HC Deb 12 February 1975 vol 886 cc541-63

11.45 p.m.

Mr. Brittan

I beg to move, Amendment No. 7, in page 2, line 45, leave out from 'have' to end of line 47 and insert 'been identified as such by the parties to the agreement or arrangement by reference to any characteristic or circumstance they have in common'. The amendment relates to the definition of a union membership agreement. It is of considerable importance because in effect it is the definition of a union membership agreement which defines the permissible extent of the closed shop.

Mr. Deputy Speaker (Mr. Oscar Murton)

Order. Will hon. and right hon. Members who do not wish to participate in the debate please leave the Chamber quietly.

Mr. Brittan

Only if the agreement comes within the definition of a union membership agreement in the Bill does the closed shop have legal effect in the sense that the dismissal of a person covered by it has to be regarded as fair.

Today, in attempting to mitigate the effects of the closed shop, we have followed several routes, all of which have been rejected and voted down by the Government. We have attempted to prevent the closed shop in journalism, and we have attempted to prevent the dismissal of a person who is not a union member from being reckoned as fair. All that has been to no avail.

In Committee the Government accepted that there was a problem, and they sought to remedy it by introducing amendments at a late stage with very little notice. Those amendments were passed in Committee, but we made clear that in view of the haste with which they were put forward it would be necessary to return to the matter on Report. I have moved an amendment to one of the Government's amendments which, on reflection, we think will make it more likely that the effect at which the Government are aiming will be achieved.

One reason for the group of amendments put forward by the Government in Committee was to make clear that it was possible to have a closed shop agreement whereby the parties agreed to exclude from the scope of the agreement certain people or groups of people who might otherwise have been included within its terms. I will not quote from the Committee proceedings, but the Minister of State will remember what he said. The purpose of those amendments was to enable persons and groups of people to be excluded from the scope of union membership agreements.

Attention has so far been given to the situation of journalists in relation to the Bill, but there are other groups concerned about the operation of a union membership agreement in the fullest sense of the word. Among them are professional engineers in local government and water services. They have objections to being included in the scope of the union membership agreement with all the other local government officials. Their first objection is that the principal chief officers of local authorities, including directors of technical services, such as borough engineers and so on, act in a quasi-employer rôle to many of the staff in a local authority and therefore cannot exercise a proper management function if they are forced to belong to a trade union, to whose disciplinary procedures they would be subject in a closed shop situation.

The second matter for concern is that professional officers in local government, particularly chartered engineers, are subject to a code of professional conduct. The code of conduct for engineers provides that they will do nothing to endanger public health or public safety, which is a real protection for the public. But this could create a major conflict for water engineers if they are forced to belong to a trade union which advocated action in direct opposition to their code of professional conduct. Similarly, in the case of chief executives of local authorities, objection arises to their being compelled by union membership agreements to belong to the same union as all other employees.

Mr. Walter Johnson (Derby, South)

Will the hon. Gentleman take account of the fact that for many years in the transport industry one union, the Transport Salaried Staffs Association, of which I happen to be an honorary national officer, has catered for all staff from clerks to senior officers? The way we deal with the situation is that officers and senior management staff have been allowed to have their own individual branch, but they still are members of the same organisation. It presents no problem whatever.

Mr. Brittan

I appreciate that that is the case in that industry and it is one way of dealing with the situation. It may not always be appropriate. As I understand the situation, amendments introduced by the Government in Committee were designed to deal with the situation I have described to make it more possible for there to be a union membership agreement which possibly excludes certain classes.

There are similar objections raised by local authority chief executives and by members of the steel industry's management association who have been pressed by the Iron and Steel Trades Confederation to belong to a certain union. The matter has also been raised in the councils of engineering institutions.

The question now to be considered is whether those bodies have benefited from the change in legislation. We consider that there is room for doubt whether any further definition is helpful. It is highly arguable that any such further definition makes the position worse. By saying that more informal agreements, with exceptions, can amount to a union membership agreement binding in law, we are making clear that those covered by an agreement can be dismissed with impunity, whereas before the provision was introduced there was doubt whether such looser arrangements were covered by the definition at all. Of course, if they were not covered by the definition, the whole arrangement might not constitute a union membership agreement, and then no one purporting to be covered by it could be dismissed fairly under the provisions of the Act.

Against that must be weighed the argument of the Government that by having a definition of a union membership agreement which permits more flexible arrangements to count as such an agreement, such arrangements are encouraged and a larger group of people in this more flexible type of arrangement will be excluded from the closed shop or permitted to remain members of a minority union. That was the case put forward by the Government in favour of their amendment. It is with that in view that the Government introduced their amendment. In this further amendment, the Opposition suggest that this change is required because we do not believe that the Government's amendment achieves what it sets out to do.

As the Government's amendment appears in the Bill, it reads: It is hereby declared that for the purposes of this Act employees are to be treated as belonging to the same class if they have any characteristics in common or can be identified by reference to any circumstances common to them. The wording is mandatory, and there is a risk that it will have the opposite effect from that intended. It appears to take discretion away from the parties.

The intention of the amendment was supposed to be to allow the parties to exclude certain categories of employees from a closed shop, but here it is provided that persons with any characteristics in common are to be included within the same class. That is bound to encourage pressure to extend the scope of a closed shop agreement to all employees who have any characteristics or circumstances in common. The case of the NUJ and the editors is a good example. The question which would have to be considered in any negotiation is whether editors should be included in a union membership agreement.

The argument against is that editors are doing a significantly different job. They are wholly responsible for bringing out the paper and, therefore, should not be included in the agreement. But, as this provision stands, it would reinforce the contrary militant argument. It appears to say that they should be treated in exactly the same way, because clearly editors have many characteristics and circumstances in common and, according to the Bill, they belong to the same class if they have any characteristics in common or can be identified by reference to any circumstances common to them.

