HC Deb 06 June 1972 vol 838 cc345-51

Amendments made: No. 62, in page 72, line 36, after first 'for'. Insert 'or collected in'.

No. 63, in page 73, line 7, leave out sub-paragraph (4) and insert: (4) In the following provisions of this Schedule 'tenant' includes, subject to paragraph 15(3C) below, a person treated as a tenant under this paragraph or paragraph 4 or 5 of Schedule 2 above.

No. 64, in line 17, after "allowance', insert: 'whether before or after their rebate scheme or allowance scheme comes into operation'.

No. 65, in line 28, leave out 'tenant of his' and insert 'applicant of the'

No. 66, in line 30, leave out 'in his and insert 'of'.

No. 67, in line 32, leave out 'tenant' and insert 'applicant'.

No. 68, in line 43, leave out 'tenant and of any spouse of the tenant' and insert: 'applicant and of any spouse of his'.

No. 69, in page 74, line 19, leave out 'and to paragraph 11(2) of this Schedule'.

No. 70, in page 75, line 3, leave out 'tenant' and insert 'applicant'.

No. 71, in line 5, leave out 'tenant' and insert 'applicant'.

No. 72, in line 38, leave out paragraph 7.

No.73, in line 45, at end insert: 8A. It shall not be the duty of an authority to alter a rebate or allowance under paragraph 5, 6 or 8 above if the alteration would be equal to or less than 20 new pence.

No. 74, in page 76, line 28, at end insert:


10A. Where— (a) the whole or part of a person's rent under a tenancy was inet by a rebate for the rental period immediately preceding that in which the rebate scheme under this Act of the authority who granted him that rebate comes into operation; and

(b) the terms on which the rebate was granted for that rental period are identical with those on which rebates are to be granted under the rebate scheme under this Act,

the authority may treat him, for all the purposes of this Schedule or Schedule 2 to this Act, as if he were a person to whom they had granted under this Act a rebate for the first rental period after the rebate scheme under this Act came into operation.

No. 75, in line 37, leave out sub paragraph (2).

No. 76, in page 77, line 22, at end insert: 'or in excess of the amount which is for the time being recoverable under Schedule 13 to the Act of 1971 or under Schedule 6 to this Act'.

No. 77, in page 78, line 19, at end insert: 'and if they alter or confirm it they shall notify the tenant in writing of their reasons for doing so'.—[Mr. Cordon Campbell.]

Amendment proposed: No. 79, in page 78, line 21, at end insert— (3A) When an authority determine to treatas the tenant, in pursuance of paragraph 5 of Schedule 2 above, a person who is not the tenant within the meaning of section 22 of this Act, it shall be their duty to notify of that determination both the person who will fall to be treated as the tenant as a result of the determination and the person who would have been considered eligible for a rebate or an allowance but for the determination. (3B) When an authority determine to treat as the tenant, in pursuance of paragraph 4 of Schedule 2 above or paragraph 1 of this Schedule, a person who is not the tenant or, as the case may be, not the sole tenant, within the meaning of section 22 of this Act, it shall be their duty to notify of that determination the person who will fall to be treated as the tenant as a result of it and to take such (if any) steps as they consider reasonable to notify of the determination the person or persons who would have been considered eligible for a rebate or an allowance but for the determination. (3C) The references to the tenant in sub-paragraphs (2) and (3) above shall accordingly be construed as including every person to whom sub-paragraph (3A) or (3B) above applies.—[Mr. Gordon Campbell.]

Question put, That the Amendment be made:—

The House divided: Ayes 256, Noes 228.

