HC Deb 09 November 1976 vol 919 cc361-7

Lords amendment: No. 13, in page 3, line 40, at end insert new Clause B: B.—(1) The Secretary of State shall appoint an independent Committee of Inquiry into the operation and results of secondary schools having particular regard to—

  1. (a) the experience so far gained of the effect of the size of schools upon the quality of education, the turnover of staff and the discipline within them; and

(b) the effect of classes of mixed ability on the quality of education.

(2) The said Committee of Inquiry shall lay the report of its findings before both Houses of Parliament within two years of the passing of this Act."

Motion made, and Question put forthwith pursuant to the Order yesterday, That this House doth disagree with the Lords in the said amendment.—[Mr. Bates.]

The House divided: Ayes 308, Noes 294.

Division No. 384.] AYES [10.40 p.m.
Abse, Leo Boyden, James (Bish Auck) Colquhoun, Ms Maureen
Allaun, Rank Bradley, Tom Concannon, J. D.
Anderson, Donald Bray, Dr Jeremy Conlan, Bernard
Archer, Peter Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Cook, Robin F. (Edin C)
Armstrong, Ernest Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Corbett, Robin
Ashley, Jack Brown, Ronald (Hackney S) Cowans, Harry
Ashton, Joe Buchan, Norman Craigen, J. M. (Maryhill)
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) Buchanan, Richard Crawshaw, Richard
Atkinson, Norman Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) Cronin, John
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Crosland, Rt Hon Anthony
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Campbell, Ian Crowther, Stan (Rotherham)
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) Canavan, Dennis Cryer, Gob
Bates, All Cant, R. B. Cunningham, G. (Islington S)
Sean, R. E. Carmichael, Nell Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh)
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Carter, Ray Dalyell, Tarn
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Carter-Jones, Lewis Davidson, Arthur
Bidwell, Sydney Cartwright, John Davies, Bryan (Enfield N)
Bishop, E. S. Castle, Rt Hon Barbara Davies, Denzil (Llanelli)
Blenkinsop, Arthur Clemitson, Ivor Davies, Ifor (Gower)
Boardman, H. Cocks, Rt Hon Michael Davis, Clinton (Hackney C)
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Cohen, Stanley Deakins, Eric
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur Coleman, Donald Dean, Joseph (Leeds West)
de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Kaufman, Gerald Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S)
Dell, Rt Hon Edmund Kelley, Richard Richardson, Miss Jo
Dempsey, James Kerr, Russell Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Doig, Peter Kilroy-Silk, Robert Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock)
Dormand, J. D. Kinnock, Neil Robertson, John (Paisley)
Douglas-Mann, Bruce Lambie, David Robinson, Geoffrey
Duffy, A. E. P. Lamborn, Harry Roderick, Caerwyn
Dunn, James A. Lamond, James Rodgers, George (Chorley)
Dunnett, Jack Latham, Arthur (Paddington) Rodgers, Rt Hon William (Stockton)
Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Leadbitter Ted Rooter, J. W.
Eadie, Alex Lee, John Roper, John
Edge, Geoff Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) Rose, Paul B.
Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) Lever, Rt Hon Harold Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock)
Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) Lewis, Arthur (Newham N) Rowlands, Ted
Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Ryman, John
English, Michael Lipton, Marcus Sandelson, Neville
Ennals, David Litterick, Tom Sedgemore, Brian
Evans Fred (Caerphilly) Lomas, Kenneth Selby, Harry
Loyden, Eddie Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South)
Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) Luard, Evan Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne)
Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Evans John (Newton) Lyon, Alexander (York) Short, Rt Hon E. (Newcastle C)
Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford)
Ewing, Harry (Stirling) Mabon, Dr J. Dickson Silkin, Rt Hon S. C. (Dulwich)
Faulds, Andrew McCartney, Hugh Sillars, James
Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. McDonald, Dr Oonagh Silverman, Julius
Fitch, Alan (Wigan) McElhone, Frank
Flannery, Martin MacFarquhar, Roderick
Fletcher L. R. (Ilkeston) Skinner, Dennis
Fletcher Ted (Darlington) McGuire, Michael (Ince) Small, William
MacKenzie, Gregor Smith, John (N Lanarkshire)
Foot, Rt Hon Michael Mackintosh, John P. Snape Peter
Ford, Ben Maclennan, Robert Spearing, Nigel
Forrester, John Fowler McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) Spriggs, Leslie
Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) McNamara, Kevin Stallard, A. W.
Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) Madden, Max Stewart Rt Hon M (Fulham)
Freeson, Reginald
Magee, Bryan Stott, Roger
Garrett, John (Norwich S) Maguire, Frank (Fermanagh) Strang, Gavin
Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) Mahon, Simon Strauss, Rt Hon G. R.
George, Bruce Gilbert, Dr John Mallalieu, J. P. W. Marks, Kenneth Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Swain Thomas
