§ Mr. Teddy TaylorI beg to move Amendment No. 14, in page 12, line 5, at end insert—
'(1A) Any person or body required to provide information under subsection (1) above shall be entitled to obtain compensation from the Agency for expenses reasonably incurred in providing and obtaining the said information'.Clause 11 gives the Agency power to send a notice to people or companies who occupy premises or obtains rent from them to give information about their own interest and the name and address of anyone else known to them as having an interest in the premises, whether as superior, owner, heritable creditor, lessee or otherwise. Failure to do this can result in a fine of £100, and a knowing mis-statement can bring a fine of £400 or two years' imprisonment.If any hon. Member received a notice of this sort, the first thing he would do would be to see a lawyer. Expense might be involved, and I am suggesting in the amendment that reasonable legal costs involved in getting this information should
§ be paid by the Agency. This would be a protection for the public and would prevent the Agency from asking for too much unnecessary information.
§ Mr. MillanThe provision in Clause 11 is a common form for any enactment which confers powers of compulsory acquisition. [Interruption.] I do not know where the right hon. Member for Yeovil (Mr. Peyton) has come from. If he wants to make an intelligent or intelligible contribution, perhaps he would care to stand up. We have done quite well without his presence during the rest of the day.
All that is required under this clause is that the person concerned should state his interest in the land—whether he is an occupier or a landlord—and he is not obliged to carry out expensive surveys to find out any information. There is no reason why he should be entitled to obtain compensation for what would be basically writing a letter to the Agency telling it of his interest.
§ Mr. Teddy TaylorThat reply is quite unsatisfactory. It is not just a question of a person's own interest. He must give details of other people known to him. We are going too far in forcing people to give information and making them liable to heavy penalties if they do not. We can stop this by voting for the amendment.
§ Question put, That the amendment be made:—
§ The House divided: Ayes 177, Noes 224.
387| Division No. 349.] | AYES | [10.40 p.m. |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Costain, A. P. | Galbraith, Hon. T. G. D. |
| Arnold, Tom | Crouch, David | Gardiner, George (Reigate) |
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) | Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) |
| Banks, Robert | Dean, Paul (N Somerset) | Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife) |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Dodsworth, Geoffrey | Glyn, Dr Alan |
| Bitten, John | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Godber, Rt Hon Joseph |
| Body, Richard | Drayson, Burnaby | Goodhart, Philip |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | du Cann, Rt Hon Edward | Goodhew, Victor |
| Bottomley, Peter | Durant, Tony | Goodlad, Alastair |
| Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) | Eden, Rt Hon Sir John | Gorst, John |
| Bovson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) | Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) |
| Brittan, Leon | Elliott, Sir William | Gray, Hamish |
| Brotherton, Michael | Emery, Peter | Grieve, Percy |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick | Eyre, Reginald | Grimond, Rt Hon J. |
| Bulmer, Esmond | Fairbairn, Nicholas | Grist, Ian |
| Carlisle, Mark | Fairgrieve, Russell | Hall, Sir John |
| Churchill, W. S. | Farr, John | Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) |
| Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) | Finsberg, Geoffrey | Hampson, Dr Keith |
| Clark, William (Croydon S) | Fisher, Sir Nigel | Hannam, John |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Hastings, Stephen |
| Cockcroft, John | Fookes, Miss Janet | Havers, Sir Michael |
| Cooks Robert (Bristol W) | Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) | Hawkins, Paul |
| Cope John | Fox, Marcus | Hayhoe, Barney |
| Cordle, John H. | Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St) | Heseltine, Michael |
| Hicks, Robert | Meyer, Sir Anthony | Scott, Nicholas |
| Higgins, Terence L. | Mills, Peter | Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) |
| Hordern, Peter | Miscampbell, Norman | Shelton, William (Streatham) |
| Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Moate, Roger | Shepherd, Colin |
