HC Deb 28 November 1974 vol 882 cc930-3

'The Secretary of State shall establish a tribunal independent of the police to review allegations of abuse by persons who have been detained under section 7 of this Act'.—[Mr. Prescott.]

Brought up, and read the First time.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Clause be read a Second time:—

The Committee divided: Ayes 61, Noes 193.

Division No. 18.] AYES [8.0 a.m.
Bales, Alf Bennett, Andrew (Stockport N) Callaghan, Jim (Mlddleton & P)
Bean, Robert E. Bidwell, Sydney Canavan, Dennis
Beith, A. J. Buchan, Norman Clemitson, I. M.
Colquhoun, Mrs Maureen Kilroy-Silk, Robert Rodgers, George (Chorley)
Cook, Robin F. (Edin C) Kinnock, Neil Rooker, J. W.
Cryer, Bob Lee, John Sedgemore, B.
Davies, Bryan (Enfield N) Litterick, Tom Short, Mrs Renée (Wolv NE)
Delargy, Hugh Loyden, Eddie Sillars, James
Edge, Geoffrey McElhone, Frank Skinner, Dennis
Edwards, Robert (Wolv SE) McNamara, Kevin Spearing, Nigel
Evans, Fred (Caerphilly) Madden, Max Stallard, A. W.
Fitt, Gerard (Belfast) Marshall, Jim (Leicester) Taylor, Mrs Ann (Bolton W)
Flannery, Martin Maynard, Miss Joan Thomas, Ronald (Bristol NW)
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Mendelson, John Thome, Stan (Preston)
Garrett, John (Norwich S) Mikardo, Ian Walker, Terry (Kingswood)
Hooley, Frank Miller, Mrs Millie (Redbridge) Watkinson, John
Hoyle, Douglas (Nelson) Newens, Stanley Wise, Mrs Audrey
Huckfield, Leslie Noble, Mike
Jackson, Miss Margaret (Lincoln) Ovenden, John TELLERS FOR THE AYES
Janner, Greville Parry, Robert Mr. John Prescott and
Jeger, Mrs Lena Richardson, Miss Jo Mr. Phillip Whitehead.
Kerr, Russell Roderick, Caerwyn
NOES
Anderson, Donald Fraser, John (Lambeth, N) Mellish. Rt Hon Robert
Archer, Peter Freeson, Reginald Millan, Bruce
Armstrong, Ernest George, Bruce Molloy, William
Ashley, Jack Gilbert, Dr John Molyneaux, James
Atkins, Ronald (Preston N) Ginsburg, David Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Glyn, Dr Alan Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw)
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Golding, John Morris, Rt Hon John (Aberavon)
Biffen, John Gould, Bryan Moyle, Roland
Bishop, Edward Gow, I. (Eastbourne) Mulley, Rt Hon Frederick
Blenkinsop, Arthur Graham, Ted Murray, Ronald King
Booth, Albert Grant, George (Morpeth) Ogden, Eric
Boothroyd, Miss Betty Grocott, Bruce O'Halloran, Michael
Bottomley, Rt Hon Arthur Hamilton, James (Bothwell) O'Malley, Brian
Boyden, James (Bish Auck) Hamling, William Orme Rt Hn Stanley
Bray, Dr Jeremy Hardy, Peter Owen, Dr David
Brotherton, Michael Harper, Joseph Paisley, Rev Ian
Brown, Hugh D. (Glasgow, Pr) Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) Palmer, Arthur
Brown, Robert C. (Newcastle) Hart, Rt Hon Judith Park, George
Buchanan, Richard Hatlon, Frank Parkinson, Cecil
Butler, Mrs Joyce (Haringey) Havers, Sir Michael Pavitt, Laurie
Campbell, Ian Hayman, Mrs Helene Peart, Rt Hon Fred
Cant, R. B. Heffer, Eric S. Pendry, Tom
Carmichael, Neil Horam, John Perry, Ernest
Carson, John Howell, Denis (B'ham, Sm H) Phipps, Dr Colin
Carter, Ray Hughes, Rt Hon C. (Anglesey) Powell, Rt Hon J. Enoch
