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Motion made, and Question put forthwith, pursuant to Order this day,
That this House authorises an experiment in the public broadcasting of its proceedings by television, to be held in accordance with conditions approved by the Select Committee on House of Commons (Services).—[Mr. Edward Short.]
§ The House divided: Ayes 263, Noes 275.
177| Division No. 102.] | AYES | [10.15 p.m. |
| Aitken, Jonathan | Carr, Rt Hon Robert | Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) |
| Allaun, Frank | Carter, Ray | English, Michael |
| Amery, Rt Hon Julian | Cartwright, John | Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) |
| Archer, Peter | Castle, Rt Hon Barbara | Eyre, Reginald |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Chalker, Mrs Lynda | Farr, John |
| Ashley, Jack | Churchill, W. S. | Fitt, Gerard (Belfast W) |
| Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) | Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) | Flannery, Martin |
| Atkinson, Norman | Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Fletcher, Alex (Edinburgh N) |
| Awdry, Daniel | Clegg, Walter | Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) |
| Baker, Kenneth | Clemitson, Ivor | Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Colquhoun, Mrs Maureen | Fletcher-Cooke, Charles |
| Barnett, Rt Hon Joel | Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) | Fookes, Miss Janet |
| Bates, Alf | Corbett, Robin | Foot, Rt Hon Michael |
| Bean, R. E. | Cox, Thomas (Tooting) | Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) |
| Beith, A. J. | Critchley, Julian | Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) |
| Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood | Crosland, Rt Hon Anthony | Fox, Marcus |
| Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) | Crouch, David | Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) |
| Berry, Hon Anthony | Cryer, Bob | Freud, Clement |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh) | Gardner, George (Reigate) |
| Blaker, Peter | Dalyell, Tam | Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Davidson, Arthur | George, Bruce |
| Body, Richard | Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) | Golding, John |
| Booth, Albert | Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) | Gorst, John |
| Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur | Deakins, Eric | Gould, Bryan |
| Bray, Dr Jeremy | Dean, Paul (N Somerset) | Graham, Ted |
| Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) | Dempsey, James | Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) |
| Bryan, Sir Paul | Dodsworth, Geoffrey | Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) |
| Buchan, Norman | Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James | Hamling, William |
| Buck, Antony | Douglas-Mann, Bruce | Hampson, Dr Keith |
| Budgen, Nick | du Cann, Rt Hon Edward | Hannam, John |
| Butler, Adam (Bosworth) | Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth | Hattersley, Rt Hon Roy |
| Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) | Durant, Tony | Hatton, Frank |
| Callaghan, Rt Hon J. (Cardiff SE) | Eden, Rt Hon Sir John | Havers, Sir Michael |
| Canavan, Dennis | Edge, Geoff | Hayhoe, Barney |
| Carlisle, Mark | Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) | Hayman, Mrs Helene |
| Carmichael, Neil | Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) | Healey, Rt Hon Denis |
| Heffer, Eric S. | Molloy, William | Shelton, William (Streatham) |
| Heseltine, Michael | Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) | Short, Rt Hon E. (Newcastle C) |
| Hooley, Frank | Morris, Rt Hon J. (Aberavon) | Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE) |
| Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Morris, Michael (Northampton S) | Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) |
| Howell, David (Guildford) | Morrison, Charles (Devizes) | Sims, Roger |
| Howell, Denis (B'ham, Sm H) | Moyle, Roland | Skinner, Dennis |
| Hoyle, Doug (Nelson) | Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick | Smith, Cyril (Rochdale) |
| Huckfield, Les | Neave, Airey | Smith, Dudley (Warwick) |
| Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N) | Nelson, Anthony | Smith, John (N Lanarkshire) |
| Hurd, Douglas | Newens, Stanley | Speed, Keith |
| Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford) | Newton, Tony | Sproat, Iain |
| Jackson, Colin (Brighouse) | Noble, Mike | Stallard, A. W. |
| Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) | O'Halloran, Michael | Stanley, John |
| Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) | Onslow, Cranley | Steel, David (Roxburgh) |
| Jenkins, Rt Hon Roy (Stechford) | Ovenden, John | Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham) |
| Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead) | Owen, Dr David | Stott, Roger |
| Jones, Alec (Rhondda) | Palmer, Arthur | Strang, Gavin |
| Kaufman, Gerald | Pardoe, John | Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W) |
| Kilroy-Silk, Robert | Park, George | Temple-Morris, Peter |