We feel that it is better to make it clear that it should be open to the parties to the agreement to specify the class covered by reference to peculiar characteristics and circumstances. Our amendment would truly have the effect that the Government said they sought in Committee and would make it possible to exclude agreed classes from the operation of the closed shop, to that extent mitigating the effect of the closed shop.

The amendment will not guarantee that militant unions will agree to operate agreements excluding such classes, but it will at least make it possible for them to do so and still retain the advantages and principle that they believe to exist with regard to the closed shop.

12 midnight.

Mr. Booth

The hon. Member for Cleveland and Whitby (Mr. Brittan) has pointed out that this is an amendment to a change made in Committee by a Government amendment. That change sought to make it certain that a class of employees covered by a union membership agreement could be identified by any common characteristics or circumstances.

This amendment aims to make clear that common characteristics or circumstances used to identify a class are those agreed on by the parties to the union membership agreement. This definition or qualification of class can be used for the purpose of identifying a group for exclusion from, or for identifying a group for inclusion within, the provisions of a membership agreement.

The amendment would seek to ensure that a class would not be identified by any characteristics which apply to it in common, irrespective of whether there is a union membership agreement.

I understand that there are fears that a group of employees might be covered although they had little in common with the main group of employees covered by the membership agreement. I also understand the fears the hon. Member expressed, not only on the basis of his submission, but because I have tested it by talking to representatives of small unions or groups which might be affected by it. I understand that the fear is genuine and that there is reasonable doubt about how the change made in Committee might be interpreted.

Because the Government's amendment in Committee sought to create greater flexibility for those negotiating union membership agreements, we shall always be prepared to look at and accept amendments which improve the presentation of the Bill and make more certain that the purpose can be achieved.

Without carping about the way this amendment was presented, we have a certain slight drafting difficulty with it. On reading it, the wording of the amendment is better than our own in the Bill and I am therefore willing, if it will meet the wishes of those who tabled it, to accept it completely in principle. If they are prepared to withdraw it, I am prepared to give an undertaking on behalf of the Government to put down an amendment in another place which will completely cover the point made in this amendment.

Mr. Hayhoe

On that undertaking, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.

Mr. Deputy Speaker

It has to be withdrawn by the proposer.

Mr. Brittan

I beg leave to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Mr. Tugendhat

I beg to move Amendment No. 8, in page 3, line 4, at end insert 'and after the words "religious belief" there shall be inserted the words "or conscience"'.

We are reaching the end of a long and rather tiring day on a long and rather tiring Bill, coming on top, as it did, of a similar Bill that we dealt with in the summer. The Secretary of State said earlier that the fact that one felt strongly on a subject need not necessarily be reflected in the length of one's speech, a view with which I wish more of his supporters could have concurred. I hope the House will understand that the fact that I intend to speak for only a few moments on this amendment in no way suggests that we do not think it important.

This last amendment is perhaps the last with which we shall have to deal in the passage of the Bill, and that is symbolic in its way, because it is about conscience. Conscience and the position of those who have conscience in dealing with matters of this kind are central to the amendment. We on this side believe—it is a matter of regret and surprise to us that the view is not universally held—that men and women should have the right to conscientious objection to joining trade unions, just as we have always granted the right of conscientious objection to people who did not wish to do military service even in time of war, even when the country's very life was at stake.

We are not in favour of free riders. We are not suggesting that people should be able to derive all the benefits of membership of a trade union without paying their dues. Lest any hon. Member opposite doubts the truth of that statement, I point out that when I was a working journalist on the Financial Times there was not a closed shop; one did not have to join a trade union. I voluntarily joined the National Union of Journalists. I am glad that I did so. I joined that union because I felt that it would be wrong to accept and receive all the benefits which membership of the union conferred upon me without paying my dues. The principle of not being in favour of free riders is absolutely clear. Britain has always respected the principle of freedom of conscience.

Of course, freedom of conscience for most people means religion. For most people when one talks in terms of freedom of conscience one means religion. People who have religions, especially in this modern age, are not the only people who have consciences. Humanists have consciences. Atheists have consciences. Agnostics have consciences.

Hon. Members

Tories have consciences.

Mr. Tugendhat

Tories have consciences, too. The regret is that the Labour Party, judging by the need for the amendment, is lacking in consciences. That is the pity. The hon. Member for Bedwellty (Mr. Kinnock) comes from a religious part of the country and no doubt does not appreciate that outside the valleys there are people who have consciences but do not go to his chapels. During the war, when the matter of conscientious objection was far more important perhaps than it is today, there were those people—not very many—who went before tribunals and were granted exemption from military service, after the most rigorous cross-examination by those who conducted these matters. We accept that there would be very few examples today of people, whether with religions or not, who would wish to seek to opt out of trade unions on grounds of conscience.

The way one judges a civilised society is surely by the way in which it treats its minorities. The fact that the hon. Member for Bedwellty, who is usually so charming and gracious in his dealings with the Opposition, finds it a matter of amusement that not wishing to join a trade union should be regarded as a ground for conscience demonstrates the difference between us. He believes that a person who is a member of a trade union is all right and that a person who has a conscience, however strange his beliefs may be, is a matter for laughter and derision. That is the kind of thing which many people find disagreeable.

Mr. Neil Kinnock (Bedwellty)

What I find frivolous is the comparison between the situation in which people have a conscientious objection to killing people or to participating in that and a conscientious objection to joining a trade union. The hon. Gentleman must recognise that there is a great difference between the degree of seriousness of the two situations.

Mr. Tugendhat

Of course I recognise the difference. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will widen his horizons. I have no conscience or inhibitions about killing cows. Millions of Hindus do. They may be foolish people. The hon. Gentlemen may think that they are good for a giggle. The fact of the matter is that they have a conscience about it. Others have a conscience about not taking off their turbans when riding motor cycles. Conscience can take many different forms. A sign of the civilised society is that it respects the form which conscience takes.