Division No. 202.] AYES [8.8 p.m.
Adley, Robert Atkins, Humphrey Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton
Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) Awdry, Daniel Bell, Ronald
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) Balniel, Rt. Hn. Lord Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay)
Amery, Rt. Hn. Julian Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony Benyon, W.
Astor, John Batsford, Brian Berry, Hn. Anthony
Biffen, John Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) Page, Rt. Hn. Graham (Crosby)
Biggs-Davison, John Haselhurst, Alan Page, John (Harrow, W.)
Blaker, Peter Havers, Michael Parkinson, Cecil
Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) Hawkins, Paul Percival, Ian
Body, Richard Hayhoe, Barney Pike, Miss Mervyn
Boscawen. Hn. Robert Hicks, Robert Pink, R. Bonner
Bossom, Sir Clive Hiley, Joseph Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch
Bowden, Andrew Hill, James (Southampton, Test) Price, David (Eastleigh)
Bray, Ronald Holland, Philip Prior, Rt. Hn. J. M. L.
Brewis, John Holt, Miss Mary Proudfoot, Wilfred
Brinton, Sir Tatton Hordern, Peter Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis
Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher Hornby, Richard Quennell, Miss J. M.
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) Hornsby-Smith.Rt.Hn.Dame Patricia Raison, Timothy
Bruce-Gardyne, J. Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate) Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James
Bryan, Sir Paul Howell, Ralph (Norfolk. N.) Redmond, Robert
Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus,N&M)
Buck, Antony Hunt, John Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.)
Burden, F. A. Hutchison, Michael Clark Rees, Peter (Dover)
Campbell, Rt.Hn.G.(Moray&Nairn) Iremonger, T. L. Renton, Rt. Hn. Sir David
Carlisle, Mark Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) Ridley, Hn. Nicholas
Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert James, David Ridsdale, Julian
Chapman, Sydney Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.)
Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher Jessel, Toby Roberts, Wyn (Conway)
Chichester-Clark, R. Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead) Rost, Peter
Churchill, W. S. Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith Russell, Sir Ronald
Clark, William (Surrey, E.) Kaberry, Sir Donald St. John-Stevas, Norman
Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) Kellett-Bowman, Mrs. Elaine Scott, Nicholas
Clegg, Walter Kershaw, Anthony Sharples, Richard
Cockeram, Eric Kilfedder, James Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby)
Cooke, Robert Kimball, Marcus Shelton, William (Clapham)
Coombs, Derek King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) Simeons, Charles
Corfield, Rt. Hn. Sir Frederick
Cormack, Patrick King, Tom (Bridgwater) Sinclair, Sir George
Costain, A. P. Kinsey, J. R. Skeet, T. H. H.
Crouch, David Kitson, Timothy Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington)
Crowder, F. P. Knight, Mrs. Jill Soref, Harold
Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) Knox, David Speed, Keith
d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry Lambton, Lord Spence, John
d'Avigdor-Goldsmid,Maj.-Gen.James Lamont, Norman Sproat, Iain
Dean, Paul Lane, David Stainton, Keith
Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. Langford-Holt, Sir John Stanbrook, Ivor
Dixon, Piers Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry Stewart-Smith, Geoffrey (Belper)
Drayson, G. B. Le Merchant, Spencer Stodart, Anthony (Edinburgh, W.)
du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M.
Dykes, Hugh Longden, Sir Gilbert Stokes, John
Eden, Sir John Loveridge, John Stuttaford, Dr. Tom
Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) Luce, R. N. Sutcliffe, John
Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) McAdden, Sir Stephen Tapsell, Peter
Emery, Peter MacArthur, Ian Taylor,Edward M.(G'gow,Cathcart)
Eyre, Reginald McLaren, Martin Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)
Farr, John Maclean, Sir Fitzroy Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.)
Fell, Anthony Macmillan,Rt.Hn.Maurice (Farnham) Tebbit, Norman
Fenner, Mrs. Peggy McNair-Wilson, Michael Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret
Fidler, Michael McNair-Wilson, Patrick (NewForest) Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth)
Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) Maddan, Martin Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.)
Fisher, Nigel (Surbiton) Madel, David Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.)
Fletcher-Cooke, Charles Marten, Neil Tilney, John
Fookes, Miss Janet Mather, Carol Trafford, Dr. Anthony
Fortescue, Tim Maude, Angus Trew, Peter
Fowler, Norman Mawby, Ray Tugendhat, Christopher
Fox, Marcus Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. Turton, Rt. Hn. Sir Robin
Fraser,Rt.Hn.Hugh(St'fford & Stone) Meyer, Sir Anthony van Straubenzee, W. R.
Galbraith, Hn. T. G. Mills, Peter (Torrington) Vaughan, Dr. Gerard
Gardner, Edward Miscampbell, Norman Waddington, David
Gibson-Watt, David Mitchell, Lt.-Col.C.(Aberdeenshire,W) Walker-Smith. Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) Ward, Dame Irene
Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) Moate, Roger Warren, Kenneth
Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B. Molyneaux, James Weatherill, Bernard
Goodhart, Philip Monks, Mrs. Connie Well, John (Maidstone)
Goodhew, Victor Monro, Hector White, Roger (Gravesend)
Gorst, John Montgomery. Fergus Wiggin, Jerry
Gower, Raymond More, Jasper Wilkinson, John
Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.) Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) Winterton, Nicholas
Green, Alan Morrison, Charles Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) Mudd, David Woodhouse, Hn. Christopher
Grylls, Michael Murton, Occar Woodnutt, Mark
Gummer, J. Selwyn Nabarro, Sir Gerald Worsley, Marcus
Gurden, Harold Neave, Airey Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R.
Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) Nicholls, Sir Harmar Younger, Hn. George
Hall, John (Wycombe) Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael
Hall-Davis, A. G. F. Normanton, Tom TELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) Onslow, Cranley Mr. Hamish Gray and
Hannam, John (Exeter) Owen, Idris (Stockport, N.) Mr. Michael Jopling.
Abse, Leo Grant, George (Morpeth) Oakes, Gordon
Albu, Austen Grant, John D. (Islington, E.) O'Halloran, Michael
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside) O'Malley, Brian
Archer, Peter (Rowley Regis) Griffiths, Will (Exchange) Oram, Bert
Armstrong, Ernest Hamilton, James (Bothwell) Orbach, Maurice
Ashley, Jack Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) Oswald, Thomas
Ashton, Joe Hamling, William Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth. Sutton)
Atkinson, Norman Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) Padley, Walter
Bagier, Gordon A. T. Hardy, Peter Paget, R. T.
Barnes, Michael Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) Palmer, Arthur
Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) Hattersley, Roy Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles
Baxter, William Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis Parker, John (Dagenham)
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood Hilton, W. S. Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange)
Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton) Horam, John Pavitt, Laurie
Bidwell, Sydney Howell, Denis (Small Heath) Pentland, Norman
Bishop, E. S. Huckfield, Leslie Perry, Ernest G.
Blenkinsop, Arthur Hughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey) Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg.
Boardman, H. (Leigh) Hughes, Mark (Durham) Prescott, John
Booth, Albert Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.) Price, J. T. (Westhoughton)
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur Hughes, Roy (Newport) Price, William (Rugby)
Bradley, Tom Hunter, Adam Probert, Arthur
Broughton, Sir Alfred Irvine,Rt.Hn.SirArthur (Edge Hill) Rankin, John
Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne,W.) Janner, Greville Reed, D. (Sedgefield)
Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.)
Brown, Ronald(Shoreditch & F'bury) John, Brynmor Rhodes, Geoffrey
Buchan, Norman Johnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.) Roberts, Albert (Normanton)
Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) Johnson, Walter (Derby, S.) Roberts, Rt.Hn.Goronwy (Caernarvon)
Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) Jones, Dan (Burnley) Robertson, John (Paisley)
Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James Jones,Rt.Hn.Sir Elwyn(W.Ham,S.) Roderick, CaerwynE.(Br'c'n&'R'dnor)
Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) Jones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen) Roper, John
Cant, R. B. Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.) Rose, Paul B.
Carmichael, Neil Kaufman, Gerald Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock)
Carter, Ray (Birmingh'm, Northfield) Kelley, Richard Rowlands, Ted
Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles) Lambie, David Sandelson, Neville
Clark, David (Colne Valley) Lamborn, Harry Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne)
Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) Lamond, James Shore,Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney)
Cohen, Stanley Lawson, George Short,Rt.Hn.Edward (N'c'tle-u-Tyne)
Concannon, J. D. Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)
Conlan, Bernard Leonard, Dick Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)
Corbet, Mrs. Freda Lestor, Miss Joan Sillars, James
Cox, Thomas (Wandsworlh, C.) Lever, Rt. Hn. Harold Silverman, Julius
Crawshaw, Richard Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.) Skinner, Dennis
Cronin, John Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) Smith, John (Lanarkshire, N.)
Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony Lipton, Marcus Spriggs, Leslie
Crossman, Rt. Hn. Richard Lomas, Kenneth Steel, David
Cunningham, G. (Islington, S.W.) Lyon, Alexander W. (York) Stoddart, David (Swindon)
Cunningham, Dr. J. A. (Whitehaven) Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John
Dalyell, Tam Mabon, Dr. J. Dlckson Strang, Gavin
Davies, Denzil (Llanelly) McBride, Neil Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Davies, Ifor (Gower) McCartney, Hugh Swain, Thomas
Davis, Terry ([...]romsgrove) McElhone, Frank Taverne, Dick
Deakins, Eric McGuire, Michael Thomas,Rt.Hn.George (Cardiff,W.)
de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey Mackenzie, Gregor Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery)
Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund Mackintosh, John P. Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.)
Dempsay, James Maclennan, Robert Tinn, James
Dormand, J. D. McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) Torney, Tom
Douglas-Mann, Bruce Mahon, Simon (Bootle) Urwin, T. W.
Driberg, Tom Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) Varley, Eric G.
Eadie, Alex Marks, Kenneth Wainwright, Edwin
Edwards, Robert (Bilston) Marsden, F. Walden, Brian (B'm'ham, All Saints)
Edwards, William (Merioneth) Marshall. Dr. Edmund Walker, Harold (Doncaster)
Ellis, Tom Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy Wallace, George
English, Michael Mayhew, Christopher Watkins, David
Evans, Fred Meacher, Michael Weitzman, David
Ewing, Harry Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert Wellbeloved, James
Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) Mendelson, John Wells, William (Walsall, N.)
Fletcher, Ted (Darlington) Mikardo, Ian White, James (Glasgow, Pollok)
Foot, Michael Millan, Bruce Whitehead, Phillip
Ford, Ben Miller, Dr. M. S. Whitlock, William
Forrester, John Milne, Edward Williams, W. T. (Warrington)
Fraser, John (Norwood) Mitchell, R. C. (S'hampton, Itchen) Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton)
Freeson, Reginald Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) Woof, Robert
Galpern, Sir Myer Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)
Garrett, W. E. Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) TELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Gilbert, Dr. John Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon) Mr. James A. Dunn and
Ginsburg, David (Dewsbury) Moyle, Roland Mr. Joseph Harper.
Gourlay, Harry Murray, Ronald King