| Hunt, John | Montgomery, Fergus | Shersby, Michael |
| Hutchison, Michael Clark | Moore, John (Croydon C) | Sims, Roger |
| Irving, Charles (Cheltenham) | More, Jasper (Ludlow) | Sinclair, Sir George |
| James, David | Morgan, Geraint | Skeet, T. H. H. |
| Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd & W'df'd) | Morgan-Giles, Rear-Admiral | Smith, Cyril (Rochdale) |
| Jessel, Toby | Morris, Michael (Northampton S) | Smith, Dudley (Warwick) |
| Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead) | Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester) | Speed, Keith |
| Jopling, Michael | Mudd, David | Sproat, Iain |
| Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Neave, Airey | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Kilfedder, James | Nelson, Anthony | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
| Kimball, Marcus | Neubert, Michael | Stokes, John |
| King, Tom (Bridgwater) | Newton, Tony | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Knight, Mrs. Jill | Nott, John | Taylor. Teddy (Cathcart) |
| Knox, David | Oppenheim, Mrs Sally | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| Lamont, Norman | Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) | Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S) |
| Latham, Michael (Melton) | Parkinson, Cecil | Thorpe, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S) |
| Lawrence, Ivan | Pattie, Geoffrey | Townsend, Cyril D. |
| Lawson, Nigel | Penhaligon, David | Trotter, Neville |
| Lester Jim (Beeston) | Percival, Ian | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Loveridge, John | Peyton, Rt Hon John | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| Macfarlane, Neil | Pink, R. Bonner | Viggers, Peter |
| MacGregor, John | Price, David (Eastleigh) | Wakeham, John |
| Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) | Pym, Rt Hon Francis | Walder, David (Clitheroe) |
| McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) | Raison, Timothy | Wells, John |
| McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) | Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Madel, David | Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) | Wood, Rt Hon Richard |
| Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Rifkind Malcolm | Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton) |
| Marten, Neil | Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey | Younger, Hon George |
| Mates, Michael | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) | |
| Mather, Carol | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Mawby, Ray | Sainsbury, Tim | Mr. Adam Butler and |
| Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | St. John-Stevas, Norman | Mr. Fred Silvester |
| Mayhew, Patrick | ||
| NOES | ||
| Allaun, Frank | Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | Hunter, Adam |
| Anderson, Donald | Delargy, Hugh | Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford) |
| Archer, Peter | Dempsey, James | Jackson, Colin (Brighouse) |
| Armstrong. Ernest | Doig, Peter | Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) |
| Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) | Dormand, J. D. | Janner, Greville |
| Atkinson, Norman | Douglas-Mann, Bruce | Jay, Rt Hon Douglas |
| Bain. Mrs Margaret | Dunnett, Jack | Jeger, Mrs Lena |
| Bean, R. E. | Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth | Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) |
| Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) | Eadie, Alex | John, Brynmor |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Edge, Geoff | Johnson, Walter (Derby S) |
| Bishop, E. S. | English, Michael | Jones, Alec (Rhondda) |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Ennals, David | Jones, Barry (East Flint) |
| Boardman, H. | Evans, Gwynfor (Carmarthen) | Jones, Dan (Burnley) |
| Booth. Albert | Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) | Kaufman, Gerald |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Ewing, Harry (Stirling) | Kelley, Richard |
| Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. | Kilroy-Silk, Robert |
| Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) | Fitch, Alan (Wigan) | Kinnock, Neil |
| Buchanan, Richard | Fitt, Gerard (Belfast W) | Lambie, David |
| Campbell, Ian | Flannery, Martin | Lamborn, Harry |
| Canavan, Dennis | Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) | Lamond, James |
| Cant, R. B. | Forrester, John | Latham, Arthur (Paddington) |