Mr. Greville Janner (Leicester, West)

Will the hon. Gentleman define the difference between a religious objection and a conscientious objection in the context of the examples he has just given?

Mr. Tugendhat

The difference between a religious objection and one that is not based on a religion is—

Mr. Greville Janner

A conscientious objection.

Mr. Tugendhat

The difference between a conscientious objection based on religious grounds and one not based on religious grounds may seem important to people who, like the hon. and learned Gentleman, subscribe to orthodox and accepted religions. But a conscientious objection based on people's humanistic or other beliefs is none the less strong. It is all very well to seek definitions from the precepts of ordinary religion, but we are talking of a small, limited number of people who have objections whether or not they are members of any religion.

It seems a tragedy that the trade union movement, with 10 million or 11 million members, and the Government cannot find it in their hearts to be generous to the small number of cases that would arise in these circumstances.

We recognise that every conceivable safeguard should be taken to ensure that a privilege of the kind that we are suggesting is not abused. We recognise that those who opt out of trade unions on the ground of religious or other conscientious objection should be required to pay money either to charity or in some other way so that they gain no possible financial advantage from doing so.

Mr. Ron Thomas

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that where, under the provisions of Section 24 of the Act, a tribunal may have to deal with these situations, it will be much easier for it to determine whether someone has a religious objection in the sense that he is a member of and attends a church than to have this rather nebulous concept which has all kinds of Freudian undertones about what is meant by "conscience"?

Mr. Tugendhat

I should not have thought that it was easier. I do not think that it is a good basis on which to make law to decide whether something is easy. Many things in life are rather difficult. But to say that it would be difficult to define something and, therefore, we should not legislate on it seems a remarkably frivolous way to deal with human rights. Many problems which come before the courts are extremely difficult. But the fact that matters are difficult has never in the past been regarded as a reason for not legislating on them or for the courts not trying to administer justice, difficult as that may be. If the law dealt only with easy problems, it would be a clumsy instrument, and injustice in the world would be increased.

After four or five interruptions in the space of a very few minutes, my speech has lasted longer than I had expected.

Mr. Clemitson

Will the hon. Gentleman explain why this time round the word being used is "conscience" rather than "any reasonable ground"? What is the reason for this change of heart on the part of the Opposition?

Mr. Tugendhat

I hesitate to delay the House a moment longer. First, it would not have been in order to put forward the same form of words, and, secondly, we have pressed the point about conscience on the Government several times this year and they have always turned a down. It seemed that if we could find a more appealing form of words, to quote the Secretary of State's phrase, it might find a chink of light in the obduracy with which the Government have confronted this matter.

I will not pursue the point any longer. I appeal to the Government at this late hour at the end of this long and tedious Bill to show some generosity to a small number of people—generosity to a minority. Surely the Government can concede that.

12.15 a.m.

Mr. David Madel (Bedfordshire, South)

I agree with my hon. Friend the Member for the City of London and Westminster, South (Mr. Tugendhat) that we should bring these matters to a conclusion quickly, but as I was not a member of the Committee I should like to put two or three brief points, the answers to which may make the amendment superfluous.

Like my hon. Friend, I believe that it is infinitely better if everybody joins a union, and it is to be encouraged as much as possible, especially in view of some of the Acts we have passed in the past two or three years.

On page 33 of the 1974 Act there is a provision about an employee's genuine objection to being a member of any union on grounds of religious belief … or on any reasonable grounds to being a member of a particular trade union". I should like to take up the word "particular", and underline why we have used the word "conscience" in our amendment.

I agree with my hon. Friend that we are not trying to have a mass exodus from unions, but I can think of three reasons why an individual may object to belonging to a particular union. Very often there may be no choice in the place of work other than the one union involved there. An individual may feel that in the past the union has not represented him or her properly in a claim against the employer for compensation for personal injury, for example. That may have happened five or 10 years ago, but the person may have felt so aggrieved that he no longer wished to belong to the union in question.

Secondly, a person could object to a union's attitude on certain international matters. With all the great argument about the EEC draft regulations from Brussels, and the general bringing together of trade unions in Western Europe, an individual may genuinely say that he cannot accept the attitude taken by the union to which he should belong.

Thirdly, he may feel that the union is not being vigorous enough in safety matters at his factory. At last we have on the statute book the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act, which puts many obligations on safety committees, individuals and management. That is another case where the word "particular" in the 1974 Act applies.

My hon. Friend has made a fair point. We are asking only for the slightest of concessions by the Government. I am sure that the feeling for natural justice within the trade union movement will allow people not to belong to unions on conscience grounds, but I hope that the Minister will answer the points I have raised.

Mr. Greville Janner

I do not accept that the Opposition are raising a conscientious objection. I do not accept that the amendment is conscientious or very small. It is very large. It is a means to open up a large chink in the closed shop principle, and in the main is deliberately moved not for reasons of conscience but out of dislike of the closed shop principle.

From the point of view of the law, which is what we are dealing with, it is a question not of generosity but of definition. All the examples given by the hon. Member for the City of London and Westminster, South (Mr. Tugendhat), such as the question of the turban, were of religious objections. The borderline between a religious objection and a conscientious objection is narrow, and extremely difficult to define.

The hon. Gentleman said that the law cannot merely deal with easy matters. That is true. But one does not put in a statute a word so vague as to be almost incapable of definition when there is a clear word there now.

Because I question the motives behind the amendment, its wording, and the results that it would bring about, I urge that in no circumstances should we agree to it.

Mr. Booth

The amendment would enable a person who is dismissed for not belonging to a closed shop union to receive compensation for unfair dismissal if that person were held to object on grounds of conscience to belonging to any union whatsoever.

