday, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said Amendment.—[Mr. Bates.]:—

The House divided: Ayes 307, Noes 294.

Division No. 385.] AYES 10.51 p.m.
Abse, Leo Cronin, John Golding, John
Allaun, Frank Crosland, Rt Hon Anthony Gould, Bryan
Anderson, Donald Crowther, Stan (Rotherham) Gourlay, Harry
Archer, Peter Cryer, Bob Graham, Ted
Armstrong, Ernest Cunningham, G. (Islington S) Grant, George (Morpeth)
Ashley, Jack Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh) Grant, John (Islington C)
Ashton, Joe Dalyell, Tarn Grocott, Bruce
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) Davidson, Arthur Hamilton, James (Bothwell)
Atkinson, Norman Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife)
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Davies, Denzil (Llanelli) Hardy, Peter
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Davies, Ifor (Gower) Harper, Joseph
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)
Bates, Alf Deakins, Eric Hart, Rt Hon Judith
Bean, R. E. Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Hatton, Frank
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Dell, Rt Hon Edmund Healey, Rt Hon Denis
Bidwell, Sydney Dempsey, James Heffer, Eric S.
Bishop, E. S. Doig, Peter Hooley, Frank
Blenkinsop, Arthur Dormand, J. D. Horam, John
Boardman, H. Douglas-Mann, Bruce Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham,Sm H)
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Duffy, A. E. P. Hoyle, Doug (Nelson)
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur Dunn, James A. Huckfield, Les
Boyden, James (Bish Auck) Dunnett, Jack Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey)
Bradley, Tom Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Hughes, Mark (Durham)
Bray, Dr Jeremy Eadie, Alex Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Edge, Geoff Hughes, Roy (Newport)
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) Hunter, Adam
Brown, Ronald (Hackney S) Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill)
Buchan, Norman Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford)
Buchanan, Richard English, Michael Jackson, Colin (Brighouse)
Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) Ennals, David Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln)
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Evans, Fred (Caerphilly) Janner, Greville
Campbell, Ian Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) Jay, Rt Hon Douglas
Canavan, Dennis Evans, loan (Aberdare) Jeger, Mrs Lena
Cant, R. B. Evans, John (Newton) Jenkins, Hugh (Putney)
Carmichael, Nell Ewing, Harry (Stirling) John, Brynmor
Carter, Ray Faulds, Andrew Johnson, James (Hull West)
Carter-Jones, Lewis Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. Johnson, Walter (Derby S)
Cartwright, John Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Jones, Alec (Rhondda)
Castle, Rt Hon Barbara Flannery, Martin Jones, Barry (East Flint)
Clemitson, Ivor Fletcher, L. R. (Ilkeston) Jones, Dan (Burnley)
Cocks, Rt Hon Michael Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Judd, Frank
Cohen, Stanley Foot, Rt Hon Michael Kaufman, Gerald
Coleman, Donald Ford, Ben Kelley, Richard
Colquhoun, Ms Maureen Forrester, John Kerr, Russell
Concannon, J. D. Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) Kilroy-Silk, Robert
Conlan, Bernard Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) Kinnock, Neil
Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) Freeson, Reginald Lambie, David
Corbett, Robin Garrett, John (Norwich S) Lamborn, Harry
Cowans, Harry Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) Lamond, James
Cox, Thomas (Tooting) George, Bruce Latham, Arthur (Paddington)
Craigen, J. M. (Maryhill) Gilbert, Dr John Leadbitter, Ted
Crawshaw, Richard Ginsburg, David Lee, John
Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) O'Halloran, Michael Stoddart, David
Lever, Rt Hon Harold Orbach, Maurice Stott, Roger
Lewis, Arthur (Newham N) Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Strang, Gavin
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Ovenden, John Strauss, Rt Hon G. R.
Lipton, Marcus Owen, Rt Hon Dr David Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Litterick, Tom Padley, Walter Swain, Thomas
Lomas, Kenneth Palmer, Arthur Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)
Loyden, Eddie Park, George Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Luard, Evan Parker, John Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Lyon, Alexander (York) Parry, Robert Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E)
Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) Pavitt, Laurie Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW)
Mabon, Or J. Dickson Pendry, Tom Thorne, Stan (Preston South)
McCartney, Hugh Perry, Ernest Tierney, Sydney
McDonald, Or Oonagh Phipps, Dr Colin Tinn, James
McElhone, Frank Prentice, Rt Hon Rag Tomlinson, John
MacFarquhar, Roderick Prescott, John Tomney, Frank
McGuire, Michael (Ince) Price, C. (Lewisham W) Torney, Tom
MacKenzie, Gregor Price, William (Rugby) Urwin, T. W.
Mackintosh, John P. Radice, Giles Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
Maclennan, Robert Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)
McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) Richardson, Miss Jo Walden, Brian (B'ham, L'dyw'd)
McNamara, Kevin Roberts, Albert (Normanton) Walker. Harold (Doncaster)
Madden, Max Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) Walker, Terry (Kingswood)
Magee, Bryan Robertson, John (Paisley) Ward, Michael
Maguire, Frank (Fermanagh) Robinson, Geoffrey Watkins, David
Mahon, Simon Roderick, Caerwyn Watkinson, John
Mallalieu, J. P. W. Rodgers, George (Chorley) Weetch, Ken
Marks, Kenneth Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton) Weitzman, David
Marquand, David Rooker, J. W. Wellbeloved, James
Marshall Dr Edmund (Goole) Roper, John White, Frank R. (Bury)
Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) Rose, Paul B. White, James (Pollock)
Maynard, Miss Joan Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock) Whitehead, Phillip
Meacher, Michael Rowlands, Ted Whitlock, William
Mellish, Rt Hon Robert Ryman, John Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Mendelson, John Sandelson, Neville Williams, Alan (Swansea W)
Mikardo, Ian Sedgemore, Brian Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Millan, Rt Hon Selby, Harry Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford)
Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South) Williams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Miller, Mrs Mille (Ilford N) Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne) Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) Shore, Rt Hon Peter Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Molloy, William Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE) Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) Wise, Mrs Audrey
Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich) Woodall, Alec
Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) Sillars, James Woof Robert
Moyle, Roland Silverman, Julius Wrigglesworth, Ian
Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick Skinner, Dennis Young, David (Bolton E)
Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King Small, William
Newens, Stanley Smith, John (N Lanarkshire) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Noble, Mike Spearing, Nigel Mr. Peter Snape and
Oakes, Gordon Spriggs, Leslie Mr. A. W. Stallard
Ogden, Eric Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham)
NOES
Adley, Robert Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Emery, Peter
Aitken, Jonathan Carlisle, Mark Eyre, Reginald
Alison, Michael Carson, John Fairbairn, Nicholas
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Chalker, Mrs Lynda Fairgrieve, Russell
Arnold, Tom Channon, Paul Farr, John
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Churchill, W. S. Fell, Anthony
Awdry, Daniel Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) Finsberg, Geoffrey
Baker, Kenneth Clark, William (Croydon S) Fisher, Sir Nigel
Banks, Robert Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N)
Beith, A. J. Clegg, Walter Fletcher-Cooke, Charles
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) Cockcroft, John Fookes, Miss Janet
Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) Forman, Nigel
Benyon, W. Cope, John Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd)
Bitten, John Cordle, John H. Fox, Marcus
Biggs-Davison, John Cormack, Patrick Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St)
Blaker, Peter Corrie, John Freud, Clement
Body, Richard Costain, A. P. Fry, Peter
Boscawen, Hon Robert Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E) Galbraith, Hon. T. G. D.
Bottomley, Peter Critchley, Julian Gardiner, George (Reigate)
Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) Crouch, David Gardner, Edward (S Fylde)
Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) Crowder, F. P. Gilmour, Rt Hon Ian (Chesham)
Bradford, Rev Robert Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife)
Braine, Sir Bernard Dean, Paul (N Somerset) Glyn, Dr Alan
Brittan, Leon Dodsworth, Geoffrey Godber, Rt Hon Joseph
Brocklebank-Fowler, C. Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Goodhart, Philip
Brotherton, Michael Drayson, Burnaby Goodhew, Victor
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) du Cann, Rt Hon Edward Goodlad, Alastair
Bryan, Sir Paul Dunlop, John Gorst, John
Buchanan-Smith, Alick Durant, Tony Gow, Ian (Eastbourne)
Buck, Antony Dykes, Hugh Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry)
Budgen, Nick Eden, Rt Hon Sir John Grant, Anthony (Harrow C)
Bulmer, Esmond Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Gray, Hamish
Burden, F. A. Elliott, Sir William Grieve, Percy
Griffiths, Eldon Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Grimond, Rt Hon J. McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) Ross, William (Londonderry)
Grist, Ian McNair-Wilson, p. (New Forest) Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Grylls, Michael Madel, David Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire)
Hall, Sir John Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Royle, Sir Anthony
Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Marten, Neil Salisbury, Tim
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Males, Michael St. John-Stevas, Norman
Hampson, Dr Keith Mather, Carol Scott, Nicholas
Hannam, John Maude, Angus Scott-Hopkins, James
Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss Maudling, Rt Hon Reginald Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Hastings, Stephen Mawby, Ray Shaw, Michael (Scarborough)
Havers, Sir Michael Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Shelton, William (Streatham)
Hawkins, Paul Mayhew, Patrick Shepherd, Colin
Hayhoe, Barney Meyer, Sir Anthony Shersby, Michael
Heath, Rt Hon Edward Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) Silvester, Fred
Heseltine, Michael Mills, Peter Sims, Roger
Hicks, Robert Miscampbell, Norman Sinclair, Sir George
Higgins, Terence L. Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Skeet, T. H. H.
Hodgson, Robin Moate, Roger Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Holland, Philip Molyneaux, James Smith, Dudley (Warwick)
Hooson, Emlyn Monro, Hector Speed, Keith
Hordern, Peter Montgomery, Fergus Spence, John
Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Moore, John (Croydon C) Spicer, Jim (W Dorset)
Howell, David (Guildford) More, Jasper (Ludlow) Spicer, Michael (S Worcester)
Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) Morgan, Geraint Sproat, lain
Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) Morgan-Giles, Rear-Admiral Stanbrook, Ivor
Hunt, David (Wirral) Morris, Michael (Northampton S) Stanley, John
Hunt, John (Bromley) Morrison, Charles (Devizes) Steel, David (Roxburgh)
Hurd, Douglas Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester) Steen, Anthony (Wavertree)
Hutchison, Michael Clark Mudd, David Stewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) Neave, Airey Stokes, John
James, David Nelson, Anthony Stradling Thomas, J.
Jenkin, Rt Hon P.(Wanst'd & W'df'd) Neubert, Michael Tapsell, Peter
Jessel, Toby Newton, Tony Taylor, R. (Croydon NW)
Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead) Nott, John Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart)
Johnston, Russell (Inverness) Onslow, Cranley Tebbit, Norman
Jones, Arthur (Daventry) Oppenheim, Mrs Salty Temple-Morris, Peter
Jopling, Michael Osborn, John Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret
Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Page, John (Harrow West) Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S)
Kaberry, Sir Donald Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon)
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine Page, Richard (Workington) Townsend, Cyril D.
Kershaw, Anthony Paisley, Rev Ian Trotter, Neville
Kilfedder, James Pardoe, John Tugendhat, Christopher
Kimball, Marcus Parkinson, Cecil van Straubenzee, W. R.
King, Evelyn (South Dorset) Pattie, Geoffrey Vaughan, Dr Gerard
King, Tom (Bridgwater) Penhaligon, David Viggers, Peter
Kirk, Sir Peter Percival, Ian Wainwright, Richard (Colne V)
Kitson, Sir Timothy Peyton, Rt Hon John Wakenham, John
Knight, Mrs Jill Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Knox, David Price, David (Eastleigh) Walker. Rt Hon P. (Worcester)
Lamont, Norman Prior, Rt Hon James Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek
Lane, David Pym, Rt Hon Francis Wall, Patrick
Langford-Holt, Sir John Raison, Timothy Walters, Dennis
Latham, Michael (Mellon) Rathbone, Tim Warren, Kenneth
Lawrence, Ivan Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) Weatherill Bernard
Lawson, Nigel Rees-Davies, W. R. Wells, John
Lester, Jim (Beeston) Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) Whitelaw, Rt Hon William
Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex) Wiggin, Jerry
Lloyd, Ian Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Winterton, Nicholas
Loveridge, John Ridley, Hon Nicholas Wood, Rt Hon Richard
Luce, Richard Ridsdale, Julian Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton)
McAdden, Sir Stephen Rifkind, Malcolm Younger, Hon George
McCrindle, Robert Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey
McCusker, H. Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Macfarlane, Nell Roberts, Wyn (Conway) Mr. Spencer Le Marchant and
MacGregor, John Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) Mr. Anthony Berry

Question accordingly agreed to.

Lords Amendments Nos. 15 and 16 disagreed to.

Mr. Speaker

I am now required to put the Question, That this House doth agree with the Lords in all the remaining amendments.

Lords Amendments Nos. 17 and 18 agreed to.

Motion made,

That a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to certain of their amendments to the Bill:

That Dr. Rhodes Boyson, Miss Margaret Jackson, Mr. Norman St. John-Stevas, Mr. Frank R. White and Mrs. Shirley Williams be members of the Committee:

That Three be the quorum.—[Mrs. Shirley Williams.]

Mr. John Peyton (Yeovil)

I give notice of my intention to move, as an amendment to the motion, that the name of Mr. Alan Beith be added to the list of names.

Mr. Speaker

The proceedings upon this motion are not among those provided for under the Order to which the House agreed yesterday. I have no power to put the Question forthwith, nor can the business be proceeded with after 10 o'clock if opposed. I have to rule that what the right hon. Member has suggested constitutes opposition, and we cannot therefore debate the matter now.

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