Cartwright, John Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen N) Prentice, Rt Hon Reg
Cocks, Michael (Bristol S) Irving, Rt Hon S. (Dartford) Radice, Giles
Cohen, Stanley Jenkins, Hugh (Wandsworth) Rees, Rt Hon Merlyn (Leeds S)
Coleman, Donald Jenkins, Rt Hon Roy (B'ham, St) Rodgers, William (Teesside)
Conlan, Bernard John, Brynmor Roper, John
Cox, Thomas (Wands, Toot) Johnson, James (Kingston W) Ross, Rt Hon W. (Kilm'nock)
Craig, Rt Hon W. (Belfast) Johnson, Walter (Derby S) Ross, William (Londonderry)
Craigen, J. M. (Glasgow, M) Jones, Barry (East Flint) Rowlands, Ted
Crawshaw, Richard Jones, Dan (Burnley) Shore, Rt Hon Peter
Cunningham, G. (Islington S) Jones, Alec (Rhondda) Short, Rt Hon Edward (Newcastle C)
Cunningham, Dr J. (Whiteh) Joseph, Rt Hon Sir Keith Silkin, Rt Hn John (Lewish)
Dalyell, Tam Judd, Frank Silkin, Rt Hn S. C. (Southwk)
Davidson, Arthur Kaufman, Gerald Silverman, Julius
Davies, Denzil (Llanelli) Kilfedder, James Small, William
Davies, Ifor (Gower) Lambie, David Smith, John (N Lanarkshire)
Davis, S. Clinton (Hackney C) Lamborn, Harry Snape, Peter
Deakins, Eric Lamond, James Spriggs, Leslie
Dean, Joseph (Leeds West) Lane, David Stewart, Rt Hn Michael (H'smith, F)
de Freitas, Rt Hon Sir Geoffrey Lyons, Edward (Bradford W) Stoddart, David
Dell, Rt Hon Edmund Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Stott, Roger
Dempsey, James McCusker, Harold Strang, Gavin
Douglas-Mann, Bruce MacFarquhar, R. Summerskill, Hon Dr Shirley
Duffy, A. E. P. Mackenzie, Gregor Thomas, Mike (Newcastle)
Dunnett, Jack Maclennan, Robert Tierney, Sydney
Dunwoody, Mrs. Gwyneth Macmillan, Rt Hn M. (Farnham) Tinn, James
Eadie, Alex McMillan, Tom (Glasgow C.) Tomlinson, John
Ellis, John (Brigg & Scun) Magee, Bryan Varley, Rt Hon Eric G.
Ellis, Tom (Wrexham) Mahon, Simon Vaughan, Dr Gerard
English, Michael Mallalieu, J. P. W. Wainwright, Edwin (Dearne V)
Ennals, David Marks, Ken Walden, Brian (B'ham, L'dyw'd)
Evans, loan L. (Aberdare) Marquand, David Ward, Michael
Evans, John (Newton) Marshall, Dr Edmund (Goole) Weatherill, Bernard
Ewing, Harry (Stirling) Mason, Rt Hon Roy Weetch, Ken
Fernyhough, Rt Hon E. Mates, Michael Wellbeloved, James
Fitch, Alan (Wigan) Mayhew, Patrick White, Frank R. (Bury)
Forrester, John Meacher, Michael White, James (Glasgow, P)
Whitlock, William Wilson, William (Coventry SE)
Williams, Alan (Swansea) Woodall, Alec TELLERS FOB THE NOES
Williams, Alan, Lee (Haver'g) Woof, Robert Mr. James A. Dunn and
Williams, W. T. (Warrington) Wrigglesworth, lan Mr. J.D. Dormand.
Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton) Young, David (Bolton E)

Question accordingly negatived.

The Chairman

I understand that Amendment No. 51 will not be moved. We come, then, to Government amendment——

Mr. Fitt

On a point of order, Mr. Thomas. What about my Amendment No. 65?

The Chairman

Order. We are in danger of getting into a slightly Irish situation. The hon. Member for Belfast, West (Mr. Fitt) must wait until we get to Amendment No. 65.

Schedules I and 2 agreed to.

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