I answer first the point raised by the hon. Member for Bedfordshire, South (Mr. Madel). As the hon. Gentleman correctly stated, the legal position is that under the 1974 legislation there was a provision which would enable anyone who on reasonable grounds objected to being a member of a union to be covered by the statutory unfair dismissal provisions of the First Schedule of the Act. The Bill removes that portion of the 1974 Act. The amendment seeks to put in its place a provision which one might regard as a narrower or wider provision, according to one's view about conscientious objection. Therefore, the objections which the hon. Gentleman suggested might have relating to a union—perhaps to the political policy of the union, or that it was not acting vigorously enough on particular matters—if they related only to one union—would no longer be valid even if the amendment were carried. Certainly they are not valid under the Bill as drafted.

Not only would the amendment be difficult to operate, but it is subject to an objection of principle. Let me deal first with the question of the protection of the individual that it envisages. The amendment does not prevent the person who conscientiously objects to belonging to any union from being dismissed. It does not give him the right to belong. It does not obtain a job for him in the pre-entry shop. It aims to provide him with compensation for being dismissed in particular circumstances.

There is an important distinction to be drawn between the religious objection and the conscientious objection to belonging to a trade union. The religious objection is identifiable. It is based usually on an interpretation of scripture, usually peculiar to a particular sect. Although religious belief is a subjective matter, it can be recognised objectively by non-believers.

Conscientious objection to belonging to a trade union would be a difficult matter for a tribunal to decide. I accept that that in itself is not a reason for rejecting the amendment. However, any criterion, test, principle or code which an individual might use for the purpose of deciding whether it was right or wrong for him as an individual freely to join a trade union could, in my opinion, be fairly held by a tribunal to be a conscientious objection.

That view is based on my consideration of the matter. I have no legal advice on it. But in the true and generally accepted meaning of the word "conscientious" in the English language one is talking about the tests which an individual uses to decide whether it is correct for him to engage in the action. Therefore, if he had a test of his own, if he erected his own criteria for saying whether it was right for him, he could rightly argue before a tribunal that that was a matter for conscience.

Whether one accepts that view or not—and I do not ascribe it to anyone other than myself—there is an objection of principle to the amendment. It cannot be right that the law should allow a closed shop agreement to exist lawfully and at the same time take away from an employer the right, in certain circumstances, to uphold that agreement without having to pay compensation for doing so.

On those grounds, I hope that the House will reject the amendment. However, that is not a complete solution. If we were doing no more than that, I should not be very proud of the legislation we seek to put on the statute book. In the amendments we have already made, and in the amendment moved by the Opposition which we have accepted in principle and will seek to embrace in the Bill, we have given a meaning to "union membership agreement" in our law which will be much more flexible and will allow individuals who negotiate for the purpose of forming closed shops not only to exclude individuals more readily but to tolerate the continuation in employment of someone who is outwith the provisions without, by doing so, rendering the union membership agreement invalid.

The majority of people who take decisions on whether to form a closed shop have very much in mind the difficulty of the individual with the objection. Many decisions of trade unionists against forming a closed shop are based on the knowledge that they have in their workplace people who have objections. To the extent that that is the case we have a partial explanation of why the majority of people in trade union organised establishments do not have a closed shop agreement. We have gone part of the way in the Bill to make provisions for the flexible agreement, for the individual to exist outwith an agreement without making it invalid.

We have gone part of the way to meet the difficulty of the conscientious objector, In rejecting the amendment I hope it will be understood that we are not rejecting the idea that people have conscientious objections. We are recognising that the right collectively to combine in the closed shop must put certain limitations on conscientious objection. For that reason I hope that the amendment will be either withdrawn or rejected.

Question put, That the amendment be made.

The House divided: Ayes 242. Noes 288.

