HC Deb 29 July 1976 vol 916 cc932-9

Amendments made: No. 124, in page 51, line 4, leave out from 'but' to 'shall' in line 5 and insert: 'were not listed in the Stock Exchange Daily Official List on each of those days'.

No. 125, in page 51, line 6, leave out 'agreed' and insert 'determined by agreement'.— [Mr. Les Huck field.]

Amendment proposed: No. 293, in page 51, line 8, leave out from 'the' to end of line 14 and insert: 'fair price to pay for such securities taking into account all the circumstances of the acquired company, the base value of whose securities fall to be determined, including the

Division No. 298.] AYES [6.0 p.m.
Adley, Robert Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N) Lawrence, Ivan
Aitken, Jonathan Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Lawson, Nigel
Alison, Michael Fookes, Miss Janet Le Marchant, Spencer
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Forman, Nigel Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland)
Arnold, Tom Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) Lloyd, Ian
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Fox, Marcus Loveridge, John
Awdry, Daniel Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St) Luce, Richard
Baker, Kenneth Fry, Peter McCrindle, Robert
Banks, Robert Galbraith, Hon T. G. D. McCusker, H.
Bell, Ronald Gardiner, George (Reigate) Macfarlane, Neil
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) MacGregor, John
Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) Gilmour, Rt Hon Ian (Chesham) Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham)
Benyon, W. Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife) McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury)
Berry, Hon Anthony Glyn, Dr Alan McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest)
Biffen, John Godber, Rt Hon Joseph Madel, David
Biggs-Davison, John Goodhart, Philip Marshall, Michael (Arundel)
Blaker, Peter Goodhew, Victor Marten, Neil
Body, Richard Goodlad, Alastair Mates, Michael
Boscawen, Hon Robert Gorst, John Maude, Angus
Bottomley, Peter Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) Maudling, Rt Hon Reginald
Bowden, A, (Brighton, Kemplown) Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) Mawby, Ray
Boyson, Or Rhodes (Brent) Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin
Braine, Sir Bernard Gray, Hamish Mayhew, Patrick
Brittan, Leon Griffiths, Eldon Meyer, Sir Anthony
Brocklebank-Fowler, C. Grist, Ian Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove)
Brolherton, Michael Grylls, Michael Mills, Peter
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Hall, Sir John Miscampbell, Norman
Bryan, Sir Paul Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Mitchell, David (Basingstoke)
Buchanan-Smith, Alick Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Moate, Roger
Buck, Antony Hampson, Dr Keith Molyneaux, James
Budgen, Nick Hannam, John Monro, Hector
Bulmer, Esmond Harrison, Col Sir Harwood (Eye) Montgomery, Fergus
Burden, F. A. Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss Moore, John (Croydon C)
Butler, Adam (Bosworth) Hastings, Stephen More, Jasper (Ludlow)
Carlisle, Mark Havers, Sir Michael Morgan, Geraint
Carson, John Hawkins, Paul Morgan-Giles, Rear-Admiral
Chalker, Mrs Lynda Hayhoe, Barney Morris, Michael (Northampton S)
Churchill, W. S. Heath, Rt Hon Edward Morrison, Charles (Devizes)
Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) Heseltine, Michael Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester)
Clark, William (Croydon S) Hicks, Robert Mudd, David
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Higgins, Terence L. Neave, Airey
Clegg, Walter Holland, Philip Nelson, Anthony
Cockcroft, John Hordern, Peter Neubert, Michael
Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Newtnn, Tony
Cope,John Howell, David (Guildford) Normanton, Tom
Cordle, John H. Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) Nott, John
Cormack, Patrick Hunt, David (Wirral) Onslow, Cranley
Corrie, John Hunt, John (Bromley) Oppenheim, Mrs Sally
Costain, A. P. Hurd, Douglas Osborn, John
Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E) Hutchison, Michael Clark Page, John (Harrow West)
Critchley, Julian Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby)
Crouch, David James, David Paisley, Rev Ian
Crowder, F. P. Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd & W'df'd) Parkinson, Cecil
Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) Jessel, Toby Percival, Ian
Dean, Paul (N Somerset) Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead) Peyton, Rt Hon John
Dodsworth, Geoffrey Jones, Arthur (Daventry) Pink, R. Bonner
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Jopling, Michael Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch
Drayson, Burnaby Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Price, David (Eastleigh)
du Cann, Rt Hon Edward Kaberry, Sir Donald Prior, Rt Hon James
Dunlop, John Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine Pym, Rt Hon Francis
Durant, Tony Kershaw, Anthony Ralson, Timothy
Dykes, Hugh Kilfedder, James Rathbone, Tim
Eden, Rt Hon Sir John Kimball, Marcus Rawlinson, Rt Hon Sir Peter
Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) King, Evelyn (South Dorset) Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal)
Elliott, Sir William King, Tom (Bridgwater) Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts)
Emery, Peter Kirk, Sir Peter Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex)
Eyre, Reginald Kitson, Sir Timothy Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Fairbairn, Nicholas Knight, Mrs Jill Ridley, Hon Nicholas
Fairgrieve, Russell Knox, David Ridsdale, Julian
Farr, John Lament, Norman Rifkind, Malcolm
Fell, Anthony Lane, David Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)
Finsberg, Geoffrey Langford-Holt, Sir John Roberts, Wyn (Conway)
Fisher, Sir Nigel Latham, Michael (Melton) Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)