Ginsburg, David Marquand, David Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)
Golding, John Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Gould, Bryan Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Gourlay, Harry Maynard, Miss Joan Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E)
Graham, Ted Meacher, Michael
Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW)
Grant, George (Morpeth) Mellish, Rt Hon Robert Thorne Stan (Preston South)
Grant, John (Islington C) Mendelson, John
Tierney, Sydney
Grocott, Bruce Mikardo, Ian Tinn, James
Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Millan, Rt Hon Bruce Tomlinson John
Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) Tomney, Frank
Hardy, Peter Miller, Mrs Millie (Ilford N) Torney, Tom
Harper, Joseph Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) Urwin, T. W.
Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) Molloy, William Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
Hart, Rt Hon Judith Moonman, Eric Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)
Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Walden, Brian (B'ham, L'dyw'd)
Hatton, Frank Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Healey Rt Hon Denis Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon)
Heffer, Eric S. Moyle, Roland Walker, Terry (Kingswood)
Hodgson, Robin Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick ward, Michael Watkins, David
Hooley, Frank Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King Watkinson, John
Horam, John Newens, Stanley Weetch, Ken
Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H) Noble, Mike Weitzman, David
Hoyle, Doug (Nelson) Oakes, Gordon Wellbeloved, James
Huckfield, Les Ogden, Eric White, Frank R. (Bury)
Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) O'Halloran, Michael White, James (Pollock)
Hughes, Mark (Durham) Orbach, Maurice Whitehead, Phillip
Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Whitlock, William
Hughes, Roy (Newport) Ovenden, John Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Hunter, Adam Owen, Rt Hon Dr David Williams, Alan (Swansea W)
Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill) Padley, Walter Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford) Page, Richard (Workington) Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford)
Jackson, Colin (Brighouse) Palmer, Arthur Williams, Sir Thomas (Warrington)
Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) Park, George Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Janner, Greville Parker, John Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Jay, Rt Hon Douglas Parry, Robert Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Jeger, Mrs Lena Pavitt, Laurie Wise, Mrs Audrey
Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Pendry, Tom Woodall, Alec
John, Brynmor Perry, Ernest Woof, Robert
Johnson, James (Hull West) Phipps, Dr Colin Wrigglesworth, Ian
Johnson, Walter (Derby S) Prentice, Rt Hon Reg Young, David (Bolton E)
Jones, Alec (Rhondda) Prescott, John
Jones, Barry (East Flint) Price, C. (Lewisham W) TELLERS FOR THE AYES
Jones, Dan (Burnley) Price, William (Rugby) Mr. Thomas Cox and
Judd, Frank Radice, Giles Mr. David Stoddart
NOES
Adley, Robert Fry, Peter Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham)
Aitken, Jonathan Gaibraith, Hon. T. G. D. McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury)
Alison, Michael Gardiner, George (Reigate) McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest)
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) Madel, David
Arnold, Tom Gilmour, Rt Hon Ian (Chesham) Marshall, Michael (Arundel)
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife) Marten, Neil
Awdry, Daniel Glyn, Dr Alan Mates, Michael
Baker, Kenneth Godber, Rt Hon Joseph Mather, Carol
Banks, Robert Goodhart, Philip Maude, Angus
Beith, A. J. Goodhew, Victor Maudling, Rt Hon Reginald
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) Goodlad, Alastair Mawby, Ray
Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) Gorst, John Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Benyon, W. Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) Mayhew, Patrick
Berry, Hon Anthony Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) Meyer, Sir Anthony
Biffen, John Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove)
Biggs-Davison, John Gray, Hamish Mills, Peter
Blaker, Peter Grieve, Percy Miscampbell, Norman
Body, Richard Griffiths, Eldon Mitchell, David (Basingstoke)
Boscawen, Hon Robert Grimond, Rt Hon J Moate, Roger
Bottomley, Peter Grist, Ian Molyneaux, James
Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) Grylls, Michael Monro, Hector
Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) Hall, Sir John Montgomery, Fergus
Bradford, Rev Robert Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Moore, John (Croydon C)
Braine, Sir Bernard Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) More, Jasper (Ludlow)
Brittan, Leon Hampson, Dr Keith Morgan, Geraint
Brocklebank-Fowler, C. Hannam, John Morgan-Giles, Rear-Admiral
Brotherton, Michael Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss Morris, Michael (Northampton S)