Division No. 92.] AYES [12.27 a.m.
Adley, Robert Gray, Hamish Mudd, David
Aitken, Jonathan Grieve, Percy Neave, Alrey
Alison, Michael Griffiths, Eldon Nelson, Anthony
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Grist, Ian Neubert, Michael
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Grylls, Michael Newton, Tony
Awdry, Daniel Hall, Sir John Normanton, Tom
Baker, Kenneth Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Nott, John
Banks, Robert Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Onslow, Cranley
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) Hampson Dr Keith Oppenheim, Mrs Sally
Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) Harrison, Col Sir Harwood (Eye) Osborn, John
Benyon, W. Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss Page, John (Harrow West)
Berry, Hon Anthony Hastings, Stephen Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby)
Biffen, John Havers, Sir Michael Pardoe, John
Biggs-Davison, John Hayhoe, Barney Parkinson, Cecil
Blaker, Peter Heseltine, Michael Pattie, Geoffrey
Body, Richard Hicks, Robert Penhaligon, David
Boscawen, Hon Robert Higgins, Terence L. Percival, Ian
Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) Holland, Philip Peyton, Rt Hon John
Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) Hooson, Emlyn Pink, R. Bonner
Braine, Sir Bernard Hordern, Peter Price, David (Eastleigh)
Brittan, Leon Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Prior, Rt Hon James
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Howell, Ralph(North Norfolk) Raison, Timothy
Bryan, Sir Paul Howells, Geraint (Cardigan) Rathbone, Tim
Buchanan-Smith, Alick Hunt, John Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal)
Buck, Antony Hurd, Douglas Rees-Davies, W. R.
Budgen, Nick Hutchison, Michael Clark Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex)
Bulmer, Esmond Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon
Burden, F. A. James, David Ridley, Hon Nicholas
Carlisle, Mark Jessel, Toby Ridsdale, Julian
Carr, Rt Hon Robert Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead) Rifkind, Malcolm
Chalker, Mrs Lynda Jones, Arthur (Daventry) Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey
Channon, Paul Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW)
Churchill, W. S Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)
Clark, Alan (Plymouth. Sutton) Kershaw, Anthony Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight)
Clark, William (Croydon S) Kimball, Marcus Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey)
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) King, Evelyn (South Dorset) Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire)
Cockcroft, John King, Tom (Bridgwater) Royle, Sir Anthony
Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) Kitson, Sir Timothy Sainsbury, Tim
Cope, John Lamont, Norman Scott, Nicholas
Cordle, John H. Lane, David Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Cormack, Patrick Langford-Holt, Sir John Shaw, Michael (Scarborough)
Corrie, John Latham, Michael (Melton) Shelton, William (Streatham)
Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford) Lawrence, Ivan Shepherd, Colin
Dean, Paul (N Somerset) Lawson, Nigel Shersby, Michael
Dodsworth, Geoffrey Lester, Jim (Beeston) Silvester, Fred
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Sims, Roger
Drayson, Burnaby Lloyd, Ian Sinclair, Sir George
du Cann, Rt Hon Edward Loveridge, John Skeet, T. H. H.
Durant, Tony Luce, Richard Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Dykes, Hugh McAdden, Sir Stephen Smith, Dudley (Warwick)
Eden, Rt Hon Sir John Macfarlane, Neil Speed, Keith
Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) MacGregor, John Spence, John
Elliott, Sir William Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) Spicer, Jim (W Dorset)
Emery, Peter McNair-Wllson, M. (Newbury) Spicer, Michael (S Worcester)
Eyre, Reginald Madel, David Sproat, Iain
Fairbairn, Nicholas Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Stainton, Keith
Fairgrieve, Russell Marten, Neil Stanbrook, Ivor
Farr, John Mates, Michael Stanley, John
Finsberg, Geoffrey Mather, Carol Steel, David (Roxburgh)
Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Maude, Angus Steen, Anthony (Wavertree)
Fookes, Miss Janet Maudling, Rt Hon Reginald Stewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) Mawby, Ray Stokes, John
Fox, Marcus Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Tapsell, Peter
Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St) Mayhew, Patrick Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart)
Fry, Peter Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) Tebbit, Norman
Galbraith, Hon. T. G. D. Mills, Peter Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret
Gardiner, George (Reigate) Miscampbell, Norman Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S)
Gardner, Edward (S Fylde) Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Townsend, Cyril D.
Gilmour, Rt Hon Ian (Chesham) Moate, Roger Trotter, Neville
Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife) Monro, Hector Tugendhat, Christopher
Glyn Dr Alan Montgomery, Fergus van Straubenzee, W. R.
Goodhart, Philip Moore, John (Croydon C) Vaughan, Dr Gerard
Goodhew, Victor More, Jasper (Ludlow) Viggers, Peter
Goodlad, Alastair Morgan, Geraint Wakeham, John
Gorst, John Morgan-Giles, Rear-Admiral Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Gow, Ian (Eastbourne) Morris, Michael (Northampton S) Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester)
Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry) Morrison, Charles (Devizes) Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek
Grant, Anthony (Harrow C) Morrison, Peter (Chester) Wall, Patrick
Walters, Dennis Wiggin, Jerry TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Warren, Kenneth Winterton, Nicholas Mr. Adam Butler and
Weatherill, Bernard Wood, Rt Hon Richard Mr. Spencer Le Marchant.
Wells, John Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton)
Abse, Leo Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) Lewis, Arthur (Newham N)
Allaun, Frank Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) Lewis, Ron (Carlisle)
Anderson, Donald Evans John (Newton) Lipton, Marcus
Archer, Peter Ewing, Harry (Stirling) Litterick, Tom
Armstrong, Ernest Faulds, Andrew Loyden, Eddie
Ashley, Jack Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. Luard, Evan
Ashton, Joe Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Lyon, Alexander (York)