future prospects and the trading record of that company and its net assets'.—[Mr. Tom King.]

Question put, That the amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 276, Noes 329.

Ross, William (Londonderry) Spicer, Michael (S Worcester) Viggers, Peter
Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Sproat, Iain Wakenham, John
Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire) Stainton, Keith Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Royle, Sir Anthony Stanbrook, Ivor Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester)
Sainsbury, Tim Stanley, John Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek
St. John-Stevas, Norman Steen, Anthony (Wavertree) Wall, Patrick
Scott, Nicholas Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) Walters, Dennis
Scott-Hopkins, James Stokes, John Warren, Kenneth
Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) Stradling Thomas, J. Weatherill, Bernard
Shaw, Michael (Scarborough) Tapsell, Peter Wells, John
Shelton, William (Streatham) Taylor, R. (Croydon NW) Whitelaw, Rt Hon William
Shepherd, Colin Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart) Wiggin, Jerry
Shersby, Michael Tebbit, Norman Winterton, Nicholas
Silvester, Fred Temple-Morris, Peter Wood, Rt Hon Richard
Sims, Roger Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton)
Sinclair, Sir George Townsend, Cyril D. Younger, Hon George
Skeet, T. H. H. Trotter, Neville
Smith, Dudley (Warwick) Tugendhat, Christopher TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Speed, Keith van Straubenzee, W. R. Mr. Jim Lester and
Spence, John Vaughan, Dr Gerard Mr. Carol Mather.
Spicer, Jim (W Dorset)
NOES
Abse, Leo Davies, Ifor (Gower) Hooley, Frank
Allaun, Frank Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) Hooson, Emlyn
Anderson, Donald Deakins, Eric Horam, John
Archer, Peter Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) Howell, Rt Hon Denis (B'ham, Sm H)
Armstrong, Ernest de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Howells, Geraint (Cardigan)
Ashley, Jack Dell, Rt Hon Edmund Hoyle, Doug (Nelson)
Ashton, Joe Dempsey, James Huckfield, Les
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) Doig, Peter Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey)
Atkinson, Norman Dormand, J. D. Hughes, Mark (Durham)
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Douglas-Mann, Bruce Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N)
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel (Heywood) Duffy, A. E. P. Hughes, Roy (Newport)
Bates, Alt Dunn, James A. Hunt, John (Bromley)
Bean, R. E. Dunnett, Jack Hunter, Adam
Beith, A. J. Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill)
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Eadie, Alex Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford)
Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Edge, Geoff Jackson, Colin (Brighouse)
Bidwell, Sydney Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln)
Bishop, E. S. Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) Janner, Greville
Blenkinsop, Arthur Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) Jay, Rt Hon Douglas
Boardman, H. English, Michael Jenkins, Hugh (Putney)
Booth, Rt Hon Albert Ennals, David Jenkins, Rt Hon Roy (Stechford)
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Evans, Fred (Caerphilly) John, Brynmor
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) Johnson, James (Hull West)
Boyden, James (Bish Auck) Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) Johnson, Walter (Derby S)
Bradley, Tom Evans, John (Newton) Johnston, Russell (Inverness)
Bray, Dr Jeremy Ewing, Harry (Stirling) Jones, Alec (Rhondda)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Faulds, Andrew Jones, Barry (East Flint)
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. Jones, Dan (Burnley)
Brown, Ronald (Hackney S) Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Judd, Frank
Buchan, Norman Fitt, Gerard (Belfast W) Kaufman, Gerald
Buchanan, Richard Flannery, Martin Kelley, Richard
Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) Fletcher, L. R. (Ilkeston) Kerr, Russell
Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Kilroy-Silk, Robert
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Foot, Rt Hon Michael Kinnock, Neil
Campbell, Ian Ford, Ben Lambie, David
Canavan, Dennis Forrester, John Lamborn, Harry
Cant, R. B. Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) Lamond, James
Carmichael, Neil Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) Latham, Arthur (Paddington)
Carter, Ray Freeson, Reginald Leadbitter, Ted
Carter-Jones, Lewis Freud, Clement Lee, John
Cartwright, John Garrett, John (Norwich S) Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough)
Castle, Rt Hon Barbara Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) Lever, Rt Hon Harold
Clemitson, Ivor George, Bruce Lewis, Arthur (Newham, N)