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Hastings, Stephen Morrison, Charles (Devizes)
Bryan Sir Paul Havers, Sir Michael Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester)
Buchanan-Smith, Alick Hawkins, Paul Mudd, David
Buck, Antony Hayhoe, Barney Neave, Airey
Budgen, Nick Heath, Rt Hon Edward Nelson, Anthony
Bulmer, Esmond Heseltine, Michael Neubert, Michael
Burden F. A. Hicks, Robert Newton, Tony
Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Higgins, Terence L. Normanton, Tom
Hodgson, Robin Nott, John
Carlisle, Mark Holland, Philip Onslow, Cranley
Parson John Hooson, Emlyn Oppenheim, Mrs Sally
Chalker, Mrs Lynda Hordern, Peter Osborn, John
Channon, Paul Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Page, John (Harrow West)
Churchill, W. S. Howell, David (Guildford) Page Rt Hon R Graham (Crosby)
Clark Alan (Plymouth Sutton) Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) Page, Richard (Workington)
Clark, William (Croydon S) Howells. Geraint (Cardigan) Paisley, Rev Ian
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Hunt, David (Wirral) Pardoe, John
Clegg, Walter Hunt, John (Bromley) Pattie, Geoffrey
Cockcroft, John Hurd, Douglas Penhaligon, David
Cooke, Robert (Bristol) Hutchison, Michael Clark Percival, Ian
Cope, John Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) Peyton, Rt Hon John
Cordle, John n. James, David Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch
Cormack, Patrick Jenkin, Rt Hon P.(Wanst'd & W'df'd) Price David (Eastleigh)
Corrie, John Jessel Toby Prior, Rt Hon James
Costain, A. P. Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead) Pym, Rt Hon Francis
Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E) Johnston, Russell (Inverness) Raison, Timothy
Critchley, Julian Jones, Arthur (Daventry) Rathbone, Tim
Crouch, David Jopling, Michael Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal)
Crowder, F. P. Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Rees-Davies, W. R.
Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) Kaberry, Sir Donald Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts)
Dean, Paul (N Somerset) Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex)
Dodsworth, Geoffrey Kershaw, Anthony Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Kilfedder, James Ridley, Hon Nicholas
Drayson, Burnaby Kimball, Marcus Ridsdale, Julian
du Cann, Rt Hon Edward King, Evelyn (South Dorset) Rifkind, Malcolm
Dunlop, John King, Tom (Bridgwater) Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey
Durant, Tony Kirk, Sir Peter Roberts, Wyn (Conway)
Dykes, Hugh Kitson, Sir Timothy Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoakes)
Eden, Rt Hon Sir John Knight, Mrs Jill Ross, Shephen (Isle of Wight)
Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Knox, David Ross, William (Londonderry)
Elliott, Sir William Lamont, Norman Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Emery, Peter Lane, David Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire)
Eyre, Reginald Langford-Holt, Sir John Royle, Sir Anthony
Fairbairn, Nicholas Latham, Michael (Melton) Sainsbury, Tim
Fairgrieve, Russell Lawrence, Ivan St. John-Stevas, Norman
Farr, John Lawson, Nigel Scott, Nicholas
Fell, Anthony Le Marchant, Spencer Scott-Hopkins, James
Finsberg, Geoffrey Lester, Jim (Beeston) Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Fisher, Sir Nigel Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Shaw, Michael (Scarborough)
Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N) Lloyd, Ian Shelton, William (Streatham)
Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Loveridge, John Shepherd. Colin
Fookes, Miss Janet Luce, Richard Shersby, Michael
Forman, Nigel McAdden, Sir Stephen Silvester, Fred
Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) McCrindle, Robert Sims, Roger
Fox, Marcus McCusker, H. Sinclair, Sir George
Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St) Macfarlane, Neil Skeet, T. H. H.
Freud, Clement MacGregor, John Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Smith, Dudley (Warwick) Tebbit, Norman Wall, Patrick
Speed, Keith Temple-Morris, Peter Walters, Dennis
Spence, John Thatcher, Rt Ron Margaret Warren, Kenneth
Spicer, Jim (W Dorset) Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S) Weatherill, Bernard
Spicer, Michael (S Worcester) Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon) Wells, John
Sproat, lain Townsend, Cyril D. Whitelaw, Rt Hon William
Stanbrook, Ivor Trotter, Neville Wiggin, Jerry
Stanley, John Tugendhat, Christopher Winterton, Nicholas
Steel, David (Roxburgh) van Straubenzee, W. R Wood, Rt Hon Richard
Steen, Anthony (Wavertree) Vaughan, Dr Gerard Young, Sir G. (Ealing Acton)
Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) Viggers, Peter Younger, Hon George
Stokes, John Wainwright, Richard (Colne V)
Stradling Thomas, J. Wakenham, John TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Tapsell, Peter Walder, David (Clitheroe) Mr. Michael Roberts and
Taylor, R. (Croydon NW) Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester) Mr. Cecil Parkinson
Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart) Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek

Question accordingly agreed to.

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