Question accordingly agreed to.

Amendments made: No. 80, in page 78, line 33, leave out' are or have been in receipt of supplementary' and insert: 'may be entitled to receive supplementary benefit or are or have been in receipt of such'.

No. 81, in line 34, after 'been', insert 'or may be'.

No. 82, in line 36, leave out 'are or have been in receipt of supplementary' and insert: 'may be entitled to receive supplementary benefit or are or have been in receipt of such.'

No. 83, in page 79, line 31, leave out 'make' and insert 'grant'.

No. 84, in line 33, leave out 'make, or retain from making' and insert: 'grant, or refrain from granting'.

No. 85, in line 47, at end insert: (4A) Without prejudice to paragraph 16 above, the Secretary of State may give directions to authorities in general or any individual authority or description of authority requiring them in such cases and circumstances as may be specified in the direction to grant a rebate or allowance greater than, or less than, the amount required by or under their scheme, or to grant or refrain from granting, a rebate or allowance where the provisions of the scheme provide otherwise, and to pay to the Secretary of State such amount, to be estimated in such manner as may be so specified, as reflects any liability to give relief to the authority's tenants which is transferred in accordance with the directions from the authority to the Secretary of State.

No. 86, in line 50, leave out from 'amount' to 'above' in line 2 on page 80 and insert: 'which in the opinion of the Secretary of State represents the rebates or allowances which would have been granted but for any arrangements under sub-paragraph (4) or directions under sub-paragraph (4A)'.—[Mr. Gordon Campbell.]

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