Cocks, Michael (Bristol S) Gilbert, Dr John Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)
Cohen, Stanley Ginsburg, David Liplon, Marcus
Coleman, Donald Golding, John Litterick, Tom
Colquhoun, Ms Maureen Gould, Bryan Lomas, Kenneth
Concannon, J. D. Gourlay, Harry Loyden, Eddie
Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) Graham, Ted Luard, Evan
Corbett, Robin Grant, George (Morpeth) Lyon, Alexander (York)
Craigen, J. M. (Maryhill) Grant, John (Islington C) Lyons, Edward (Bradford W)
Crawford, Douglas Grimond, Rt Hon J. Mabon, Dr J. Dickson
Crawshaw, Richard Grocott, Bruce McCartney, Hugh
Cronin, John Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) MacCormick, Iain
Crosland, Rt Hon Anthony Hardy, Peter McDonald, Dr Oonagh
Crowther, Stan (Rotherham) Harrison, Waiter (Wakefield) MacFarquhar, Roderick
Cryer, Bob Hart, Rt Hon Judith McGuire, Michael (Ince)
Cunningham, G. (Islington S) Hatton, Frank MacKenzie, Gregor
Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiten) Hayman, Mrs [...] Mackintosh, John P.
Dalyell, Tam Healey, Rt Hon Denis Maclennan, Robert
Davidson, Arthur Heffer, Eric S. McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C)
Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) Henderson, Douglas McNamara, Kevin
Madden, Max Price, William (Rugby) Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW)
Magee, Bryan Radice, Giles Thompson, George
Maguire, Frank (Fermanagh) Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) Thorne, Stan (Preston South)
Mahon, Simon Richardson, Miss Jo Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon)
Mallalleu, J. P. W. Roberts, Albert (Normantun) Tierney, Sydney
Marks, Kenneth Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) Tinn, James
Marquand, David Robertson, John (Paisley) Tomlinson, John
Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Robinson, Geoffrey Tomney, Frank
Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) Roderick, Caerwyn Torney, Tom
Mason, Rt Hon Roy Rodgers, George (Chorley) Tuck, Raphael
Maynard, Miss Joan Rodgers, William (Stockton) Urwin, T. W.
Meacher, Michael Rooker, J. W. van Straubenzee, W. R.
Mellish, Rt Hon Robert Roper, John Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
Mendelson, John Rose, Paul B. Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)
Mikardo, Ian Ross, Stephen (Isle of Night) Wainwright, Richard (Colne V)
Millan, Bruce Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock) Walden, Brian (B'ham, L'dyw'd)
Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) Rowlands, Ted Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Miller, Mrs Millie (Illord N) Sandelson, Neville Waker, Terry (Kingswood)
Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) Sedgemore, Brian Ward, Michael
Moonman, Eric Selby, Harry Watkins, David
Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South) Watkinson, John
Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne) Watt, Hamish
Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) Shore, Rt Hon Peter Weetch, Ken
Moyle, Roland Short, Rt Hon E. (Newcastle C) Weitzman, David
Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE) Wellbeloved, James
Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) Welsh, Andrew
Newens, Stanley Silkin, Rt Hon S. C (Dulwich) White, Frank R. (Bury)
Noble, Mike Sillars, James White, James (Pollok)
Oakes, Gordon Silverman, Julius Whitehead, Phillip
Ogden, Eric Skinner, Dennis Whitlock, William
O'Halloran, Michael Small, William Wigley, Dafydd
Orbach, Maurice Smith, John (N Lanarkshire) Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Snape, Peter Williams, Alan (Swansea W)
Ovenden, John Spearing, Nigel Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Owen, Dr David Spriggs, Leslie Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford)
Padley, Walter Stallard, A. W. Williams, Sir Thomas
Palmer, Arthur Steel, David (Roxburgh) Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Pardoe, John Stewart, Donald (Western Isles) Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E)
Park, George Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham) Wilson, Rt Hon Sir Harold (Huyton)
Parker, John Stoddart, David Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Parry, Robert Stott, Roger Wise, Mrs Audrey
Pavitt, Laurie Strang, Gavin Woodall, Alec
Peart, Rt Hon Fred Strauss, Rt Hon G. R. Woof, Robert
Pendry, Tom Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley Wrigglesworth, Ian
Penhaligon, David Swain, Thomas Young, David (Bolton E)
Perry, Ernest Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)
Phipps, Dr Colin Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Prentice, Rt Hon Reg Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) Mr, Joseph Harper and
Prescott, John Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E) Mr, James Hamilton.
Price, C (Lewisham W)