| Carmichael, Neil | Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) | Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) |
| Carter, Ray | Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) | Lipton, Marcus |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis | Freeson, Reginald | Litterick, Tom |
| Cartwright, John | Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) | Lomas, Kenneth |
| Castle, Rt Hon Barbara | George, Bruce | Loyden, Eddie |
| Clemitson, Ivor | Gilbert, Dr John | Luard, Evan |
| Cocks, Michael (Bristol S) | Ginsburg, David | Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) |
| Cohen, Stanley | Gould, Bryan | McCartney, Hugh |
| Coleman, Donald | Gourlay, Harry | MacCormick, Iain |
| Conlan, Bernard | Graham, Ted | McElhone, Frank |
| Coot, Robin F. (Edin C) | Grant, George (Morpeth) | MacFarquhar, Roderick |
| Corbett, Robin | Grocott, Bruce | McGuire, Michael (Ince) |
| Cox, Thomas (Tooting) | Harper, Joseph | Maclennan, Robert |
| Craigen, J. M. (Maryhill) | Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) | McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) |
| Crawford, Douglas | Hart, Rt Hon Judith | McNamara, Kevin |
| Crawshaw, Richard | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy | Madden, Max |
| Crosland, Rt Hon Anthony | Hatton, Frank | Magee, Bryan |
| Cryer, Bob | Hayman, Mrs Helena | Mallalieu, J. P. W. |
| Cunningham, G. (Islington S) | Henderson, Douglas | Marquand, David |
| Davidson, Arthur | Horam, John | Marshall, Dr. Edmund (Goole) |
| Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) | Howell, Denis (B'ham, Sm H) | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) |
| Davies, Denzil (Llanelli) | Hoyle, Doug (Nelson) | Maynard, Miss Joan |
| Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) | Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) | Meacher, Michael |
| Deakins, Eric | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N) | Mellish, Rt Hon Robert |
| Mikardo, Ian | Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) | Thompson, George |
| Millan, Bruce | Robertson, John (Paisley) | Tierney, Sydney |
| Miller, Or M. S. (E. Kilbride) | Roderick, Caerwyn | Tinn, James |
| Miller, Mrs Millie (Ilford N) | Rodgers, George (Chorley) | Tomlinson, John |
| Molloy, William | Rodgers, William (Stockton) | Torney, Tom |
| Moonman, Eric | Rooker, J. W. | Varley, Rt Hon Eric G. |
| Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) | Rose, Paul B. | Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V) |
| Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) | Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilmarnock) | Walden, Brian (B'ham, L'dyw'd) |
| Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Sandelson, Neville | Walker, Terry (Kingswood) |
| Moyle, Roland | Sedgemore, Brian | Watkins, David |
| Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick | Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South) | Watkinson, John |
| Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King | Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne) | Watt, Hamish |
| Newens, Stanley | Short, Rt Hon E. (Newcastle C) | Weetch, Ken |
| Noble, Mike | Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE) | Wellbeloved, James |
| Oakes, Gordon | Silkin, Rt Hon John (Wolv NE) | Welsh, Andrew |
| Ogden, Eric | Sillars, James | White, James (Pollok) |
| O'Malley, Rt Hon Brian | Silverman, Julius | Whitlock, William |
| Orbach, Maurice | Skinner, Dennis | Wigley, Dafydd |
| Ovenden, John | Small, William | Willey, Rt Hon Frederick |
| Padley, Walter | Snape, Peter | Williams, Alan (Swansea W) |
| Park, George | Spearing, Nigel | Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch) |
| Parker, John | Spriggs, Leslie | Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton) |
| Parry, Robert | Stallard, A. W. | Wilson. Gordon (Dundee E) |
| Pavitt, Laurie | Stoddart, David | Wise, Mrs. Audrey |
| Peart, Rt Hon Fred | Stott, Roger | Wool, Robert |
| Perry, Ernest | Strang, Gavin | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Phipps, Dr Colin | Strauss, Rt Hon G. R. | Young, David (Bolton E) |
| Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) | Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley | |
| Reid, George | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Richardson, Miss Jo | Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) | Mr. James Hamilton and |
| Roberts, Albert (Normanton) | Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW) | Mr. James A. Dunn |
§ Question accordingly negatived.