| King, Tom (Bridgwater) | Parker, John | Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E) |
| Kinnock, Neil | Parry, Robert | Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW) |
| Lambie, David | Pattie, Geoffrey | Thorne, Stan (Preston South) |
| Lamont, Norman | Penhaligon, David | Thorpe, Rt Hon Jeremy (N Devon) |
| Lane, David | Peyton, Rt Hon John | Tierney, Sydney |
| Lawson, Nigel | Prentice, Rt Hon Reg | Tomlinson, John |
| Le Marchant, Spencer | Prescott, John | Torney, Tom |
| Lester, Jim (Beeston) | Price, William (Rugby) | Townsend, Cyril D. |
| Prior, Rt Hon James | Tugendhat, Christopher | |
| Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) | Radice, Giles | Varley, Rt Hon Eric G. |
| Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) | Raison, Timothy | Viggers, Peter |
| Luard, Evan | Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) | Wainwright, Richard (Colne V) |
| Luce, Richard | Reid, George | Walden, Brian (B'ham, L'dyw'd) |
| Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) | Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon | Walder, David (Clitheroe) |
| Mabon, Dr J. Dickson | Richardson, Miss Jo | Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester) |
| McCrindle, Robert | Ridley, Hon Nicholas | Watkinson, John |
| Mackenzie, Gregor | Ridsdale, Julian | Weatherill, Bernard |
| Mackintosh, John P. | Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey | Weetch, Ken |
| Maclennan, Robert | Roberts, Wyn (Conway) | White, Frank R. (Bury) |
| Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) | Rodgers, George (Chorley) | Whitelaw, Rt Hon William |
| McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) | Rodgers, William (Stockton) | Williams, Alan (Swansea W) |
| Madden, Max | Rooker, J. W. | Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford) |
| Magee, Bryan | Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) | Wilson, Rt Hon H. (Huyton) |
| Marks, Kenneth | Wilson, William (Coventry SE) | |
| Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Marshall, Michael (Arundel) | Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire) | Wise, Mrs Audrey |
| Mates, Michael | Rowlands, Ted | Wood, Rt Hon Richard |
| Mayhew, Patrick | Sainsbury, Tim | Wrigglesworth, Ian |
| Meacher, Michael | St. John-Stevas, Norman | Young, David (Bolton E) |
| Mellish, Rt Hon Robert | Sandelson, Neville | Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton) |
| Meyer, Sir Anthony | Scott, Nicholas | |
| Mikardo, Ian | Sedgemore, Brian | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: |
| Millan, Bruce | Selby, Harry | Mr. Tim Rathbone and |
| Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) | Shaw, Giles (Pudsey) | Mr. Phillip Whitehead. |
| Miller, Mrs Millie (Ilford N) | Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne) | |
| NOES | ||
| Abse, Leo | Buchanan-Smith, Alick | Dell, Rt Hon Edmund |
| Adley, Robert | Burden, F. A. | Doig, Peter |
| Anderson, Donald | Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) | Dormand, J. D. |
| Ashton, Joe | Campbell, Ian | Drayson, Burnaby |
| Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) | Cant, R. B. | Dunn, James A. |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Carter-Jones, Lewis | Dunnett, Jack |
| Banks, Robert | Channon, Paul | Dykes, Hugh |
| Bell, Ronald | Clark, William (Croydon S) | Eadie, Alex |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) | Cockcroft, John | Edelman, Maurice |
| Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) | Cocks, Michael (Bristol S) | Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke} |
| Benyon, W. | Cohen, Stanley | Elliott, Sir William |
| Biffen, John | Coleman, Donald | Emery, Peter |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Conlan, Bernard | Evans, John (Newton) |
| Bishop, E. S. | Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) | Ewing, Harry (Stirling) |
| Boardman, H. | Cormack, Patrick | Fairbairn, Nicholas |
| Boothroyd, Miss Betty | Corrie, John | Fairgrieve, Russell |
| Boscawen, Hon Robert | Costain, A. P. | Faulds, Andrew |
| Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) | Craigen, J. M. (Maryhill) | Fell, Anthony |
| Boyden, James (Bish Auck) | Crawshaw, Richard | Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. |
| Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) | Cronin, John | Finsberg, Geoffrey |
| Bradley, Tom | Crowder, F. P. | Fisher, Sir Nigel |
| Brittan, Leon | Cunningham, G. (Islington S) | Ford, Ben |
| Brotherton, Michael | Davies, Denzil (Llanelli) | Forrester, John |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) | Freeson, Reginald |
| Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) | Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) | Fry, Peter |
| Brown, Ronald (Hackney S) | de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey | Garrett, John (Norwich S) |
| Buchanan, Richard | Delargy, Hugh | Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) |
| Gilbert, Dr John | Lawrence, Ivan | Rose, Paul B. |
| Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife) | Leadbitter, Ted | Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilm'nock) |