Question accordingly negatived.

It being after Six o'clock, Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER proceeded, pursuant to the Order [20th July] and the Resolution [27th July], to put forthwith Questions necessary for the disposal of the Business to be concluded.

Amendments made: No. 126, in page 51, line 11, leave out from "days" to end of line 14 and insert—

"(1A) Subsections (2), (3), (4) and (6) of section 37 above shall have effect in relation to securities to which subsection (1) above applies as they have effect in relation to securities to which subsection (1) of that section applies.

(1B) The arbitration tribunal, in determining the base value that any securities would have had if they had been listed as mentioned in subsection (1) above, shall have regard to all relevant factors.".

No. 127, in page 51, line 18, after "class", insert— issued before the first of the relevant days".

No. 128, in page 51, line 21, at end insert— (2A) For the purposes of determining in accordance with subsection (1) above the base value of securities of any company, it shall be assumed that the assets of that company were not subject to any charge on any of the relevant days.".

No. 129, in page 51, line 22, leave out subsections (3) and (4).

No. 130, in page 52, line 16, leave out , within the meaning of section 154 of the Companies Act 1948,".

No. 131, in page 52, line 25, leave out wholly or partly appurtenant to an undertaking".

No. 132, in page 52, line 28, leave out "or (4)".

No. 133, in page 52, line 31, leave out were wholly or partly appurtenant to the undertaking in question and".

No. 134, in page 52, line 33, at end add and as would have satisfied a vesting condition for the purposes of the said section 20".

No. 135, in page 53, line 15, at end insert— (8A) Subject to subsection (8B) below, where securities of a new class have been issued after the last of the relevant days, the base value of the securities of that class for the purpose of section 35 above shall be deemed to be the price at which they were issued or, if they were issued free, shall be deemed to be nil; and

  1. (a) subsections (2) and (3) of section 37 above shall have effect in relation to any fresh issue or conversion of securities of the new class, and
  2. (b) subsections (4) to (6) of that section shall have effect for the purposes of this subsection.
(8B) Where—
  1. (a) apart from this subsection the base value of securities would fall to be ascertained under subsection (8A) above, and
  2. (b) they were issued for a consideration consisting in whole or in part of the transfer to the company by which they were issued (in this subsection referred to as 'the transferee') of the whole or any part of an undertaking of another company (in this subsection referred to as 'the transferor') which at the date of that transfer was a member of the same group of companies as the transferee,
the base value shall instead be determined in accordance with subsection (1) above, on the assumptions—
  1. (i) that the securities were in existence on each of the relevant days; and
  2. (ii) that on each of the relevant days the undertaking of the transferee included the whole or, as the case may require, the part of the undertaking carried on on that day by the transferor which then corresponded to the undertaking or part thereof transferred to the transferee by way of consideration for the issue of the securities; and
  3. (iii) that, in any case where the transfer of the undertaking or part thereof formed only part of the consideration for the issue of the securities, the remainder of that consideration was an asset of the transferee on each of the relevant days.'.—[Mr. Kaufman.]

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