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) Fitt, Gerard (Belfast W) Lyons, Edward (Bradford W)
Atkinson Norman Flannery, Martin Mabon, Dr J. Dickson
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) McCartney, Hugh
Bain, Mrs Margaret Fletcher, Ted (Darlingon) McElhone, Frank
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Foot, Rt Hon Michael MacFarquhar, Roderick
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel Ford, Ben McGuire, Michael (Ince)
Bates, Alf Forrester, John Mackenzie, Gregor
Bean, R. E. Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) Mackintosh, John P.
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd) McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C)
Bennett, Andrew(Stockport N) Freeson, Reginald McNamara, Kevin
Bidwell, Sydney Garrett, John (Norwich S) Madden, Max
Bishop, E. S. Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) Magee, Bryan
Blenkinsop, Arthur George, Bruce Marks, Kenneth
Boardman, H. Gilbert, Dr John Marquand, David
Booth, Albert Ginsburg, David Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole)
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Golding, John Marshall, Jim (Leicester S)
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur Gould, Bryan Mason, Rt Hon Roy
Boyden, James (Bish Auck) Gourlay, Harry Meacher, Michael
Bradley, Tom Graham, Ted Mendelson, John
Bray, Dr Jeremy Grant John (Islington C) Mikardo, Ian
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Grocott, Bruce Millan, Bruce
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife) Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride)
Brown, Ronald (Hackney S) Hamling, William Miller, Mrs Millie (Ilford N)
Buchan, Norman Hardy, Peter Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen)
Buchanan, Richard Harper, Joseph Molloy, William
Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) Moonman, Eric
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Hart, Rt Hon Judith Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)
Campbell, Ian Hatton, Frank Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw)
Canavan, Dennis Hayman, Mrs Helene Moyle, Roland
Cant, R. B. Healey, Rt Hon Denis Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick
Carmichael, Neil Heffer, Eric S. Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King
Carter, Ray Henderson, Douglas Newens, Stanley
Carter-Jones, Lewis Hooley, Frank Noble, Mike
Cartwright, John Horam, John Ogden, Eric
Clemitson, Ivor Howell, Denis (B'ham, Sm H) O'Halloran, Michael
Cocks, Michael (Bristol S) Hoyle, Douglas (Nelson) O'Malley, Rt Hon Brian
Cohen, Stanley Huckfield, Les Orbach, Maurice
Coleman, Donald Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) Orme, Rt Hon Stanley
Concannon, J D Hughes, Mark (Durham) Ovenden, John
Conlan, Bernard Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N) Owen, Dr David
Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) Hughes, Roy (Newport) Padley, Walter
Corbett, Robin Hunter, Adam Palmer, Arthur
Cox, Thomas (Tooting) Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill) Park, George
Craigen, J. M. (Maryhill) Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford) Parry, Robert
Crawshaw, Richard Jackson, Colin (Brighouse) Pavitt, Laurie
Cronin, John Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) Pendry, Tom
Cryer, Bob Janner, Greville Perry, Ernest
Cunningham, G. (Islington S) Jay, Rt Hon Douglas Phipps, Dr Colin
Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh) Jeger, Mrs Lena Prescott, John
Dalyell, Tam Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Price C. (Lewisham W)
Davidson, Arthur John, Brynmor Price, William (Rugby)
Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) Johnson, James (Hull West) Radice, Giles
Davies, Denzil (Llanelli) Johnson, Walter (Derby S) Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S)
Davies, Ifor (Gower) Jones, Alec (Rhondda) Richardson, Miss Jo
Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) Jones, Barry (East Flint) Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Deakins, Eric Jones, Dan (Burnley) Roberts, Gwilym (Cannock)
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) Judd, Frank Robertson, John (Paisley)
Dell, Rt Hon Edmund Kaufman, Gerald Roderick, Caerwyn
Dempsey, James Kelley, Richard Rodgers, George (Chorley)
Doig, Peter Kerr, Russell Rodgers, William (Stockton)
Dormand, J. D. Kilroy-Silk, Robert Rooker, J. W.
Douglas-Mann, Bruce Kinnock, Neil Roper, John
Duffy, A. E. P. Lambie, David Rose, Paul B.
Dunn, James A. Lamborn, Harry Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilm'nock)
Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Lamond, James Rowlands, Ted
Eadie, Alex Latham, Arthur (Paddington) Ryman, John
Edelman, Maurice Leadbitter, Ted Sandelson, Neville
Edge, Geoff Lee, John Sedgemore, Brian
Selby, Harry
Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South)
Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne) Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW) White, James (Pollok)
Short, Rt Hon E. (Newcastle C) Thompson, George Whitehead, Phillip
Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) Thorne, Stan (Preston South) Whitlock, William
Sillars, James Tierney, Sydney Wigley, Dafydd
Silverman, Julius Tinn, James Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Skinner, Dennis Tomlinson, John Williams, Alan (Swansea W)
Small, William Torney, Tom Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Snape, Peter Urwin, T. W. Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford)
Spearing, Nigel Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V) Williams, W. T. (Warrington)
Spriggs, Leslie Walden, Brian (B'ham, L'dyw'd) Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Stallard, A. W. Walker, Harold (Doncaster) Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E)
Stewart, Donald (Western Isles) Walker, Terry (Kingswood) Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham) Ward, Michael Wise, Mrs Audrey
Stoddart, David Watkins, David Woodall, Alec
Stott, Roger Watkinson, John Woof, Robert
Strang, Gavin Watt, Hamish Wrigglesworth, Ian
Strauss, Rt Hon G. R. Weetch, Ken Young, David (Bolton E)
Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley Weitzman, David
Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W) Wellbeloved, James TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth) Welsh, Andrew Mr. James Hamilton and
Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E) White, Frank R. (Bury) Mr. John Ellis.