| Ginsburg, David | Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Ross, William (Londonderry) |
| Glyn, Dr Alan | Lipton, Marcus | Royle, Sir Anthony |
| Goodhart, Philip | Lloyd, Ian | Ryman, John |
| Goodhew, Victor | Lomas, Kenneth | Scott-Hopkins, James |
| Goodlad, Alastair | Lyon, Alexander (York) | Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South) |
| Gourlay, Harry | McAdden, Sir Stephen | Shepherd, Colin |
| Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) | McCartney, Hugh | Shersby, Michael |
| Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) | McElhone, Frank | Silverman, Julius |
| Grant, George (Morpeth) | Macfarlane, Neil | Silvester, Fred |
| Gray, Hamish | MacFarquhar, Roderick | Sinclair, Sir George |
| Grieve, Percy | McGuire, Michael (Ince) | Skeet, T. H. H. |
| Griffiths, Eldon | McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) | Small, William |
| Grist, Ian | McNair-Wilson, P. (New Forest) | Snape, Peter |
| Grocott, Bruce | Mahon, Simon | Spearing, Nigel |
| Grylls, Michael | Marquand, David | Spence, John |
| Hall, Sir John | Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) | Spicer, Michael (S Worcester) |
| Hamilton, James (Bothwell) | Marten, Neil | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) | Mather, Carol | Stainton, Keith |
| Hardy, Peter | Maude, Angus | Stanbrook, Ivor |
| Harper, Joseph | Maudling, Rt Hon Reginald | Steen, Anthony (Wavertree) |
| Harrison, Col Sir Harwood (Eye) | Mawby, Ray | Stewart, Donald (Western Isles) |
| Harrison, Waller (Wakefield) | Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin | Stewart, Ian (Hitchin) |
| Hart, Rt Hon Judith | Mendelson, John | Stoddart, David |
| Hastings, Stephen | Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) | Stokes, John |
| Hicks, Robert | Mills, Peter | Stradling Thomas, J. |
| Higgins, Terence L. | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) | Strauss, Rt Hon G. R. |
| Holland, Philip | Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) | Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley |
| Horam, John | Moate, Roger | Swain, Thomas |
| Hordern, Peter | Molyneaux, James | Tapsell, Peter |
| Howell, Ralph (North Norfolk) | Monro, Hector | Taylor, R. (Croydon NW) |
| Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) | Montgomery, Fergus | Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart) |
| Hughes, Mark (Durham) | Moonman, Eric | Tebbit, Norman |
| Hughes, Roy (Newport) | Moore, John (Croydon C) | Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret |
| Hunt, John | More, Jasper (Ludlow) | Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) |
| Hunter, Adam | Morgan, Geraint | Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S) |
| Hutchison, Michael Clark | Morrison, Hon Peter (Chester) | Thompson, George |
| Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) | Mudd, David | Tinn, James |
| James, David | Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King | Tomney, Frank |
| Janner, Greville | Neubert, Michael | Trotter, Neville |
| Jay, Rt Hon Douglas | Normanton, Tom | Vaughan, Dr Gerard |
| Jeger, Mrs Lena | Nott, John | Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V) |
| Jenkin, Rt Hon P. (Wanst'd & W'df'd) | Ogden, Eric | Wakeham, John |
| Jessel, Toby | O'Malley, Rt Hon Brian | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| John, Brynmor | Orbach, Maurice | Walker, Terry (Kingswood) |
| Johnson, James (Hull West) | Osborn, John | Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek |
| Johnson, Walter (Derby S) | Padley, Walter | Wall, Patrick |
| Jones, Arthur (Daventry) | Page, John (Harrow West) | Ward, Michael |
| Jones, Barry (East Flint) | Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) | Warren, Kenneth |
| Jones, Dan (Burnley) | Pavitt, Laurie | Watt, Hamish |
| Jopling, Michael | Peart, Rt Hon Fred | Weitzman, David |
| Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith | Pendry, Tom | Wellbeloved, James |
| Judd, Frank | Percival, Ian | Wells, John |
| Kaberry, Sir Donald | Pink, R. Bonner | White, James (Pollok) |
| Whitlock, William | ||
| Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine | Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch | Willey, Rt Hon Frederick |
| Kelley, Richard | Price C. (Lewisham W) | Williams, W. T. (Warrington) |
| Kershaw, Anthony | Pym, Rt Hon Francis | Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton) |
| Kimball, Marcus | Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) | Woodall, Alec |
| King, Evelyn (South Dorset) | Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex) | Woof, Robert |
| Kitson, Sir Timothy | Rifkind, Malcolm | Younger, Hon George |
| Lamborn, Harry | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) | |
| Lamond, James | Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Langford-Holt, Sir John | Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) | Rear-Admiral Morgan-Giles and |
| Latham, Arthur (Paddington) | Robertson, John (Paisley) | Dr. Colin Phipps. |
| Latham, Michael (Melton) | Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) |
§ Question accordingly negatived.