Question accordingly negatived.

Motion made, and Question, That the Bill be now read the Third time, put forthwith pursuant to Standing Order No. 56 (Third Reading):—

The House divided: Ayes 288, Noes 250.

Division No. 93.] AYES [12.38 a.m.
Abse, Leo Crawshaw, Richard Gourlay, Harry
Allaun, Frank Cronin, John Graham, Ted
Anderson, Donald Cryer, Bob Grant John (Islington C)
Archer, Peter Cunningham, G. (Islington S) Grocott, Bruce
Armstrong, Ernest Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh) Hamilton, James (Bothwell)
Ashley, Jack Dalyell, Tam Hamilton, W. W. (Central Fife)
Ashton, Joe Davidson, Arthur Hamling, William
Atkins, Ronald (Preslon N) Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) Hardy, Peter
Atkinson, Norman Davies, Denzil (Llanelli) Harper, Joseph
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Davies, Ifor (Gower) Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)
Bain, Mrs Margaret Davis, Clinton (Hackney C) Hart, Rt Hon Judith
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Deakins, Eric Hatton, Frank
Barnett, Rt Hon Joel Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) Hayman Mrs Helene
Bates, Alf Dell, Rt Hon Edmund Healey, Rt Hon Denis
Bean, R. E. Dempsey, James Heffer, Eric S.
Benn, Rt Hon Anthony Wedgwood Doig, Peter Henderson, Douglas
Bennett Andrew (Stockport N) Dormand, J. D. Hooley, Frank
Bidwell, Sydney Douglas-Mann, Bruce Horam, John
Bishop, E. S. Duffy, A. E. P. Howell, Denis (B'ham, Sm H)
Blenkinsop, Arthur Dunn, James A Hoyle, Douglas (Nelson)
Boardman, H. Dunwoody, Mrs Gwyneth Huckfield, Les
Booth, Albert Eadie, Alex Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey)
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Edelman, Maurice Hughes, Mark (Durham)
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur Edge, Geoff Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N)
Boyden, James (Bish Auck) Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) Hughes, Roy (Newport)
Bradley, Tom Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) Hunter, Adam
Bray, Dr Jeremy Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) Irvine, Rt Hon Sir A. (Edge Hill)
Brown, Hugh D. (Provan) Evans, Ioan (Aberdare) Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford)
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle W) Evans John (Newton) Jackson, Colin (Brighouse)
Brown, Ronald (Hackney S) Ewing, Harry (Stirling) Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln)
Buchan, Norman Ewing, Mrs Winifred (Moray) Janner, Greville
Buchanan, Richard Faulds, Andrew Jay, Rt Hon Douglas
Butler, Mrs Joyce (Wood Green) Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. Jeger, Mrs Lena
Callaghan, Jim (Middleton & P) Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Jenkins, Hugh (Pulney)
Campbell, Ian Fitt, Gerard (Belfast W) John, Brynmor
Canavan, Dennis Flannery, Martin Johnson, James (Hull West)
Cant, R. B. Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) Johnson, Walter (Derby S)
Carmichael, Neil Fletcher, Ted (Darlingon) Jones, Alec (Rhondda)
Carter, Ray Foot, Rt Hon Michael Jones, Barry (East Flint)
Carter-Jones, Lewis Ford, Ben Jones, Dan (Burnley)
Cartwright, John Forrester, John Judd, Frank
Clemitson, Ivor Fowler, Gerald (The Wrekin) Kaufman, Gerald
Cocks, Michael (Bristol S) Fraser, John (Lambeth, N'w'd)
Cohen, Stanley Freeson, Reginald Kelley, Richard
Coleman, Donald Garrett, John (Norwich S) Kerr, Russell
Concannon, J. D. Garrett, W. E. (Wallsend) Kilroy-Silk, Robert
Conlan, Bernard George, Bruce Kinnock, Neil
Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) Gilbert, Dr John Lambie, David
Corbett, Robin Ginsburg, David Lamborn, Harry
Cox, Thomas (Tooting) Golding, John Lamond, James
Craigen, J. M. (Maryhill) Gould, Bryan Latham, Arthur (Paddington)
Leadbitter, Ted Orme, Rt Hon Stanley Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Lee, John Ovenden, John Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)
Lestor, Miss Joan (Eton & Slough) Owen, Dr David Thomas, Dafydd (Merioneth)
Lewis, Arthur (Newham N) Padley, Walter Thomas, Mike (Newcastle E)
Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Palmer, Arthur Thomas, Ron (Bristol NW)
Lipton, Marcus Park, George Thompson, George
Litterick, Tom Parry, Robert Thorne, Stan (Preston South)
Loyden, Eddie Pendry, Tom Tierney, Sydney
Luard, Evan Perry, Ernest Tinn, James
Lyon, Alexander (York) Phipps, Dr Colin Tomlinson, John
Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) Prescott, John Torney, Tom
Mabon, Dr J. Dickson Price C. (Lewisham W) Urwin, T. W.
McCartney, Hugh Price, William (Rugby) Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)
McElhone, Frank Radice, Giles Walden, Brian (B'ham, L'dyw'd)
MacFarquhar, Roderick Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S) Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
McGuire, Michael (Ince) Richardson, Miss Jo Walker, Terry (Kingswood)
Mackenzie, Gregor Roberts, Albert (Normanton) Ward, Michael
Mackintosh, John P. Roberts. Gwilym (Cannock) Watkins, David
McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C) Robertson, John (Paisley) Watkinson, John
McNamara, Kevin Roderick, Caerwyn Watt, Hamish
Madden, Max Rodgers, George (Chorley) Weetch, Ken
Magee, Bryan Rodgers, William (Stockton) Weitzman, David
Marks, Kenneth Rooker, J. W. Wellbeloved, James
Marquand, David Roper, John Welsh, Andrew
Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Rose, Paul B. White, Frank R. (Bury)
Marshall, Jim (Leicester S) Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilm'nock) White, James (Pollok)
Mason, Rt Hon Roy Rowlands, Ted Whitehead, Phillip
Meacher, Michael Ryman, John Whitlock, William
Mendelson, John Sandelson, Neville Wigley, Dafydd
Mikardo, Ian Sedgemore, Brian Willey, Rt Hon Frederick
Millan, Bruce Selby, Harry Williams, Alan (Swansea W)
Miller, Dr M. S. (E Kilbride) Shaw, Arnold (Ilford South) Williams, Alan Lee (Hornch'ch)
Miller, Mrs Millie (Ilford N) Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-u-Lyne) Williams, Rt Hon Shirley (Hertford)
Mitchell, R. C. (Soton, Itchen) Short, Rt Hon E. (Newcastle C) Williams, W. T. (Warrington)
Molloy, William Silkin, Rt Hon John (Deptford) Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Moonman, Eric Sillars, James Wilson, Gordon (Dundee E)
Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) Silverman, Julius Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) Skinner, Dennis Wise, Mrs Audrey
Moyle, Roland Small, William Woodall, Alec
Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick Snape, Peter Woof, Robert
Murray, Rt Hon Ronald King Spearing, Nigel Wrigglesworth, Ian
Newens, Stanley Spriggs, Leslie Young, David (Bolton E)
Noble, Mike Stallard, A. W.
Ogden, Eric Stewart, Rt Hon M. (Fulham) TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
O'Halloran, Michael Stott, Roger Mr. David Stoddart and
O'Malley, Rt Hon Brian Strang, Gavin Mr. Laurie Pavitt.
Orbach, Maurice Strauss, Rt Hon G. R.
Adley, Robert Churchill, W. S. Fry, Peter
Aitken, Jonathan Clark, Alan (Plymouth, Sutton) Galbraith, Hon. T. G. D.
Alison, Michael Clark, William (Croydon S) Gardiner, George (Reigate)
Amery, Rt Hon Julian Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Gardner, Edward (S Fylde)
Atkins, Rt Hon H. (Spelthorne) Cockcroft, John Gilmour, Rt Hon Ian (Chesham)
Awdry, Daniel Cooke, Robert (Bristol W) Gilmour, Sir John (East Fife)
Baker, Kenneth Cope, John Glyn Dr Alan
Banks, Robert Cardle, John H. Goodhart, Philip
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torbay) Cormack, Patrick Goodhew, Victor
Bennett, Dr Reginald (Fareham) Corrie, John Goodlad, Alastair
Benyon, W. Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast E) Gorst, John
Berry, Hon Anthony Davies, Rt Hon J. (Knutsford)
Biffen, John Dean, Paul (N Somerset) Gow, Ian (Eastbourne)
Biggs-Davison, John Dodsworth, Geoffrey Gower, Sir Raymond (Barry)
Blaker, Peter Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James Grant, Anthony (Harrow C)
Body, Richard Drayson, Burnaby Gray, Hamish
Boscawen, Hon Robert du Cann, Rt Hon Edward Grieve, Percy
Bowden, A. (Brighton, Kemptown) Durant, Tony Griffiths, Eldon
Boyson, Dr Rhodes (Brent) Dykes, Hugh Grist, Ian
Bradford, Rev Robert Eden, Rt Hon Sir John Grylls, Michael
Braine, Sir Bernard Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Hall, Sir John
Brittan, Leon Elliott, Sir William Hall-Davis, A. G. F.
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Emery, Peter Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury)
Bryan, Sir Paul Eyre, Reginald Hampson, Dr Keith
Buchanan-Smith, Alick Fairbairn, Nicholas Harrison, Col Sir Harwood (Eye)
Buck, Antony Fairgrieve, Russell Harvie Anderson, Rt Hon Miss
Budgen, Nick Farr, John Hastings, Stephen
Bulmer, Esmond Finsberg, Geoffrey Havers, Sir Michael
Burden, F. A. Fisher, Sir Nigel Hayhoe, Barney
Carlisle, Mark Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Heselllne, Michael
Carr, Rt Hon Robert Fookes, Miss Janet Hicks, Robert
Carson, John Fowler, Norman (Sutton C'f'd) Higgins, Terence L.
Chalker, Mrs Lynda Fox, Marcus Holland, Philip
Channon, Paul Fraser, Rt Hon H. (Stafford & St) Hooson, Emlyn
Hordern, Peter Monro, Hector Shaw, Giles (Pudsey)
Howe, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Montgomery, Fergus Shaw, Michael (Scarborough)
Howell, Ralph(North Norfolk) Moore, John (Croydon C) Shelton, William (Streatham)
Hunt, John More, Jasper (Ludlow) Shepherd, Colin
Hurd Douglas Morgan, Geraint Shersby, Michael
Hutchison, Michael Clark Morgan-Giles, Rear-Admiral Silvester, Fred
Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Morris, Michael (Northampton S) Sims, Roger
James, David Morrison, Charles (Devizes) Sinclair, Sir George
Jessel, Toby Morrison, Peter (Chester) Skeet, T. H. H.
Johnson Smith, G. (E Grinstead) Mudd, David Smith, Cyril (Rochdale)
Jones, Arthur (Daventry) Neave, Airey Smith, Dudley (Warwick)
Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Nelson, Anthony Speed, Keith
Kellett-Bowman, Mrs Elaine Neubert, Michael Spence, John
Kershaw, Anthony Newton, Tony Spicer, Jim (W Dorset)
Kimball, Marcus Normanton, Tom Spicer, Michael (S Worcester)
King, Evelyn (South Dorset) Nott, John Sproat, Iain
King, Tom (Bridgwater) Onslow, Cranley Stainton, Keith
Kitson, Sir Timothy Oppenheim, Mrs Sally Stanbrook, Ivor
Lamont, Norman Osborn, John Stanley, John
Lane, David Page, John (Harrow West) Steel, David (Roxburgh)
Langford-Holt, Sir John Page, Rt Hon R. Graham (Crosby) Steen, Anthony (Wavertree)
Latham, Michael (Melton) Pardoe, John Stewart, Ian (Hitchin)
Lawrence, Ivan Parkinson, Cecil Stokes, John
Lawson, Nigel Pattie, Geoffrey Tapsell, Peter
Lester, Jim (Beeston) Penhaligon, David Taylor, Teddy (Cathcart)
Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Percival, Ian Tebbit, Norman
Lloyd, Ian Peyton, Rt Hon John Thatcher, Rt Hon Margaret
Loveridge, John Pink, R. Bonner Thomas, Rt Hon P. (Hendon S)
Luce, Richard Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch Townsend, Cyril D.
McAdden, Sir Stephen Price, David (Eastleigh) Trotter, Neville
McCusker, H. Prior, Rt Hon James Tugendhat, Christopher
Macfarlane, Neil Raison, Timothy van Straubenzee, W. R.
MacGregor, John Rathbone Vaughan, Dr Gerard
Macmillan, Rt Hon M. (Farnham) Rees, Peter (Dover & Deal) Viggers, Peter
McNair-Wilson, M. (Newbury) Rees-Davies, W. R. Wakeham, John
Madel, David Renton, Rt Hon Sir D. (Hunts) Walder, David (Clitheroe)
Marshall, Michael (Arundel) Renton, Tim (Mid-Sussex) Walker, Rt Hon P. (Worcester)
Marten, Neil Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon Walker-Smith, Rt Hon Sir Derek
Mates, Michael Ridley, Hon Nicholas Wall, Patrick
Mather, Carol Ridsdale, Julian Walters, Dennis
Maude, Angus Rifkind, Malcolm Warren, Kenneth
Maudling, Rt Hon Reginald Rippon, Rt Hon Geoffrey Weatherill, Bernard
Mawby, Ray Roberts, Michael (Cardiff NW) Wells, John
Maxwell-Hyslop, Robin Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) Wiggin, Jerry
Mayhew, Patrick Ross, Stephen (Isle of Wight) Winterton, Nicholas
Miller, Hal (Bromsgrove) Ross, William (Londonderry) Wood, Rt Hon Richard
Mills, Peter Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) Young, Sir G. (Ealing, Acton)
Miscampbell, Norman Rost, Peter (SE Derbyshire)
Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Royle, Sir Anthony TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Moate, Roger Sainsbury, Tim Mr. Adam Butler and
Molyneaux, James Scott, Nicholas Mr. Spencer Le Marchant.

Question accordingly agreed to.

Bill read the Third time and passed.

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